January 6th Hearings

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Well,
There was something or other about Trump urging metal detectors be removed, as he believed himself safe and/or did not believe they would attack the capital with guns. Of course the Left view will be because he wanted his armed supporters to take over the capital, but I'm doubtful,
At a gist it seems more likely he just wanted to seem positive to 'his people, and disregarded the idea of guns as dangerous, though I could be wrong.

There was something or other about Trump being angry with Secret Service telling him he couldn't go to the Capital.

Something or other about a number of people asking Trump for pardons, implication being that they either thought/knew they were doing something that was illegal, or that they could be charged with.
Though possible they did not think what they were doing was illegal or wrong, but wanted to cover their bases, or started a stampede once one person asked for a pardon.

Likely other things, but I've not been watching the hearings closely.
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Likely other things, but I've not been watching the hearings closely.
Not many people have. They have better things to worry about like how they’re gonna go to work next day or how they’re going to feed their families
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I hope they make Trumpet and the violent insurrections an offer they cant refuse.
They have. Uncontested control of the Congress in 4 months. Biden the used auto salesman sure knows how to broker a deal with Trumpets!
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They have. Uncontested control of the Congress in 4 months. Biden the used auto salesman sure knows how to broker a deal with Trumpets!

So Trumpets rides into town with his band of Trumpeteers again. Been there done that.

GP, please share when you have something of relevant significance that aids USA citizens and global humanity.

Until then please go sit with you Jan 6th insurrectionist --false narrative-- friends in court.  Every soul/biologic needs comfort in days of despair.


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Been there done that.-----------------------
Make Affordable Gas Again.

 aids USA citizens and global humanity.
I'm pretty sure once Pelosi and pals are gone, the capitol will be secured with the national guard in the future and not set up for political theatre while America burns in a recession.

There was a time when the building was used for business and not entertainment.
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It was illegitimate. There was no defense. The legislature should not conduct show trials.

There was no threat to democracy. Some people tresspassed. No one died except a tresspasser. 

I still see no evidence that Trump caused this. The capitol police caused this when they opened the doors, and the rioters who broke down windows. 

Who saved us from this supposed overthrowing of democracy? Mike Pence, the far left activist.

Nobody gives a bleep (according to congress), and people are more concerned about gas prices.
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Make Affordable Gas Again.

Narrowed minded political thinking, does not address the true global issues affecting all USA citizens and global humanity.

Get your head out of the localize muck and rise to the spiritual occasion, that, helps all of a larger coming storm of dark depresssion and into a light of system of operations that incorporates all of  humanity on a path of ecological sustainability ergo the path to sustain-able population and source of clean/safe energy.

All-for-one-and-one for all is not just a good line out of fun book.  It truly is the best --if not only--  path forward for humanity.

Lets work together ......Feb 1970 Canned Heat

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into a light of system of operations that incorporates a....
America is done with the system of corporate narratives. They reject the narrative of the tired old used car; and have decided to move on to a different lot.

I'd say anyone trying to sell shares in green cars today isn't going to be very popular mainly because the self-inflicted purely manufactured crisis everyone pays for right now is just too much to bear. Nobody asked for that.
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They reject the narrative of the tired old used car; and have decided to move on to a different lot.

Jan 6th insurrectionist { clueless Tumpet butt-lickers } vs I have dream { visionary for a future possibilities }

..." The March on Washington was a massive protest march that occurred in August 1963, when some 250,000 people gathered in front of the Lincoln Memorial in Washington, D.C. Also known as the March on Washington for Jobs and Freedom, the event aimed to draw attention to continuing challenges and inequalities faced by African Americans a century after emancipation. It was also the occasion of Martin Luther King Jr.’s now-iconic “I Have a Dream” speech. "....

