Ukraine rightfully Belongs to Russia

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It was literally the first Russian territory. The parts of Ukraine that Putin recognized as independent territories, literally formed a revolution against the Ukraine, because they felt more Russian than Ukranian, which makes sense because that portion of Ukraine is Russian speaking Russian people.

America literally wants to kvetch about Russia taking back a russian territory of russian speakers and russians. This is all about a port the want to deny Russia that literally has zero effect on the United STates despite being a minor strategic asset to Russia.

Here is why sanctions will be lifted. Europe is dependent on Russian oil, and they are literally unaffected by this Ukranian conflict and have no business in it.

I advise everyone to invest in bluechip crypto tokens immediately, because the crypto market has seen major losses due to an over reaction of Biden threatening to regulate it, and further false decline due to the russian effort to liberate the Ukraine. These sanctions will also force Russian billionaires to flood the crypto market with their money. We'll see bitcoin at 100k before end of year.

It should also be pointed out that Ukraine has a puppet government. It's literally a guy that used to play the president on a television show and they thought he played the part so well, they would artificially place him as the president. If you ever want to see if a government has a puppet leader, always look at acting credentials first, followed by the relationships the individual has to other governments.

Also if a government is 90% Jewish like the Ukranian one, but 00.2% of the population is Jews, it's pretty obvious what is going on as well. Putin literally only wanted the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine that wanted their independence, but I am glad the Ukranian government's reaction has made him consider liberating all of the Ukraine.

Think about this, if Ukraine was legitimately in the right here, why has the press been just making bite sized headlines with very little intellectual depth, instead of making deep arguments for why Ukraine should be supported?
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Why should we even care tbh. Until he messes with NATO or a country allied with the US, he can do whatever he wants
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Ukraine refused to join Nato, so really their own fault, but we should pull out of nato anyway. The founders wanted us to be isolationist. Spreading democracy is just code for imperialism and is highly unethical, if these people in other countries wanted democracy, they'd have it
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Ukraine refused to join Nato, so really their own fault, but we should pull out of nato anyway. The founders wanted us to be isolationist. Spreading democracy is just code for imperialism and is highly unethical, if these people in other countries wanted democracy, they'd have it 
When’s you start reading the Gospel lol
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In North America rightfully belongs to the natives in South America rightly belongs to the natives. In Canada should just let French speaking Ontario do its thing. This is such bull crap. Things are established now the way they're established the Ukraine has borders Russia has to respect those borders. The fact that you think it's okay for innocent people to die so Vladimir Putin has a bigger area to piss in it's absolutely ridiculous. Again the Kenyan UN representative sums it up better than  I can 
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This isn't an argument that the first people occupying it are the rightful owners. The Dunbar region is russian speaking and russian ethnically. The majority want to be russian and have revolted against the Ukraine.

Putin has merely recognized them as independent states and when Ukraine attacked these independent nation states, then Russia stepped in to defend these tiny nations. It should be noted, that Putin has no interest in the majority of the Ukraine which is not ethnically Russian and do not speak Russian.

Nice try, but stupid argument on your part and does little to address any of this
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Well I already knew you were a far-right poser who pretends to be libertarian, this just confirms it.
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Ukraine refysed to join NATO because they agrees to dosarm themselves of all nuclear warheads in 1997 as long as Russia recognised them as a sovereign state.

Study history before talking shit.
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 if these people in other countries wanted democracy, they'd have it
Ukrainians have democracy, genius. It is what Putin cannot stand.
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Ukrainians speak Ukrainian, they are not a Russian territory. I literally cannot put into words the degree of BS in your post. It is like typing the opposite of truth over and over to build a nonsense case.
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There is a small Eastern portion that I could see splitting off into Russia because they speak Russian (~29%), some of whom are ethnically Russian(~17%). Most of the country does not speak Russian nor are they ethnically Russian

Don’t guzzle the propaganda (semen) spewing from Putin’s mouth (wiener)
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It was literally the first Russian territory.
Kiev is one of the oldest cities in Eastern Europe- old than Moscow or St. Petersburg by centuries.   Kiev was an established Slavic city-state when the Varangians were still seasonal traders.  Those Rus people learned their Cyrillic letters from Ukrainians.  Those Vikings became Eastern Orthodox Christians because Ukrainians baptized them. Russian culture is a younger sub-culture of Ukrainian culture.

