a ton of price fixing in the oil industry.
Cool story bro
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@Danielle
given how volatile oil markets can be.
More like given how volatile the levels of government interference are from one administration to the next.
Shutting down the country for 2 years over the flu isn't something investors planned on, but they sure will now.
Lying to them about global warming, and pretending that remaining in the dark ages is somehow in their financial best interest just because they happen to work for a coal company.
So lying to people about the end of the world and keeping them in brownouts and lockdowns is the preferable option just because Pelosi's stock portfolio is flush with green energy investments? Ok Jan.
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@Greyparrot
Wow, those are some brilliant arguments - especially the part about Nancy Pelosi investing in green energy! Surely no Republicans invest in oil, right? Because that would be a huge conflict of interest that makes your entire point a useless one that proves nothing.
And obviously any contributions or lobbying from oil companies to Republican politicians would delegitimize every single aspect of their energy policy, so I'm sure you've done your due diligence in ensuring none of that goes on. Right?
You've convinced me there is no price fixing in the oil industry to boot! It's a totally free market indeed. And you're also correct that Democrats are intentionally bankrupting their constituents just to give 86 year old Nancy Pelosi a few extra bucks, which became clear to me once you brought up blackouts and lockdowns. I haven't seen you use the red herring of lockdowns in like 16 hours so I know you really mean it this time.
If this country wants to save itself we need to seriously just stick with oil and coal or else risk politicians profiting off green energy which is just unacceptable. Every single other industry they can profit off of but not that one, sorry. That's where we draw the line.
If this country wants to save itself we need to seriously just stick with oil and coal or else risk politicians profiting off green energy which is just unacceptable. Every single other industry they can profit off of but not that one, sorry. That's where we draw the line.
How about letting consumers profit with free access to whatever energy they want? What a radical idea.
Because that would be a huge conflict of interest that makes your entire point a useless one that proves nothing.
No conflict here babe. There should be no restrictions on green energy or oil, regardless who is in power in DC.
It's a totally free market indeed.
It totally is not lol, the prices are fixed by the Democrats atm.
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@Danielle
And you're also correct that Democrats are intentionally bankrupting their constituents just to give 86 year old Nancy Pelosi a few extra bucks,
The Democrat party's constituents are the oligarch lobbyists, not peons like you and me. All we get are lies about the end of the world and excuses for brownouts.
You don't still believe Covid is the end of the world, do you?
pretending that remaining in the dark ages is somehow in their financial best interest
Come to think of it, there are a ton of people who live in my Democrat neighborhood that regularly burn wood in the winter to keep from dying. How about you go around and explain to them how dying is preferable to living in "the dark ages"
I am sure that kind of Gaslighting will go down real swell with your fellow Democrats.
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@Greyparrot
Come to think of it, there are a ton of people who live in my Democrat neighborhood that regularly burn wood in the winter to keep from dying. How about you go around and explain to them how dying is preferable to living in "the dark ages"
I never said that going without heat is preferable to using antiquated energy. I wonder what prompted you to come up with such a blatant strawman like that.
To be honest part of me is fine with poor people using wood to keep warm, but it's Republicans, not Democrats who are also cool with that. Your point about Democrats is pretty stupid since Dems are routinely the ones pushing to subsidize oil companies to give poor people heat while Republicans fight against it. In fact Trump tried to get rid of LIHEAP several times. I bet you don't even know what LIHEAP is lol. Google it.
What I actually said is that capitalism is about the evolution of better processes and products, so I'd prefer to transition away from 1800s style energy production ASAP for something better: something cleaner and more efficient. Why on earth would anyone NOT want that? Oh right... just to spite the libs.
Please try harder next time you post something snarky in an attempt to condescend to me if you can. You act as if you hurt my feelings by knocking Democrats lol what do I give a shit. I knock them all the time. They have nothing to do with me personally and I'm not in a cult like you are. I'm not even a member of the Democrat party but I guess if you think that's clever then sure, stick with whatcha know.
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@Danielle
What I actually said is that capitalism is about the evolution of better processes and products
What I actually said is that capitalism is about the evolution of [MORE PROFITABLE] processes and products
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@Danielle
They have nothing to do with me personally and I'm not in a cult like you are.
HAHAHa! Please don't project so blatantly. You can do better.
I bet you don't even know what LIHEAP is lol.
Do you even know what state I live in?
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@3RU7AL
True. I still think the byproducts of capitalism are better than the alternative even with the blowback of capitalist pursuits (pollution, classism, etc.). Surprisingly I've never been much of a hippie despite how much pot I smoke. I've always been more of a self-interested, cut-throat, figure it out, pull yourself up by your bootstraps cuz the world and least of all me doesn't owe you shit kinda person, which makes all the jabs about me being some kind of socialist libtard all the weirder lol. I guess if they say so.
But yeah I think people should look to profit off better energy alternatives. It's simply the best motivator. I mean we can try other motivators ("the world is burning") but apparently that's not very compelling, and many have been duped into thinking that fossil fuels aren't actually harmful at all. The easiest way to get coal miners and oil riggers on board are to give them safer but more importantly better paying jobs.
