DART 2022 June Myers-Briggs and Jung personality types.

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This is not a callout. There is a user who can choose to be named or not that runs around telling me I am not a 'real INTP'. While these results can be faked, I am going to screenshot at the end of the quiz whatever I get, meaning at the point of making this OP I have not yet begun the quiz. I will answer completely honestly to the best of my human ability.

I want others to post here too, I am curious if that user will show themselves what the verdict will be.
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This test is considered highly accurate and doesn't use scaling (uses this/that type answering)
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INTPs are naturally drawn to scientific fields, where their intellectual gifts are most useful.
  • Albert Einstein, German physicist. 
  • Charles Darwin, English naturalist. 
  • Marie Curie, Polish physicist and chemist. 
  • William Harvey, English physician. 
  • William James, American psychologist.



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I think I must have been in a strange mood when I took this:


When I've taken the long-form version of this, I land in ISTP with a strong emphasis on the S and the T, so it's odd that I landed in NF on this one. Guessing a combination of the number of questions and the lack of a scale on which to answer these affects where I land.
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Someone can pay some money to get all your answers
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The MYERS-BRIGGS PERSONALITY TEST is BULLSHIT
Why is it so popular?
By Luke Winkie

Are you an introvert or an extrovert, a feeler or a thinker? For years, the go-to for this kind of introspective info has been gleaned from the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator, a lengthy self-report survey established by Katharine Cook Briggs and Isabel Briggs Myers in the early-20th century. The mother and daughter duo were not psychologists, but studied the work of psychoanalytical forefather Carl Jung. As such, their MBTI intends to categorize people with questions based on Jung's interpretation of the four core psychological functions—extraversion versus introversion, intuitive versus sensing, feeling versus thinking, and judging versus perceiving. After completion, you're be assigned a four-digit barcode (INFJ, ESTP) with each letter corresponding to what side you fall on each of those aforementioned spectrums, eventually trickling down into 16 distinct personality types.

The MBTI has become a weirdly ubiquitous piece of pop psychology. Businesses have used the Myers-Briggs test to make hiring decisions, there are academic papers published evaluating the correlation between MBTI and employment satisfaction, and there are literally thousands of personality-type clubs on meetup.com, (like "Toronto INFJs,") ostensibly so that a community bound by nothing more than an online quiz can finally find solidarity with one another. (From my anecdotal research, I can also confirm that the diagnoses appear in a good deal of Tinder profiles too.) It's easy to see why. No matter how logical and lucid someone might be, it's always nice to be told you're special by a deterministic authority.

But before you take the test or assign it any weight…

"The research out there says that [the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator] doesn't predict behavior in a consistent way, and psychometrically, the way it's constructed, is pretty odd," says Ronald Riggio, who earned his PhD in Psychology at the University of California, Riverside, and currently teaches at Claremont McKenna College. "My first encounter with the scale was when a student presented it to me, and since it was so poorly constructed, I thought it was the student's work."
Riggio's contempt for the test is echoed by most voices in the professional psychological community. The personality testing specialist, Robert Hogan, famously called Myers-Briggs "little more than a Chinese fortune cookie" in his book Personality and the Fate of Organizations. Adam Grant, a psychologist at the University of Pennsylvania, has said "there's just no evidence behind [the test,]" concluding that it carried no "predictive power" whatsoever. And David J. Pittenger, an assistant professor researching the MBTI at the University of Indiana in the early 90s, stated flatly that "there is no obvious evidence that there are 16 unique categories in which all people can be placed."

The primary complaint about the MBTI has to do with the way the scale measures cognitive instinct. Myers-Briggs works in binaries—you're either judging or perceiving, intuitive or sensing—and one or two questions can be the conclusive factor in tipping your results into either of those directions. That doesn't reflect the complicated reality of human personality, which is by no means black or white. Most people are somewhere in the middle, and that's the foundational thing the MBTI fails to understand. "[For introversion and extroversion,] you either get an 'I' or an 'E' score. It's a true/false kind of test. It limits the variance of it," says Riggio. "Most other personality tests measure as a continuum. They can say, 'You're a little bit I,' or, 'You're on the borderline,' or, 'You're a little bit E.'"
Riggio also doesn't put much stock into Carl Jung's research, simply because, well, Carl Jung wasn't a researcher. Jung emerged from the Freudian-era of psychology, which was more about lamenting the human condition than, you know, science. "Jung's theories are not considered to be solid," he says. "He wasn't an empiricist. He didn't collect data." So how to explain the MBTI's popularity? It's probably the soft-focus endearing way in which the personality descriptions are written. There isn't a scrap of negativity in it. Everything is composed optimistically. The Type Indicator will never tell you that you're a bad person.

"When you read the basic descriptions, they're all written in a positive way," says Riggio. "[Psychologists] call that the Barnum Effect. The Barnum Effect says that if you write something that's so general [it can apply to anyone]. They all sound right, they're all so positive and kind of generic, people say, 'Oh my God, this is a miracle—it totally applies to me.'"

Basically, they're like horoscopes.

But to be fair, there are some people in the psychology community who don't dismiss Myers-Briggs wholesale, particularly in the case of employers or anyone having to make a decision. John Johnson is a personality psychologist at Pennsylvania State University who says that while the MBTI does fail to fully convey the full complexity of, say, the introversion/extroversion spectrum, that's a problem that befalls plenty of personality evaluations that are far less scrutinized.