The parts of Ukraine that Putin recognized as independent territories, literally formed a revolution against the Ukraine, because they felt more Russian than Ukranian, which makes sense because that portion of Ukraine is Russian speaking Russian people.
  • Better than 85% of Russians in the Donbass are recent immigrants, arriving after three major genocides of the native Khazars and Ukrainians in the '30's and '40's, two of those genocides perpetrated by Russians.   The ethnic Russians popularly supported the 1991 Declaration of Independence from Russia but in Soviet times, the Russians were a privileged minority before Independence and so equality meant some decline for that group.  Still, ethic Russians have  always had the option of returning to their native country and we should agree that  seeking the advantages of return to a less equal society is not a quality to be admired or justified in any demographic group, recently immigrated or not.
Also if a government is 90% Jewish like the Ukranian one, but 00.2% of the population is Jews, it's pretty obvious what is going on as well. 
yeah, yeah- seig heil, etc.  

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If the logic of your argument is based solely upon language.

The U.S is English speaking.

So I own you.


And the Spanish and the Portuguese own most of Central and Southern America.

France and the U.K. jointly own Canada.

We also own Australia and New Zealand.

Etc Etc.


Though if I own you, I think that I will gift you to Mr Putin.



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Just so you are aware, it is offensive to spell its as Kiev, that is the Russian spelling. Kyiv is the Ukranian spelling.
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It's like typing the opposite of truth.

Trump supporter then.
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Ukrainians speak Ukrainian, they are not a Russian territory. I literally cannot put into words the degree of BS in your post. It is like typing the opposite of truth over and over to build a nonsense case.
check out the russian speakers in dunkirk, the region being fought over. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Geographical_distribution_of_Russian_speakers
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Better than 85% of Russians in the Donbass are recent immigrants, arriving after three major genocides of the native Khazars and Ukrainians in the '30's and '40's, two of those genocides perpetrated by Russians.   The ethnic Russians popularly supported the 1991 Declaration of Independence from Russia but in Soviet times, the Russians were a privileged minority before Independence and so equality meant some decline for that group.  Still, ethic Russians have  always had the option of returning to their native country and we should agree that  seeking the advantages of return to a less equal society is not a quality to be admired or justified in any demographic group, recently immigrated or not.
explain why Russia is so popularly supported that the region is supporting rebel fighters even before the Russian's coming to liberate the region.

Also if a government is 90% Jewish like the Ukranian one, but 00.2% of the population is Jews, it's pretty obvious what is going on as well. 
yeah, yeah- seig heil, etc.  

Okay, NPC. We can't ask questions like why is .02% of the population, representing 90% of the power structure. Noticing coincidences is racist. How about address the point, if this were any other group besides Jews, you wouldn't hesitate to call it out. Imagine if the Ukraine government was primarily people of Chinese descent.

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explain why Russia is so popularly supported that the region is supporting rebel fighters even before the Russian's coming to liberate the region.
The price of coal crashed. Lots of first generation Russian immigrants.

. We can't ask questions like why is .02% of the population, representing 90% of the power structure.
Well the statistic is ridiculously fake so the only reason to ask the question is if you hope to be Putin's butt boy some day.  Jawohl!
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There is 45 million people in the ukraine. Estimates on the Jewish population for whatever reason and depending who is doing the analysis is at best 300k, but some estimates have the population as low as 50k .

