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@Dr.Franklin
fair enough-if you believe in bull**** civic ideas like democracy.
Um...yes. Yes, I do. Its got its flaws, but its significantly less bad than every other form of government.
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@SirAnonymous
Well, LGBT people aren't in the habit of starting wars, conquering their neighbors, and murdering and imprisoning the opposition, so I think Putin may be just a bit worse than them.
Not my point at all. I share more ideological connections to Putin than Biden
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@SirAnonymous
Um...yes. Yes, I do. Its got its flaws, but its significantly less bad than every other form of government.
Well great for you
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@Dr.Franklin
so what? USA commits war crimes too.
Just because the US does bad things doesn't mean those same things aren't bad when Russia does them.
Russia is defending their interests against the gay west and I am all for it.
Russia isn't defending anything. Ukraine is not a threat to them in the slightest, and the one and only thing Russia needs to do to keep NATO from being a threat is to not invade other countries. Its interests are not being threatened by the West, and especially not by Ukraine.
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@ILikePie5
Only logical that Putin wouldn’t invade under Russian Stooge Trump
What is really funny is that the fervent followers of Biden also believe the "green energy investments" would have stopped Putin from achieving dominance in the region, when it objectively achieved the exact opposite. Gas prices are at a all time high along with demand. Germany gutted all the infrastructure for nuclear plants with no backups leading to a dire dependence on immediate energy.
It wouldn't surprise me at all that Russia has been planting seeds of misinformation about green energy to achieve the present day high prices and global dominance on Russian natural gas. And NATO knows this is all about Russian energy. Look at this article, Putin has NATO AND Biden by the balls.
There’s an elephant in the room. Since Thursday, when Russian troops stormed into Ukraine, the U.S., the E.U., and their allies have announced a raft of sanctions designed to hurt Russia’s economy and financial system, and make President Vladimir Putin reconsider his invasion. But measures targeting exports of oil and gas, which provided 36% of Russia’s national budget last year, are conspicuously absent from the public discussion.
Some Ukrainians are not happy. “We need real sanctions, not just some problems for Putin’s friends,” Ukrainian lawmaker Oleksiy Goncharenco said in a video posted to Twitter Thursday. “We need an embargo on Russian gas and oil because every barrel of Russian oil and every cubic meter of Russian gas is now full of the blood of Ukrainians.“
E.U. Commission president Ursula Von Der Leyen says the bloc will target Russia’s energy sector through an export ban preventing European companies sending technology to Russia that it needs to upgrade its refineries. And the U.S. Department of the Treasury says it will heavily restrict the ability of Gazprom, Russia’s state-owned energy conglomerate, to raise money for projects from the U.S. market. But so far, the call for restrictions or an embargo on Russian oil and gas, echoed Friday by Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky, feels far outside the realm of possibility.
It’s not hard to understand why. Western energy embargoes would be painful for Putin, but he wouldn’t feel their full effects for several years. In the short term—which is what counts during an invasion—Europe and the rest of the world have more to lose.
On average, the E.U. relies on Russia for 35% of its natural gas—though some countries are more dependent than others. Tensions over Ukraine have already worsened a European fuel-price crisis that began last year due to shortages as the world emerged from the pandemic. Right now in Europe, a megawatt hour of natural gas costs nearly ten times what it did a year ago.
Sanctions on Russian energy would push prices higher globally, and fears that they might be introduced have already had an impact: on Thursday natural gas prices spiked 51% in Europe, and crude oil—of which Russia is the world’s second largest exporter—hit a seven-year high of $105 a barrel. When those sanctions didn’t materialize later in the day, prices fell a little, and Russian gas flows through Ukraine to Europe actually increased.
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@SirAnonymous
Just because the US does bad things doesn't mean those same things aren't bad when Russia does them.
true, but supa is a neocon and fully supports gay american expansionism into the ME. The thing he wants to see more of are porn theaters in Kabul
Russia isn't defending anything. Ukraine is not a threat to them in the slightest, and the one and only thing Russia needs to do to keep NATO from being a threat is to not invade other countries. Its interests are not being threatened by the West, and especially not by Ukraine.
It is absolutely in the best interests of Russia to ensure Ukraine is out of NATO, to think otherwise is foolish.
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@ILikePie5
Putin clearly played Biden like a fiddle by getting him to decimate global oil production with his green new deals and causing prices to skyrocket. There's no way Putin could have pulled this off if there was not so much at stake with the scarce energy situation Biden caused along with his buddies in Germany.
