Socialism correlates with higher living standards

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I mean oligarchs having control over legislation. It’s antithetical to the democratic will of the people. There’s a reason many politicians avoid talking about policy when they would rather talk about culture war bullshit.
well stated
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When it comes to oligarchical legislative influence America is second only to Russia, Putin being the biggest oligarch. 
yep

Top 10 Least Corrupt Countries in the World (CPI 2021)

  1. (tie) Denmark - 88
  2. (tie) Finland - 88
  3. (tie) New Zealand - 88
  4. (tie) Norway - 85
  5. (tie) Singapore - 85
  6. (tie) Sweden - 85
  7. Switzerland - 84
  8. Netherlands - 82
  9. Luxembourg - 81
  10. Germany - 80
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No....Socialism is a specific political theory. 

None of the States that you listed function in that way.....They are all a part of the global "capitalist" system.

How people look out for each other in terms of social fairness/care, is a separate issue influenced by other geographic, demographic and political factors.

Is it really fair to compare the U.S.A with Estonia, or even Germany or Canada.

Better to compare the U.S.A with Russia......Which would be your preferred destination?

I'm pretty sure I know who Estonia and Germany would prefer to have as allies, especially in terms of fairness.

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"based upon their perceived levels of public sector corruption. " So in other words, if you can appear to not be corrupt the CPI will give you a good score. "Science"
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Socialism is a specific political theory. 
i'm pretty certain there are quite a few different versions of "socialism"
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"based upon their perceived levels of public sector corruption. " So in other words, if you can appear to not be corrupt the CPI will give you a good score. "Science"
in the united states it is COMMON KNOWLEDGE that a large "campaign contribution" will buy you not only "access" but can even land you an ambassadorship

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What's your point?

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I would say there are about 5 different versions of socialism and more. All them have slightly different objectives, but all of them produce similar outcomes.

Fascist socialism is when political leaders have all the power and everything serves as an end for the state.
Crony socialism (crony capitalism) is when business leaders have power and amass wealth through political control and political favors.
Marxism - a system where "supposedly" all people have an equal economic class. Marx would like to see philosophers hold all the power.
Social Equality Socialism - a system where people attempt make all social groups equal by removing all perceived inequalities between them.
Democratic Socialism - the means of production owned by the social and collective group and controlled through democratic processes. 

 
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I don't doubt it.

But as I regularly say.....All social systems are essential the same anyway....Based upon  hierarchical structure, and methods of governance and enforcement.

How things pan out in the real world obviously varies, but there is no State that functions solely on the basis of shared resources and social equality. 

Societies just do not develop and function in such a way.
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What's your point?
well, when you said,

"based upon their perceived levels of public sector corruption. "
this is actually quite a good indication

for example,

government officials are not going to receive nearly as many "bribes" if nobody knows they are willing to accept "bribes"
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All social systems are essential the same anyway
HOLACRACY
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I would say there are about 5 different versions of socialism
on the scale of a single family

isn't socialism-collectivism the norm ?

aren't all forms of government essentially collectivism ?
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Maybe a gigantic government having too much power,
Worries people more than a 'small group of humans working issues out together.

'Degrees of a same 'notion, make for different notions.
A pat on the back is seen as friendly, unless it's given with excessive force,
Yet it's 'still a hand on the back, applied with force,
Yet it's 'not essentially the same as before.
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Maybe a gigantic government having too much power,
Worries people more than a 'small group of humans working issues out together.
yep
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isn't socialism-collectivism the norm ?
Collectivism is the norm and growing trend for modern governments but not as much for all the past. Maybe pre-constitutional America.

aren't all forms of government essentially collectivism ?
Libertarian forms of government are opposed to collectivism. Libertarians believe in maximizing the autonomy and freedoms of individuals while promoting a small and fiscally responsible government. 

Do libertarian countries exist? No can't name one. Only 1700s America came close to it. 
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aren't all (functional) forms of government essentially collectivism ?
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Its "your perception" that govt officials aren't receiving bribes and favors, that doesn't mean it isn't happening. All govts are oligarchies controlled by a few. 
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Its "your perception" that govt officials aren't receiving bribes and favors, that doesn't mean it isn't happening. All govts are oligarchies controlled by a few. 
some more than others
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"some more than others" That's your perception speaking
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Are we actually talking perception here.

Or just an arbitrary unsubstantiated  response to unsubstantiated data input.