Even the best estimate has them as a minority of the population that control most of the government suspiciously enough.
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There is 45 million people in the ukraine. Estimates on the Jewish population for whatever reason and depending who is doing the analysis is at best 300k, but some estimates have the population as low as 50k .

Even the best estimate has them as a minority of the population that control most of the government suspiciously enough.
Don't be such  a fool.  Obviously the fake news your are propagating is that Jews make up 90% of Ukrainian power structures.  Particularly when Big Brother Putin has instructed you to believe they are all NAZIs now.
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In Canada should just let French speaking Ontario do its thing.
They did but the referendum failed
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maybe so, both countries speak virtually the same language and enjoy the same history but both Putin and Ukraine are wrong in this war. Ukraine is a cia puppet state and is deeply corrupt while Putin is asiatic and sending muslim Chechens over to kill Ukrainian whites. Not to mention he is in bed with klaus schwab

white Europeans die while Putin and the Globalist American Empire reap the benefits of war
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Putin has no interest in the majority of the Ukraine which is not ethnically Russian and do not speak Russian.


Ah yes, that's why he invaded it of course...


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  Particularly when Big Brother Putin has instructed you to believe they are all NAZIs now.
I think putin is claiming because of the genocides of ethnic russians, not because of the fact they are Jews. Putin is a zionist as well, so he isn't going to bring up Jewish stuff
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Putin is asiatic and sending muslim Chechens over to kill Ukrainian whites
I noticed this as well, he is sending the portion of the population he has the most problems with, and not risking the lives of real russians
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Ah yes, that's why he invaded it of course...
he recognized the seperatist regions as their own independent states, Ukraine attacked the seperatist regions, so it seems the invasion is merely to save lives, and once he disposes of the current regime, he'll let the people vote on new leaders and allow ukraine independence
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It was literally the first Russian territory.[1] The parts of Ukraine that Putin recognized as independent territories, literally formed a revolution against the Ukraine, because they felt more Russian than Ukranian, which makes sense because that portion of Ukraine is Russian speaking Russian people.[2]

America literally wants to kvetch about Russia taking back a russian territory of russian speakers and russians. This is all about a port the want to deny Russia that literally has zero effect on the United STates despite being a minor strategic asset to Russia.[3]

Here is why sanctions will be lifted. Europe is dependent on Russian oil, and they are literally unaffected by this Ukranian conflict and have no business in it.[4]

I advise everyone to invest in bluechip crypto tokens immediately, because the crypto market has seen major losses due to an over reaction of Biden threatening to regulate it, and further false decline due to the russian effort to liberate the Ukraine.[5] These sanctions will also force Russian billionaires to flood the crypto market with their money. We'll see bitcoin at 100k before end of year.

It should also be pointed out that Ukraine has a puppet government.[6] It's literally a guy that used to play the president on a television show and they thought he played the part so well, they would artificially place him as the president.[7] If you ever want to see if a government has a puppet leader, always look at acting credentials first, followed by the relationships the individual has to other governments.[8]

Also if a government is 90% Jewish like the Ukranian one, but 00.2% of the population is Jews, it's pretty obvious what is going on as well.[9] Putin literally only wanted the Russian speaking parts of Ukraine that wanted their independence,[10] but I am glad the Ukranian government's reaction has made him consider liberating all of the Ukraine.[11]