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What new evidence popped up?
  • That Donald Trump ordered, planned, and led the first ever coup attempt against the US Govt on Jan 6th, 2020 by first discrediting and then violently disrupting the peaceful transfer of power with malice aforethought and reckless intent.
  • That Trump knew for certain that he lost the election  within 72 hours of the election and was made to understand that falsifying  election claims was a felony.
    • Trump's family, inner circle, advisors, White House staff and cabinet all advised Trump that the election was over.
      • Attorney General Barr investigated every claim made by Trump and advised Trump that they were all "bullshit."
  • That many coup plotters sought pre-emptive pardons for Jan 6th immediately following the coup's collapse.  Pardons require acknowledgement of guilt and  Mark Meadows' emails confirm at least Meadows, Giuliani, Andy Biggs, Mo Brooks, Matt Gaetz, Jim Jordan, Louie Gohmert, Marjorie Taylor Greene, Scott Perry and John Eastman were prepared to swear under oath they had committed felonies on Jan 6th.
  • That, in spite of repeated official claims to the contrary, Trump never ordered the National Guard in or, indeed, made any inquiries of any kind regarding the Nation's security while the Capitol was under attack.
    • Vice President Mike Pence illegally in ordered the National Guard and Secretary of Defense Miller complied knowing that Pence had no authority but understanding the imperative of defending the Nation.
      • Trump later illegally requested the Pentagon to report that he gave the order in contradiction to the truth.
  • That Trump raised more than $250 million for an "election defense fund" that Trump never bothered to create.
    • That's more than he raised for the election.
      • And unlike election campaign money, few rules govern how Trump may spend that money.
        • NONE of that $250 million was spent investigating campaign fraud (more evidence that Trump knew it was a waste of time).
        • Congresswoman Lofgren claims they have evidence that  at least some of this money was just transferred to Trump family accounts.
(This was not covered in the hearing but we might note that Trump's fundraising had a major detrimental  impact on the Georgia Senate races decided on Jan 5th.  In spite of sucking up all the available campaign money, Trump gave no money to Perdue or Loeffler's campaigns.  That is, there is a good argument to be made that Trump's greed directly cost the GOP Senatorial power.)

  • That testimony shows that Eastman and Giuliani, at least, were aware of the false and illegal nature of election claims in private insider conversations while maintaining those false and illegal claims in every public venue.
  • That the Dept of Justice reports that confidential informants have sworn under oath that the Proud Boys' instructions were to assassinate Pence and/or Pelosi.
  • That J. Michael Luttig, arch-conservative judge and Scalia acolyte testified that Trump directly ordered Pence to violate his oath of office and warned that Republicans already have a plan for a second  coup attempt in 2024.
  • That Arizona Republican House Speaker Rusty Bowers testified that Trump, Giuliani, Eastman, Andy Biggs and the wife of Supreme Court Justice Clarence Thomas illegally pressured Bowers to falsify election results.
    • Giuliani confessed to Bowers that he had no evidence of election fraud.
    • Trump illegally issued a statement stating that Bowers confirmed election fraud when Bowers had directly reported the opposite to Trump.
  • That Wisconsin Senator Ron Johnson tried to personally deliver instruction to Pence on how to falsify election results minutes before the certification began but Pence's staff refused.
    • Johnson acknowledges possession of those instructions but now claims that he does not know what they contained or who they came from (in spite of asking to hand deliver those papers to Pence).  If you were handing a package to the VP of the US wouldn't you want to know what was in it or who it came from?
  • That Trump illegally pressured AGs Rosen and Donoghue to falsify election results and  appoint Special Counsel investigations into Election Fraud and Hunter Biden.
    • After a week of daily refusals, Trump ordered his AG to "just say the election was corrupt and leave the rest to me and the Republican congressmen."  Rosen refused.
      • Trump then tried to fire Rosen and appoint Jeffrey Clarke acting AG.  Trump relented after Rosen advised that the entire top tier of the Justice Department was prepared to resign rather than allow such corruption.
  • That testimony under oath suggests that Trump inquired why the crowd at his rally was so small and was advised that large portions of the crowd could not pass through security because they were armed with knives, pistols, rifles, body armor, bear spray, and spears.  Trump allegedly requested that security measures be halted because "they're not here to hurt me."
    • Trump did plan to lead the armed militia into the Capitol but was prevented by the Secret Service.
  • That further testimony suggests that when the crowd started chanting "Hang Mike Pence," White House lawyers demanded that Meadows act to forestall violence.  Meadows confirmed that Trump had no problem with the crowd and that Trump felt strongly that  the Vice President, "deserves it."  That is, the VP deserved to die for keeping his oath to the American People.

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Lol, a great Hearsay summary of all the hearsay testimony.
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Lol, a great Hearsay summary of all the hearsay testimony.

Let's note that by design, all of the testimony reported above and nearly all of the testimony under oath before the USHSC comes from Trump loyalists, appointees, insiders, employees, and/or family members- all deep Republican insiders.

It's pretty easy to tell the complicit from the culpable just by noting who is willing to testify under oath and who refuses.
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by noting who is willing to testify under oath and who refuses.
lol, orangemanbad justice on full display. People are done with this bullshit, and it WILL be done in 4 months.