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@Danielle
I've always been more of a self-interested, cut-throat, figure it out, pull yourself up by your bootstraps
easy rider
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@Greyparrot
What exactly am I projecting? I have no problem criticizing Democrats lol none.
Meanwhile let's note that you made a thread about gaslighting because Biden has trouble reading from a teleprompter or something (ooooh, aaaah) while saying positively nothing about Trump's gaffes, gaslighting and shameless lies + outright denial of reality that's been perpetuated by conservative media for the last year and a half.
In fact I've never seen you call out Republicans or conservatives post 2016 on their rights violations, their ignorance, their spending, their bias, their mistakes, their bigotry, their misguided policy, their one sided media and certainly not their power hungry deceit from people like Kevin McCarthy et. al. that have been caught on tape lamenting what a shithead Trump is but sucking his dick publicly with no shame (kinda like you do I guess). Instead you just shrug it off and make excuses for everyone who cow tows to Trump's denial of reality and attempt to manipulate the public as if that gaslighting is NBD.
Every aspect of your ideology just seems premised on opposition to the left. That's it. There are no consistent principles, no substance, no persistent goals or values that I can discern - just catastrophizing the latest top du jour from Fox & Friends and whining about liberals as if it's a personality trait. I mean it's not like I expect a ton of intellect or self-awareness from someone who watches Tucker Carlson unironically, but I'd be surprised if you couldn't at least acknowledge your own deeply prolific and insanely obvious bias. Come on now. Democrats have started to turn on Biden (I don't care about him) which you acknowledge, whereas Trumpkins are far too brainwashed and far to invested to ever criticize King Daddy Gaslight. You don't even like Trump and you can't even bring yourself to criticize him or his brainwashed followers. Face it, you're just as pathologically partisan as everyone else, and certainly more so than me :)
And no I don't know what state you live in. Virginia? Hmm no... you mentioned being jealous of the beach. I'll say Colorado.
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@Danielle
while saying positively nothing about Trump's gaffes,
Why would I? He is an ex-president with no power over me.
Fox & Friends
Don't watch, don't care either.
watches Tucker Carlson
Actually only see clips when Tim Pool reposts some.
denial of reality
Lying about crowd size doesn't affect me nearly as much as lying about my personal economic state. Sorry babe.
Trumpkins are far too brainwashed
So you will be appropriately and genuinely surprised when DeSantis is your next president?
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@Danielle
And no I don't know what state you live in. Virginia? Hmm no... you mentioned being jealous of the beach.
I'm about 45 minutes North of you.
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@Danielle
Face it, you're just as pathologically partisan as everyone else, and certainly more so than me :)
Ha! How about you list every Republican you ever voted for in your life and I will post every Democrat I have voted for in my life. Let's see who has the longer list.
I'm not sure you really want to do this!
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@Greyparrot
Why would I? He is an ex-president with no power over me.
Because he's the most influential figure in the Republican party today, a notorious character still politically relevant on the national + world stage, and the next Republican nominee for POTUS.
Also because he continues to preside over a cult of personality including politicians who refuse to accept the results of current and future elections they may lose. He is powerful with members of congress that are completely beholden to him and followers that would happily commit crimes on his behalf.
But hey if you don't think all of his constant lying and manipulating is problematic I get that. There's nothing wrong with gaslighting people to maintain control over them and control over a narrative just as long as they're not Democrats. Because when Democrats do it it's catastrophic. I mean just look at the Biden administration "redefining the word recession" for example. How we can ever recover from this controversy I don't know but I'm sure it has a widespread impact on the world somehow.
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@Greyparrot
45 minutes north of me is Queens lol. Lots of traffic.
And no my theme song is "I Like That" by Janelle Monae :)
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@Danielle
Ok 45 minutes as a crow flies :D
Probably more like 2 hours and more north east...
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@Greyparrot
Ha! How about you list every Republican you ever voted for in your life and I will post every Democrat I have voted for in my life. Let's see who has the longer list.
Well considering I haven't been voting for that long I would be very surprised if I had a longer list...
I'm not sure you really want to do this!
I don't lol. You can believe I'm a diehard liberal who canvasses for Bernie Sanders and fundraises for Elizabeth Warren for all I care. The first time I voted for a Democrat was 2018 and I've voted for some Republicans since then too (city council, board of ed). I hate public unions.
But if it makes you feel a false sense of superiority by deluding yourself into thinking you have even one ounce of objectivity then I won't rain on your parade :) So I'll declare you victorious, sir. You're the king of impartiality which is very obvious to us all. Congratulations.
You can believe I'm a diehard liberal
Lol I never have :D In fact I think you are an anomaly from the typical New Yorker.
I hate public unions.
Me too!
But if it makes you feel a false sense of superiority
Good lord, stop pretending you are not the Queen Bee that you are. (no sarcasm)
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@Danielle
and I've voted for some Republicans since then too (city council, board of ed)
I hope you did so very carefully. I have no faith in Republican central planners to act in the best interests of the public.
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@ILikePie5
It’s nothing new for liberals. They have been denying simple economics with their socialist policies for years now
I hope you did so very carefully. I have no faith in Republican central planners to act in the best interests of the public.
Even when it comes to walls?