Think about this, if Ukraine was legitimately in the right here, why has the press been just making bite sized headlines with very little intellectual depth, instead of making deep arguments for why Ukraine should be supported?[12]
[1] Many of today's countries were at some point in history part of a different kingdom or empire. That does not imply they are today.
Ukraine exists as an independent nation since 1991.
[2] Prior the famine organised by Stalin in the early 1930s, ethnic Ukranians outnumberd ethnic Russians in Donbass.
After Ukraine had been 'liberated' again, this time by the Soviet Union, it was payback time for their support to Germany.
[3] America's desires are no justification for invasion. That Bob wants something that does not suit Alice, does not justify Alice bullying Bob, let alone bullying Paul.
[4] It is easy to make a prediction without time frame. When will sanctions be lifted ?
Europe is affected obviously. Many eastern European countries feel threatened by Russia.
[5] Russia is attempting to conquer Ukraine, not liberate it.
[6] Personally, I am against pointing out falsehoods without pointing out their falseness.
[7] What evidence can you present to support that claim ? Volodymyr Zelenski was convincingly reelected in 2019.
[8] Was Ronald Reagan a puppet leader ? If so, who was the puppet master ?
[9] Please present a credible source supporting that 90% of Ukraine's government consists of Jews.
Russia allegedly invades Ukraine to denazify it. How can a goverment of Jews be a Nazi government ?
[10] Can you prove that is indeed all Putin wanted ?
[11] I am sad a brutal dictator has decided to conquer half of Ukraine and to overthrow a democraticly elected government.
[12] That may be all you have been reading, but there a sources with longer articles than Twitter.
If a bully bullies someone, is an argument for supporting the victim required ?

Why should we even care tbh. Until he messes with NATO or a country allied with the US, he can do whatever he wants.
You Americans should care because Ukraine is a Western ally. It may not be for long anymore.
Russia is a systemic adversary of the USA. Letting systemic adversaries violate your interests, will encourage them to continue at your expense.
The USA has a reputation of abandoning allies. Abandoning Ukraine will strengthen that reputation.
The West is in part responsible for the crisis, among other reasons by putting Ukraine long in the waiting chamber for joining NATO.

Ukraine refused to join Nato,[13] so really their own fault, but we should pull out of nato anyway. The founders wanted us to be isolationist.[14] Spreading democracy is just code for imperialism and is highly unethical,[15] if these people in other countries wanted democracy, they'd have it [16]
[13] What is your source for that information ?
[14] What the founders wanted is irrelevant. What the current population wants is relevant.
[15] Is that a fact or just your personal opinion ?
[16] Why is that ?

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This isn't an argument that the first people occupying it are the rightful owners. The Dunbar region is russian speaking and russian ethnically. The majority want to be russian and have revolted against the Ukraine.[17]

Putin has merely recognized them as independent states [18] and when Ukraine attacked these independent nation states, then Russia stepped in to defend these tiny nations.[19] It should be noted, that Putin has no interest in the majority of the Ukraine which is not ethnically Russian and do not speak Russian.[20]

Nice try, but stupid argument on your part and does little to address any of this [21]
[17] Learn history before you repeat its mistakes. The League Nations focussed on the protection of minorities. Nazi Germany used that as an excuse to grab some territory. The United Nations learned from that mistake. History however has several examples of regions where a population with an original majority is dominated by foreigners who have acquired a majority by force.
[18] That was in violation of international law and he has done more than that.
[19] So you baldly assert, but can you prove Ukraine attacked these independent states ?
[20] What evidence can you present to support that claim ?
[21] Read who is writing.

Dr.Franklin 23 to incel-chud :
maybe so, both countries speak virtually the same language and enjoy the same history but both Putin and Ukraine are wrong in this war. Ukraine is a cia puppet state and is deeply corrupt [22] while Putin is asiatic and sending muslim Chechens over to kill Ukrainian whites. Not to mention he is in bed with klaus schwab

white Europeans die while Putin and the Globalist American Empire reap the benefits of war [23]
[22] Please present a credible source for that information.
[23] This war is bad for Putin. The sooner it ends (in his favour) the better for him.
How does this war benefit the Globalist American Empire ?

Oromagi 20 :
Don't be such   a fool.   Obviously the fake news your are propagating is that Jews make up 90% of Ukrainian power structures.   Particularly when Big Brother Putin has instructed you to believe they are all NAZIs now.
I think putin is claiming because of the genocides of ethnic russians, not because of the fact they are Jews. Putin is a zionist as well, so he isn't going to bring up Jewish stuff
What evidence can you present that there is a genocide of ethnic Russians ?

