Ozark Mafia Day Phase 2

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Anyone else down to just prematurely end this game and see the flip already? I'm probably pretty much gone as of tomorrow too. 
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Buddy Dieker gramps
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Please explain the need for me to claim
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1. Did Luna tell you outright that Roy Petty was town?
No. However, I think the current most likely theme split is Navarros vs. Else, which would make Roy Petty town. Even from a game theory standpoint, I think confirming a cop’s role once they claim and give their results was the purpose of my role.

2. Have you considered that it could be a counter to mafia using a fake character claim if they were given one?
While it could be possible some day in another game, it’s not here. ComputerNerd didn’t even use a fake claim. He just straight up claimed Roy Petty. You’d think he’d at least research a fake claim as mafia, but he was honest. Regardless of whether mafia was given a fake  claim or not, I don’t think they would use it on him. I think they would use it on a more experienced player who would be less likely to slip up.

3. What’s your justification for Russ as Emissary because I’ve never heard of this role.
Because on the show, Russ knew Roy was working for the FBI before more the major characters did. Roy lured him into a false relationship where eventually Russ let some secret slip and Roy revealed he was in the FBI to him and threatened to arrest Russ if he didn’t turn informant for Roy. The manipulative nature of Roy obviously doesn’t make him a good person but he’s not the main antagonist or even aligned with any of the big antagonists of the series. Just a guy who is trying to crack the crime code in the town. Even theme split wise FBI vs. Else makes no sense because there are only two FBI characters. I doubt there are two scum.
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The only way ComputeNerd could be mafia is if he’s telling the truth on his character but not on his character’s affiliation or role. Bam but based on theme analysis. I don’t think Roy Petty is mafia. What mafia role would one even give him? To me, every role that makes sense for this character is a town one.
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Bam but based on theme analysis. I don’t think Roy Petty is mafia
Disregard “bam”. I have no idea what I was typing incorrectly that my phone autocorrected to this
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Again, based on theme analysis m, I don’t see a way Roy Petty is scum.

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Again, based on theme analysis m,
Disregard the m. Wow I can’t type on my phone for shit.
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Please explain the need for me to claim
Cause we’re mass claiming?

And you asked this question after you claimed lol
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The only way ComputeNerd could be mafia is if he’s telling the truth on his character but not on his character’s affiliation or role. Bam but based on theme analysis. I don’t think Roy Petty is mafia. What mafia role would one even give him? To me, every role that makes sense for this character is a town one.
I’m just covering all the bases. Your theme theory could be wrong. You could also be scum and be CN’s mafia partner. Lots of theories where CN could be scum. Better to cover them than not
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On second thought, Marty could still be scum. Ruth wasn’t as loyal to him as I initially thought, according to further research.
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As for the your idea of me being scum with ComputerNerd, let’s just wait for ComputerNerd to hop on. If he has a guilty result, we lynch the guilty. He is confirmed cop and I confirmed town with him.
If he gets an innocent result we lynch someone else.
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Hey Sui, what is the relationship between Ruth Langmore and Marty Byrde?
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Marty is the first person who treated Ruth right and didn't double cross her, and trusted her with more responsibility enough that she was willing to side with Marty over her dad

lowkey "better father figure" vibes 
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I'm Sam Dermody, I'm a real estate agent so I can choose someone's house and I'm a Watcher

np1 I watched whiteflame, no one visited 
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also SPOILERS mharman ffs

also Roy isn't a "bad" guy but he's a fucked up sociopath who's just out to get off to catching criminals and advance his career… he will get his informants killed if he has to.

but yes I don't see how he'd be mafia under theme split. but just like something like Breaking Bad, there are no good people on this show 

well, more or less

Roy could be a LOT of roles btw, multifaceted character 
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godfather is an obvious scum role that easily fits him 

but I could come up with multiple scum roles and a dozen town 
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np1 I watched whiteflame, no one visited 
Why’d you watch Whiteflame?
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Also I just did some research. Gramps is a mafia-aligned role according to MafiaUniverse. 



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I am against this idea, but since my role is a passive role, I see no reason as to not claim since I don't have anything

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Lunatic is VERY much known for giving traditional roles for town/mafia as a town flavor. He did it in a game once with Popular. 

The question is, why would I fake claim something that I knew is scum affiliated according to that post
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Why didn't you SOP claim this?
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Why didn't you SOP claim this?
Cause I was told in previous games that Hated Townies should just keep their mouth shut for a few reasons:

I’m functionally a vanilla
Mafia can kill me at night thereby protecting town
Also cause L-1 hammer goes away at MYLO/LYLO
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I am against this idea, but since my role is a passive role, I see no reason as to not claim since I don't have anything
So you disagree with the principle but claim anyways? That makes no sense lol
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Lunatic is VERY much known for giving traditional roles for town/mafia as a town flavor. He did it in a game once with Popular. 
Popular isn’t inherently affiliated with either scum or town. It’s been used with both to my knowledge.

The question is, why would I fake claim something that I knew is scum affiliated according to that post
That’s WIFOM
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"Quit parking in the crippled spot. What you got ain't a disability, just poor fucking judgment."

Airmax- 1/6- Whiteflame
Sui_Generis- 1/6- iLikePie5

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And what is stopping a Gramps from doing as such?

So you disagree with the principle but claim anyways? That makes no sense lol
Here's what we'd do

1. We argue for 5 pages about why mass claiming is stupid and we cause the town to be discombulated and lose focus, leading to a mislynch of a townie because all the attraction is on us arguing about mass claiming

or the alternative

2. I believe that mass claiming is stupid, but I don't want to argue and clutter the DP with how our philsophies differ, and claim my character and role, which isn't a detriment to town
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Night Action Results:

I think everyone here knows I'm a Police, so I'll put that out there.

Second of all, I was roleblocked while trying to investigate someone, so the night action is void.


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Thank you.
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Mikal - Lean Town
iLikePie5 - Confirmed Town
Supadudz - Lean Scum
Badger - Lean Town
ComputerNerd - Town
Suigeneris - Town
Mharman - Town
Whiteflame - Null
Greyparrot - TP for sure
Airmax122 - Lean Scum


I’m willing to lynch anyone out of Max, Supa, WF. Let me know if you want me to explain any reads