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@Dr.Franklin
You want Russia to invade a country that is literally Orthodox Christian in nature, which is very anti LGBTQ+ which another of the same country. You make no sense. You want to kill millions of innocent lives that agree with your ideology to combat the west
So now you are anti American? But aren't you Conservative. Backpedalling 100
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@Dr.Franklin
Not my point at all. I share more ideological connections to Putin than Biden
I think this is the point you are missing. Dictatorship, invasion, and oppression aren't the unsavory tools being used by someone with an otherwise good ideology. They are Putin's ideology. Putin doesn't care about gay people or Christianity. He only uses them to curry favor with people on the right. If he can make some people feel like he's on their side, then that weakens the political will to oppose his real ideology: a base desire for power. It's said that when someone shows you who they really are, believe them. Right now, by invading Ukraine, Putin is showing you who he really is. He is exposing his true ideology of conquest and control for all to see. I would suggest believing him.
true, but supa is a neocon and fully supports gay american expansionism into the ME. The thing he wants to see more of are porn theaters in Kabul
The idea that Supa wants any of those things is hilarious. Now I'm imagining Supa waving a gay pride flag in front of a brothel in Kabul. The thought just tickles my sense of absurdity.
It is absolutely in the best interests of Russia to ensure Ukraine is out of NATO, to think otherwise is foolish.
Why? That's a genuine question. How does Ukraine being outside of NATO help Russia? NATO isn't opposed to Russia; they are only opposed to Russian aggression. All Putin has to do is not invade other countries, and NATO won't be a threat to him. Almost every country on the face of the planet seems to be able to do just fine without invading their neighbors. Consider what would happen if someone formed an alliance to oppose Zimbabwean aggression. It wouldn't do anything to hurt Zimbabwean interests at all, because Zimbabwe isn't aggressive. The same is true of Russia and NATO. I've repeated this several times, and I plan to keep repeating it: the one and only thing that Putin has to do to keep NATO from being a threat is to not invade other countries.
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@SirAnonymous
NATO fucking hates Russia with a burning passion right now. Stop pussyfooting.
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@RationalMadman
That may have something to do with the fact that Russia is currently invading Ukraine, and has been repeatedly threatening it for the past few years. Russia is not innocent in this, and NATO has not been the aggressor.
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@RationalMadman
As an aside, don't you believe in the Illuminati? Wouldn't that make this whole thing a sham anyway?
NATO fucking hates Russia with a burning passion right now.
Not enough to turn the fuel spigot off. 35% of NATO relies on Russia to keep the lights on. A problem made worse by green energy stooges.
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@Dr.Franklin
"Killing people and taking their land is acceptable, because it's my people doing the killing and taking."
- Doc, apparently
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@Vader
You want Russia to invade a country that is literally Orthodox Christian in nature, which is very anti LGBTQ+ which another of the same country. You make no sense. You want to kill millions of innocent lives that agree with your ideology to combat the west
You realize Zelensky is pro-abortion and pro-LGTBT right?
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@Greyparrot
It's videos of Biden speaking. I don't blame you for ignoring Biden right now.
I’m not ignoring Biden, I’m ignoring your nonsense. This is a debate site, if you can’t be bothered to make a coherent point or at the very least explain what it is your videos are supposed to prove then Im not going to waste my time watching them. That’s common sense, unless it makes you feel good to tell yourself I’m running scared from your intimidating intellect, in which case go on and delude yourself if that’s what you need.
Do you actually have the courage to listen to Biden speeches without vomiting?
I have the courage to state clearly what I believe and defend it. I’m waiting for you to show the same.
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@Greyparrot
What is really funny is that the fervent followers of Biden also believe the "green energy investments" would have stopped Putin from achieving dominance in the region, when it objectively achieved the exact opposite. Gas prices are at a all time high along with demand.
Crazy how US investments in green energy caused a global spike in gas prices…
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@Dr.Franklin
So what? USA commits war crimes too
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
Because if you say it's bad, I agree but let me just point out that Putin thinks you're full of shit.
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@Double_R
his is a debate site, if you can’t be bothered to make a coherent point or at the very least explain what it is your videos are supposed to prove then Im not going to waste my time watching them. That’s common sense, unless it makes you feel good to tell yourself I’m running scared from your intimidating intellect, in which case go on and delude yourself if that’s what you need.
These are not my points. They are Biden's points. If you don't want to address the points Biden made about minor incursions, then you have no reason to be upset about the consequences of Biden's actions that directly led to the invasion of Ukraine.
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@Double_R
Crazy how US investments in green energy caused a global spike in gas prices…
Most of the investments and subsidies to green energy relied on crushing the competition of green energy, namely pipelines and oil leases. It's an objective fact USA increased oil imports under Biden. It's also an objective fact NATO relies on Russia to supply 35% of their energy needs. There isn't much to debate about it.
Another objective point is this video that hasn't aged well.
A Biden administration laughing out loud publicly at the notion that the USA has no plan to increase oil and gas production is the main reason why Putin has so much leverage right now.