BearMan 26 :
Ah yes, that's why he invaded it of course...
he recognized the seperatist regions as their own independent states, Ukraine attacked the seperatist regions, so it seems the invasion is merely to save lives, and once he disposes of the current regime, he'll let the people vote on new leaders and allow ukraine independence
At least you lacked the dishonesty to claim Putin will organise democratic elections.

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You Americans should care because Ukraine is a Western ally.

We have no treaty with Ukraine. And it’s not our job to promote democracy, nor protect anywhere but the United States. We tried doing it in the past and look where we got. No one ever talks about the bloody civil war in eastern Ukraine that has killed thousands already. Where were y’all then with the “people have the right to choose.”

It may not be for long anymore.
Russia is a systemic adversary of the USA. Letting systemic adversaries violate your interests, will encourage them to continue at your expense.
As long as there’s a red line, it doesn’t matter. The red line is any attack on a NATO country. Even then I’d argue it’s irrelevant because NATO is pretty dumb. We have zero interests in Ukraine. Literally zero. But protect democracy. That’s not our job.

The USA has a reputation of abandoning allies. Abandoning Ukraine will strengthen that reputation.
The West is in part responsible for the crisis, among other reasons by putting Ukraine long in the waiting chamber for joining NATO.
Ukraine is within the top 5 of the most corrupt nations in the world. Just throw more money at them. Why the hell not. Putin doesn’t want a larger border with NATO. He wants a buffer.

If you’re gonna argue from a moral standpoint then troops should be key because morality has no bounds.
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Was Ronald Reagan a puppet leader ? If so, who was the puppet master ?
His advisors were the puppet masters. Kinda like how biden's presidency is rule by committee.

[9] Please present a credible source supporting that 90% of Ukraine's government consists of Jews.
Russia allegedly invades Ukraine to denazify it. How can a goverment of Jews be a Nazi government ?
Putin is obviously referring to the genocides in Ukraine when he talks about nazification and not antisemitesm. I'm also not going to provide evidence for 90% of ukraines power players being Jewish, but numerous Jewish writers from the Ukraine show some anxiety that their success in government will be used to persecute them, and any evidence I'll provide you'll miss the point of what is being said and bitch that the true number is like 70% or some other nonsense instead of focusing on the crux of what the argument means.

[5] Russia is attempting to conquer Ukraine, not liberate it.

[10] Can you prove that is indeed all Putin wanted ?
10 shows the hypocrisy of your unfounded statement in number 5. Putin has merely said he recognizes the ukranian seperatists regions and only invaded because the Ukraine attacked the seperatist regions

[13] What is your source for that information ?
Nato keeps an open invitation to practically all nations and Ukraine can join when they want, it looks like just above 50% of the population want to join, but the government never got around to making it happen

Letting systemic adversaries violate your interests, will encourage them to continue at your expense.
Worst case scenario, they reassemble the former USSR and leave the United states alone, having zero affect on it. No country is even remotely close to being able to defeat the American military so Russia will not violate American interests/

14] What the founders wanted is irrelevant. What the current population wants is relevant.
I think the constitution of the United States, particularly the Bill of Rights is very important and that the principles america was founded on and relies on to be the most powerful country in the world, is very important.

[15] Is that a fact or just your personal opinion ?
It's a statement on ethics, so obviously yes.

[16] Why is that ?
Because they would fight for it, the same way the people rose up and fought for Maoist China or how people rose up and fought for Pol Pot to lead their country. Americans fought and died for freedom, a lot of these people fought and died so they could make Pol Pot or Mao leader as a vote for that type of government. These people want to be persecuted, otherwise they would resist instead of fleeing to western countries and then voting for interventionist regimes like the ones they run from.

What evidence can you present that there is a genocide of ethnic Russians ?
Russian intelligence services with spies in the area claim this is true. Do you have more first hand knowledge of what is happening in the Ukraine than government officials stationed in those areas do?