"When it comes to making a decision based on personality scores, that decision is almost always binary or categorical," he says. "For example, does a person have a strong enough disposition on personality traits A, B, and C to be hired? You either hire someone or not—there is nothing in between. In all of these cases of making a decision—whether about someone else, or for yourself—you are forced to treat personality spectra as type categories."

Still, Johnson does acknowledge he's an outlier in the psychological community. That's fine—he's fighting for the rights of laymen to enjoy our diagnosis without feeling stupid. "Academic personality psychologists almost universally criticize the MBTI and similar type indicators for not adhering to their professional standards for psychological assessment," he says. "The controversy is more between academic psychologists on the one hand and, on the other hand, practitioners in other fields who use the MBTI for workshops as well as people who take the MBTI and find value in it."

Riggio concedes the point. "If people do some research, I think it's fine for self-exploration," he says. "If it gets people hooked on psychology, that's a positive side effect."

There's no danger in taking your Myers-Briggs temperature, as long as you don't get too invested in the results. Think of it like you would tarot cards, a palm reading, horoscopes, or a BuzzFeed quiz—a bit of serious fun you shouldn't take too seriously.


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Someone can pay some money to get all your answers
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ENTJ

You have distinct preference of Extraversion over Introversion (75%) You have slight preference of Intuition over Sensing (20%) You have moderate preference of Thinking over Feeling (50%) You have slight preference of Judging over Perceiving (12%)
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IDK if this is what we are doing here, but I am ENTP.
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Same. INTJ.
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Thanks for that fake-woke rant. 
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Can you link to that quiz please?
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Just re-took this on a different site with a scaling system and got a similar result, though this one at least gave me the scale. I've definitely gotten more intuitive with time, but I'm close to the line. Thinking and feeling is even closer. Seems I've gotten much less polarized on these two over time, which is intriguing. I wonder if I'd get the same result with the long version, though since that costs, I won't be taking it anytime soon.

I do think there's value in doing this just to see how your personality shifts over time. It's not so much that you seat yourself in a single box out of the 16 (I think most of us straddle at least two of these - at this point, I think I straddle 3 or 4 of them), but that you get some idea of the biases of your personality.
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link to it please
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INTP
Introvert(28%)  iNtuitive(47%)  Thinking(3%)  Perceiving(16%)
  • You have moderate preference of Introversion over Extraversion (28%)
  • You have moderate preference of Intuition over Sensing (47%)
  • You have marginal or no preference of Thinking over Feeling (3%)
  • You have slight preference of Perceiving over Judging (16%)

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Yeah, I took a handful of them. The one I mentioned earlier is the 16Personalities test, for which I got INFJ 

I took two others that were recommended because neither is dichotomy-based in terms of its answers and where they apply. Both of them gave me the same result and both align pretty closely with what I've gotten previously. The P/J distinction has always been a bit of a toss up for me, so on that front, I'm not surprised.

John's Personality Test: ISTJ (this one has the fewest questions up front, but it expanded twice because I was apparently more difficult to read - ended up being 35)
Keys2cognition: ISTJ (45 questions)

Edit: saw your post with the humanmetrics link and took that. Same result: ISTJ. Looks like the tests fall into two pretty distinct categories for me, either slating me more into the INF(P/J) group or the ISTJ group. I think the latter set is more accurate.
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You revealed your password to the 16p
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Removed it, though as I don't have a profile made up for that site, the password is useless. Still, thanks for the heads up.
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Ill retake 16p for the sake of curiosity and proving somebody wrong.
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Thanks for that fake-woke rant. 
In fact, I offered no original opinion or text so there's no possibility of a "rant" on my part.  I have no idea what what people mean when they say "woke."  Usage on this site suggests that its just another "doubleplusungood" without any real semantic implication.  Therfore, "fake-woke" seems equally null in semantic intent beyond generic insult.

I just cut & paste some reasonable journalism on the subject for people who dislike being duped by phony scientific claims.
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Why would somebody tell you, you are not INTP.

I am INTP, and I assure you. I can't tell who in this forum is an INTP. You seriously can't tell unless you live with the person or something and then maybe not then
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I would reckon you are an ENFP, personally.
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For the record I got INTP again and interestingly it was also extremely close the barrier between T and F (like with the humanmetrics) but each time, I consistently edge out T (for quite a few years but as a teen I bordered on INFP and got it in certain tests).


I am INTP-Turbulent on this scaling.
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Why would somebody tell you, you are not INTP.
This user ran a series of questioning to determine people's MBTI type (secretly, meaning it was revealed after they answered the questions but obviously the idea became obvious throughout).

In that thread, I expressed answers that the user said are ESFJ... As in it couldn't be more wrong and I'd only consider me to be an INFP or INTJ as viable.

Since that day, the user chases me around telling me I must be an ESFP/ESFJ even on a damn trans debate thread about pronouns.

I made this because I am tired of being told I am the problem and not this user's theory.
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My experience is that I get the most flux on the P/J side, though I often end up close to the line on I/E as well (it's like your T/F split - I'm still consistently introverted, despite how close I usually am).