The Interaction problem and Dualism

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Consciousness, via volitional action, increases the likelihood that an organism will direct its attention, and ultimately its movements, to whatever is most important for its survival and reproduction.
an insect is functionally indistinguishable from a robot
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Consciousness, via volitional action, increases the likelihood that an organism will direct its attention, and ultimately its movements, to whatever is most important for its survival and reproduction.

an insect is functionally indistinguishable from a robot
I can see you did not waste any money on education.

Insects certainly display complex and apparently intelligent behavior. They navigate over long distances, find food, avoid predators, communicate, display courtship, care for their young, and so on. The complexity of their behavioral repertoire is comparable to any mammal.
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Now, do you think asking questions in some way answers questions?
what makes you think a dragonfly has "consciousness" ?
What makes you think it doesn't have "consciousness?
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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Now, do you think asking questions in some way answers questions?
what makes you think a dragonfly has "consciousness" ?
What makes you think it doesn't have "consciousness?
If he knew he would not have asked the question in the first place. And you would have answered if you knew the answer, but you didn’t either.

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Yes, yes, yes, yes, yes.

Now, do you think asking questions in some way answers questions?
what makes you think a dragonfly has "consciousness" ?
What makes you think it doesn't have "consciousness?
If he knew he would not have asked the question in the first place. And you would have answered if you knew the answer, but you didn’t either.
I know why I think a dragonfly is conscious, what I don't know, is whether or not 3RU7AL is actually conscious, since he doesn't appear to be aware or in any way responsive.
 
Dictionary definitions of consciousness refer to “awareness”, a sensate being is “aware” and therefore posseses consciousness to some degree.  To avoid philosophical or metaphysical implications, lets define consciousness as the ability to perceive sensory stimuli and respond by purposeful action or by a behavioral change, and therefore an organism that demonstrates those abilities can be said to possess consciousness.  

Seen the way evolution demands that we see it then; there is a direction to life, towards greater complexity and higher forms of sentience. At the historically base level of life we have the prokariotic single celled organism, the bacteria, which demonstrate a rudimentary form of consciousness as sensate beings with complex behavior responses well beyond contrived mechanistic explanations regarding “robots” or “data processing”.

Bacteria can respond to a broad range of stimuli, demonstrate elementary forms of “memory”, and engage in purposeful activities. They have shown themselves to be extraordinarily perceptive, demonstrating elaborate behavioral responses and adaptations to a wide range of attractants and repellants and other environmental stimuli such as light. They have complex signaling capabilities, show the ability to communicate, and change their behavior based on population size, which implies some kind of quorum sensing ability and clearly demonstrates social behavior on at least a rudimentary level. They have been proven to have some form of memory and a rudimentary ability to learn, and the discriminatory ability to “choose” among alternatives, regarding among other things, gene expression. They clearly integrate these capabilities into a self-organized and sensate being that in at least an extremely attenuated way is perceiving, discriminating, remembering, and even “thinking”, on some level it is conscious.

On the developmentally increasing spectrum of sensate beings, a dragonfly falls somewhere between bacteria and human beings both evolutionarily and in terms of complexity, so I consider it to be aware, sensate, and therefore conscious.  
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Insects certainly display complex and apparently intelligent behavior. They navigate over long distances, find food, avoid predators, communicate, display courtship, care for their young, and so on. The complexity of their behavioral repertoire is comparable to any mammal.
There are two types of behavior that can be observed in organisms: innate behavior and learned behavior. Innate behavior is genetically encoded. Flight and mating habits are considered innate behaviors. You have probably seen a clear example of innate insect behavior called the dorsal light reaction. Flying insects will sense the direction of light coming from the sun and fly in a way that keeps the sun overhead, or on their dorsal side. This is a means for the insect to maintain a flight plan that is parallel to the ground. You may have witnessed that this innate behavior is not so helpful when a moth encounters an artificial light source and flies in continuous circles around it to keep the light on its dorsal surface. At times, the moth is not able to fly away from that light source and, in essence, becomes trapped. [**]
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lets define consciousness as the ability to perceive sensory stimuli and respond by purposeful action or by a behavioral change, and therefore an organism that demonstrates those abilities can be said to possess consciousness.  
this includes robots
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what makes you think a dragonfly has "consciousness" ?
What makes you think it doesn't have "consciousness?
the same thing that makes me think my car doesn't have a soul
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what makes you think a dragonfly has "consciousness" ?
What makes you think it doesn't have "consciousness?
the same thing that makes me think my car doesn't have a soul
Comic book?  The one that made you think robots are organisms maybe?

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Comic book?  The one that made you think robots are organisms maybe?
robots can react to their environment and learn new behavior and even form representative models
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Insects certainly display complex and apparently intelligent behavior. They navigate over long distances, find food, avoid predators, communicate, display courtship, care for their young, and so on. The complexity of their behavioral repertoire is comparable to any mammal.
There are two types of behavior that can be observed in organisms: innate behavior and learned behavior. Innate behavior is genetically encoded. Flight and mating habits are considered innate behaviors. You have probably seen a clear example of innate insect behavior called the dorsal light reaction. Flying insects will sense the direction of light coming from the sun and fly in a way that keeps the sun overhead, or on their dorsal side. This is a means for the insect to maintain a flight plan that is parallel to the ground. You may have witnessed that this innate behavior is not so helpful when a moth encounters an artificial light source and flies in continuous circles around it to keep the light on its dorsal surface. At times, the moth is not able to fly away from that light source and, in essence, becomes trapped[**]
There are some 35,000 automobile accidents in America annually. That is worse than “At times, the moth is not able to fly away from that light source and, in essence, becomes trapped. “
Do you blame that in learned behaviour?

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the automatic behavior of the moth appears to demonstrate a LACK OF CONSCIOUSNESS
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the automatic behavior of the moth appears to demonstrate a LACK OF CONSCIOUSNESS
It is the moths consciousness of light that is triggering the automatic behaviour.