I would suggest that perception is just the process of data acquisition, rather that the subsequent internal manipulation and modification of said data.

What one might refer to as the output of an unsubstantiated opinion, rather than perception-speak.


Just saying.
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"some more than others" That's your perception speaking
if you ask ten thousand business owners in india "does bribing government officials increase your likelihood for success?" and 75% of them say "hell yeahz"

and

if you ask ten thousand business owners in singapore "does bribing government officials increase your likelihood for success?" and 95% of them say "hell noez"

you probably have a much fairer system in singapore
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What is socialism? We miss the boat if we say it's the agenda of those left-wingers and Democrats. According to Marxist doctrine, socialism is a stage of society between capitalism and communism where private ownership and control over property is eliminated. The essence of socialism is the attenuation and ultimate abolition of private property rights. Attacks on private property include, but are not limited to, confiscating the rightful property of one person and giving it to another to whom it doesn't belong. When this is done privately we call it theft. When it's done collectively we use the euphemisms: income transfers or redistribution. It's not just left-wingers and Democrats who call for and admire socialism but right-wingers and Republicans as well.
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That's your perception of it. Do you even know ten thousand  people let alone in Singapore.  Who would even answer the question honestly and how would you know if they did? You need to come to terms with the ruling elite reality. "Oligarchies" The rules and laws you live under don't apply to them.  That's "my perception" of all Govts  everywhere.
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That's "my perception" of all Govts  everywhere.
you seem like a very well informed individual
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you seem like a very well informed individual

Old saying, ...' it takes one to know one '..... :--) however, that was days of old and word of mouth ruled instead of Google.

The biological body is self-regulating. It has nervous system composed of two primary parts;

The Central nervous system has two parts: and Brain cells are very sensitive to a lack of  { oxygen = human individual }

...............................Brain -/- Spinal Chord................................................
periphery...............bilateral spinal nerves...............................periphery

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...........................................Autonomic...........................................
.....sympathetic....................................................parasympathetic

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The Brain is made up of many networks of communicating neurons and glia. These networks allow different parts of the brain to “talk” to each other and work together to control body functions, emotions, thinking, behavior, and other activities

Glia aid aid to
  • Help support and hold neurons in place
  • Protect neurons
  • Create insulation called myelin, which helps move nerve impulses
  • Repair neurons and help restore neuron function
  • Trim out dead neurons
  • Regulate neurotransmitters
....ebuc....Glia is the integrity of the system?

Then there is the immune system and brain:

..." The communication pathways that link the brain to the immune system are normally activated by signals from the immune system, and they serve to regulate immune responses. These signals originate from accessory immune cells such as monocytes and macrophages and they are represented mainly by proinflammatory cytokines. "...  


The fetus/baby gets its immunity source from umbilical chord, but once out of body it gets its immunity source from breast milk.

Constitution and three branches of government = brain -/- spinal chord?

Individuals are biologic/soul cells, Mitochondria inside a biologic/soul cell?

Perhaps individuals are likened to oxygen. No oxygen and we dont exist. Oxygen is the in-spiriting factor.



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Ranked: The Social Mobility of 82 Countries

It’s an unfortunate truth that a person’s opportunities can be partially tethered to their socioeconomic status at birth.
Although winning or losing the “birth lottery” will continue to shape the lives of generations to come, climbing the socioeconomic ladder is possible. However, it boils down to what opportunities people are afforded in the country they live in.

Today’s chart pulls data from the inaugural Global Social Mobility report produced by the World Economic Forum. The report ranks 82 countries according to their performance across five key pillars: healthcare, education, technology access, working conditions, and social protection.
While most countries aim to create a level playing field, which places best live up to this lofty and challenging mission?

The Spectrum of Social Mobility

Social mobility refers to the movement of individuals either up or down the socioeconomic ladder relative to their current standing, such as a low-income family moving up to become a part of the middle class.

Countries with high levels of social mobility exhibit lower levels of income inequality and provide more equally shared opportunities for its citizens across each of the five pillars.