Notice that he asked what she planned to do to increase US energy production. She laughed and responded as if she had been asked how to bring down prices and said she has no control over global oil prices. She did not answer the question. And she could have answered the question easily by saying that she would immediately reinstate the Keystone pipeline, allow fracking on federal land, open ANWR, demand that banks increase loans for oil drilling, and allow an increase in exploration and drilling on federal land.
She said the Biden administration wasn’t interested in helping us get cheap gas and they would only be investing in ‘renewables’ for a long term strategy. So in the short term, this has levied a cost to all Americans who use fuel and has also cost Ukraine the Donbass.
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@SirAnonymous
Corruption is not a sham, neither was any colonialism of the past. Stop trying to strawman. A sham is what skeptics say the corrupt elite are. Call them Illumimati, call them sections of corruption united by their greed and rage, it is irrelevant. China and Russia did not magically have coinciding goals acting at the same time. Putin being one of the only/few world leaders to attend the Winter Olympics in Beijing is not a coincidence. Open your eyes and do more studying before strawmanning conspiracy theories.
I think it kinda funny how the majority pf people think this whole thing is about the freedom of the common man in Ukraine. This is, what is tantamount to a mafia take over of the largest money laundering enterprise in the world. Follow the money. All Putin is doing and saying is, if you corrupt politicians in the world want to use the Ukraine to launder all the tax dollars you are stealing from your citizens, you are gonna have to go thru me now. This has nothing to do with the people of Ukraine or their interests. This is about toppling one corrupt Oligarchy to replace it with another one. All the key players vying for position don't give a shit about the people in Ukraine. Biden could care less about those people. He's worried about losing his interests and ability to launder money thru the Ukraine oil business. Then there are all those bio labs that are funded by the US military. God knows how much money is laundered thru those.
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@Dr.Franklin
but supa is a neocon and fully supports gay american expansionism into the ME
Keep using your strawman's to defend your outright stupid take that you make. I don't believe that being gay is OK, but it is not my place to judge. You are justifying going to war with a whole country because Russia agrees with your ideals and you agree with killing innocent people so you can be victorious. No ideology or belief can defend killing people unless you are that of a certain country in the 1940s called Nazi Germany. No matter what, gay or straight, people shouldn't die
The idea that Supa wants any of those things is hilarious. Now I'm imagining Supa waving a gay pride flag in front of a brothel in Kabul. The thought just tickles my sense of absurdity.
Lmao
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@Double_R
When Putin invaded Crimea Trump blamed Obama, not Putin. When Putin launched a cyber attack against the US, Trump took Putin’s denials over the unanimous conclusions of US intelligence. But Trump is the one Putin is afraid of. Ok bro.
Terrified, I am sure. Who wouldn't be afraid of someone that says they would handle a confrontation with you like this?
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@SirAnonymous
I never said NATO is the aggressor.
"Wouldn't it be a hoot if Trump was the distraction and Putin drains the swamp"
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@RationalMadman
Corruption is not a sham, neither was any colonialism of the past.
Agreed.
Stop trying to strawman.
I wasn't trying to strawman. I don't mean to offend, but conspiracy theories (no offense meant by the term either) are often nebulous and poorly defined. I've never seen anyone who believes in the Illuminati really try to explain how much power it does and doesn't have. If there is an organization that controls world politics, then it seemed to me a reasonable implication would be that the majority of world politics, wars included, would be a sham.
China and Russia did not magically have coinciding goals acting at the same time. Putin being one of the only/few world leaders to attend the Winter Olympics in Beijing is not a coincidence.
Of course it's not a coincidence. It mutually benefits them to pretend the other's actions are legitimate and justified. There doesn't need to be a worldwide conspiracy to explain that.
Open your eyes and do more studying before strawmanning conspiracy theories.
While I find conspiracy theories entertaining, I confess that the Illuminati is not one I've studied. I have examined the 2020 election and anti-vax conspiracies, and I have extensively studied the moon hoax and flat earth conspiracies, but the Illuminati is not one I've looked into that much. If you want to explain it further, by all means go ahead. I almost certainly won't agree, but it would be quite interesting.
I never said NATO is the aggressor.
Okay.
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@Double_R
When Putin invaded Crimea Trump blamed Obama, not Putin.
Why would he blame Putin if Obama asked him to do it just like Biden did? Or are you going to troll this entire thread pretending Biden didn't tell Putin he could have a "minor incursion"
To date: no sanctions on Putin. Zero sanctions on Russian Oil.
In fact, Biden has objectively instated more sanctions on American Oil than Russian Oil. Who is the puppet here?
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@Greyparrot
To date: no sanctions on Putin. Zero sanctions on Russian Oil.
They just announced sanctions on Putin today