There's plenty of people willing to testify in defense of the orangeman but who are not allowed. We can easily correct your statement.

"It's pretty easy to tell the pandering actors from the justice seekers just by noting who is allowed to testify under oath and who are NOT allowed."
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Sorry, but none of that is enough to convince me that Trump led or attempted to cause an insurrection or violent coup.
To my view many of the events and words can be interpreted more than one way.
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 The allegation here is that the Donald Trump incited an insurrection against the United States government. That sure sounds like treason!
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Schumer called it an erection. That's high treason.
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the actual policies impacting all of our lives.
It sure as fuck aint Jan 6
When we talk about January 6th were not talking about a bunch of angry Trump supporters storming the Capitol. We're talking about the culmination of a months long campaign to delegitimize our system of democracy so a wannabe dictator could hold onto power over the will of the voters. Yes, that impacts all of our lives. If politicians are no longer accountable to the voters then discussion about gas prices no longer matters.

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Imagine thinking a trial where there is ZERO cross examination, there are ZERO people defending Donald Trump, and there are ZERO people wanting to investigate Nancy Pelosi’s role in J6 is at all “fair.”
Imagine being so brazenly, rankly partisan that one can no longer tell the difference between a criminal trial and a congressional hearing.

Imagine being so unconcerned with reality that one fails to realize everyone testifying against Trump is doing so under oath, while everyone defending him is doing so on Fox News or as anonymous sources.

Imagine being so wildly blind that one ignores the fact that nearly every witness testifying against Trump voted for him, worked in his administration, or both, all while pretending Trump is being attacked "by the left".
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Imagine being so brazenly, rankly partisan that one can no longer tell the difference between a criminal trial and a congressional hearing.
Imagine thinking due process isn’t good

Imagine being so unconcerned with reality that one fails to realize everyone testifying against Trump is doing so under oath, while everyone defending him is doing so on Fox News or as anonymous sources.
Imagine thinking that the J6 committee will allow contradictory testimony that contradicts what Casey Hutchison said.

Imagine being so wildly blind that one ignores the fact that nearly every witness testifying against Trump voted for him, worked in his administration, or both, all while pretending Trump is being attacked "by the left".
Imagine thinking that someone who wanted to go with Trump to Mar-e-Lago after J6 thinks Trump is the devil lol
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If politicians are no longer accountable to the voters then discussion about gas prices no longer matters.
If this were the case, Liz Cheney wouldn’t be on the committee. Good thing the voters are gonna kick her out now. Cause guess what? People in Wyoming don’t believe her bs partisan attacks.
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 If politicians are no longer accountable to the voters then discussion about gas prices no longer matters.
Pelosi will be held accountable for not defending Democracy with the National Guard in 4 months.

Unlike you, I have faith in the little peons that make Democracy work and gets rid of the useless trash in DC.
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If this were the case, Liz Cheney wouldn’t be on the committee. Good thing the voters are gonna kick her out now. Cause guess what? People in Wyoming don’t believe her bs partisan attacks.

Why you gotta be first!
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Why you gotta be first!
First is the worst. Second is the best!!
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Well, this might affect the Jan. 6 committee hearings.
A video posted to Crimo’s YouTube page on Jan. 2, 2021, appears to show Crimo among a throng of protesters cheering for Trump’s presidential motorcade outside an airport. Crimo flips the phone’s orientation to reveal his face at the end of the video.
Crimo is also seen draped in a Trump flag in a June 27, 2021, post on Twitter. 
I wonder what Trump supporters have planned for Labor Day?

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I wonder what Trump supporters have planned for Labor Day
Definitely not considering paying rent to live in the head!
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Pelosi will be held accountable for not defending Democracy with the National Guard in 4 months.
What a stupid post.

So you support holding accountable one of the prime targets of the Jan 6th mob but not the individual who incited them and who the mob themselves literally told us they were listening to.

You are not a serious person to talk to.
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Of course not, because they get their news from the same people literally texting the game plan back and forth with the Trump administration.
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You are not a serious person to talk to.
And you are not serious about protecting our shrines of Democracy. You would see them desecrated for political stunts.

4 more months, and we can have someone responsible and accountable for making sure the capitol has adequate protections.
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Of course not, because they get their news from the same people literally texting the game plan back and forth with the Trump administration.
Nice of you to discount the population of an entire state. Good thing each state gets 2 senators lol
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4 more months, and we can have someone responsible and accountable for making sure the capitol has adequate protections.
Protections from what? I thought J6 was just a bunch of people taking selfies...