Here is how all 82 countries rank, according to the report:

#1
Denmark
85.2
#2
Norway
83.6
#3
Finland
83.6
#4
Sweden
83.5
#5
Iceland
82.7
#6
Netherlands
82.4
#7
Switzerland
82.1
#8
Belgium
80.1
#9
Austria
80.1
#10
Luxembourg
79.8
#11
Germany
78.8
#12
France
76.7
#13
Slovenia
76.4
#14
Canada
76.1
#15
Japan
76.1
#16
Australia
75.1
#17
Malta
75.0
#18
Ireland
75.0
#19
Czech Republic
74.7
#20
Singapore
74.6
#21
United Kingdom
74.4
#22
New Zealand
74.3
#23
Estonia
73.5
#24
Portugal
72.0
#25
Korean Republic
71.4
#26
Lithuania
70.5
#27
United States
70.4
#28
Spain
70.0
#29
Cyprus
69.4
#30
Poland
69.1
#31
Latvia
69.0
#32
Slovak Republic
68.5
#33
Israel
68.1
#34
Italy
67.4
#35
Uruguay
67.1
#36
Croatia
66.7
#37
Hungary
65.8
#38
Kazakhstan
64.8
#39
Russian Federation
64.7
#40
Bulgaria
63.8
#41
Serbia
63.8
#42
Romania
63.1
#43
Malaysia
62.0
#44
Costa Rica
61.6
#45
China
61.5
#46
Ukraine
61.2
#47
Chile
60.3
#48
Greece
59.8
#49
Moldova
59.6
#50
Vietnam
57.8
#51
Argentina
57.3
#52
Saudi Arabia
57.1
#53
Georgia
55.6
#54
Albania
55.6
#55
Thailand
55.4
#56
Armenia
53.9
#57
Ecuador
53.9
#58
Mexico
52.6
#59
Sri Lanka
52.3
#60
Brazil
52.1
#61
Philippines
51.7
#62
Tunisia
51.7
#63
Panama
51.4
#64
Turkey
51.3
#65
Colombia
50.3
#66
Peru
49.9
#67
Indonesia
49.3
#68
El Salvador
47.4
#69
Paraguay
46.8
#70
Ghana
45.5
#71
Egypt
44.8
#72
Laos
43.8
#73
Morocco
43.7
#74
Honduras
43.5
#75
Guatemala
43.5
#76
India
42.7
#77
South Africa
41.4
#78
Bangladesh
40.2
#79
Pakistan
36.7
#80
Cameroon
36
#81
Senegal
36.0
#82
Côte d’Ivoire
34.5


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Lets hear it for the perceptions of the Global social mobility report. If they don't know the truth about how every country on its list no one does. LOL

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Perhaps individuals are likened to oxygen. No oxygen and we dont exist. Oxygen is the in-spiriting factor.
The idea that air/wind is a magical life-force is found in many religions including judaism and christianity. This "spirit" is what makes dead matter alive. God, the original spirit, is the omniprescent atmosphere, whose breath made a clump of dirt into a human named Adam. 

There is a connection between oxygen and personhood, both mythologically and chemically. 
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There is a connection between oxygen and personhood, both mythologically and chemically. 

I agree. The person is likened to social construct as it is made from many cells --many with the mitochondria-- cooperating to create a global lywhole body { spirit-2, 3 and 4 } unit, that,  with humans has most access to and a ' mythological ' via Meta-space/Spirit-1 mind/intellect/concepts/ego placed on self,  within context of social  environment of others also subjectively applying their construct { image } onto us.

This is not the same as the borg { Star Trek } or hive of bees etc.  Primarily because the complex biologic is composed of so  many differrent kinds of cells and functions.  The complex Universe conquers by division of it self into so many varied parts ex atomic elements.

On the other end of that, is the ability to cooperate on the same goal/thoughts/ideas etc like a borg or hive to  move mountains, oceans, power sources or whatever, maintain the ecological systems and a reasonable { not greeedy } standard of living.

Mitochondria.... " The classic role of mitochondria is oxidative phosphorylation, which generates ATP by utilizing the energy released during the oxidation of the food we eat. ATP is used in turn as the primary energy source for most biochemical and physiological processes, such as growth, movement and homeostasis. "...

..." Mitochondrial dysfunction is widely implicated in ageing and in the diseases of ageing,  [-- ergo, the standard of living--]  through dysfunction in adenosine triphosphate (ATP) synthesis, Ca2+ homeostasis, central metabolic pathways or radical production. "....

" Mitochondria are membrane-bound cell organelles (mitochondrion, singular) that generate most of the chemical energy needed to power the cell's biochemical reactions. Chemical energy produced by the mitochondria is stored in a small molecule called adenosine triphosphate (ATP). "...