The Jews invented Christianity

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He created the most successful religion in the world

And it is in decline now. The age of the fish has gone sunshine and many churches are now mosques. Seems to me that Islam gained one of Christianity's greatest scalps when it converted this beautiful work of architecture.

Orthodox Christian cathedral, Hagia Sophia


There there , never mind it will all come off when it's dry.🤣
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No he didn't. Others used his name to. 
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It was the greatest, and it unfortunately in decline. Truly a shame
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It was the greatest, and it unfortunately in decline. Truly a shame

And what is it that you believe has caused the decline, Doc?
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subversion

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He is the focus of a widespread religion.

Ongoing data transfer made it what it is today.

Teach your kids non-sense and they will teach their kids non-sense.
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It was the greatest, and it [Christianity] unfortunately is in decline. Truly a shame

And what is it that you believe has caused the decline, Doc?


subversion

By what or who?
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And the British invented America. Your point being?
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Freemasons, jews, liberals, etc
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It was the greatest, and it [Christianity] unfortunately is in decline. Truly a shame

And what is it that you believe has caused the decline, Doc?


subversion

By what or who?

Freemasons, jews, liberals, etc
And how did these mere mortals manged to cause such a massive decline in such a phenomenon as Christianity a religion that you say was created by god? 
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just told you, by subverting the church
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I'm just curious. How, exactly, did we subvert the church?
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A variety of measures
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That lacks any detail so it does nothing to substantiate your claim. 
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@Dr.Franklin
It was the greatest, and it [Christianity] unfortunately is in decline. Truly a shame

And what is it that you believe has caused the decline, Doc?


subversion

By what or who?

Freemasons, jews, liberals, etc
And how did these mere mortals manged to cause such a massive decline in such a phenomenon as Christianity a religion that you say was created by god? 

just told you, by subverting the church.

But you haven't explained how, have you?  You haven't explained how the church was undermined (subverted) by these organisations.  You have without any evidence to support your claim simply laid the blame for the decline of the Christian church at the feet of other organisations? 

Is it not possible that with the human race being more educated and more informed today than those illiterate and superstitious people of 1st century Palestine that people today are able to work  for themselves that the gospels as they have come down to us are a  mess of of contradictory half stories that make no sense on the surface?

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ok.
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Jesus was a Jew and followed Judaism. Jesus made his mission very clear from the start. He was not sent to create a new religion.

Matthew 15:24 He answered, “I was sent only to the lost sheep of Israel.”
Matthew 5:17 (“Do not think that I have come to abolish Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them.”).

Of the 27 books in the New Testament, Paul is credited as the author of 13 of them. Jesus is credited with none. While he was proud of his Jewish heritage, Paul saw that the gospel was for the Gentiles as well. Paul was martyred for his faith in Christ by the Romans, about A.D. 67.
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Jesus was a Jew and followed Judaism. Jesus made his mission very clear from the start. He was not sent to create a new religion.
If Jesus existed I guess he might have been a Jew and so were other people. He was on no particular mission according to Judaism and quoting from texts that Judaism doesn't see as valid isn't very persuasive.

So, um...yeah.
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Jesus never existed. Joseph Atwill, who is the author of a book entitled 'Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus', asserts that Christianity did not begin as a religion, but was actually a sophisticated government propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire.
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@rosends

Jesus was a Jew and followed Judaism. Jesus made his mission very clear from the start. He was not sent to create a new religion.

rosends reply:If Jesus existed I guess he might have been a Jew and so were other people. He was on no particular mission according to Judaism and quoting from texts that Judaism doesn't see as valid isn't very persuasive.

So, um...yeah.

The Old Testament ended with Malachi 430 years before Jesus’s birth. 
But the Old Testament contained prophesies about the coming Messiah promised to the Jews. 

Prophecies Christians consider fulfilled by Jesus  from the Old Testament. But because the Jews rejected Jesus as their Messiah, Christianity was created to account for the fulfillment of OT prophesies.
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The Old Testament ended with Malachi 430 years before Jesus’s birth. 
But the Old Testament contained prophesies about the coming Messiah promised to the Jews. 
It contains all sorts of stuff but nothing about Jesus. Finding things and calling them messianic prophecies doesn't make them so, and then saying that Jesus "fulfilled" them is an empty argument. If you want to discuss the content of the Jewish canon then you should listen to someone who has studied it as a Jew, not in your translation and not with an agenda of pulling out bits to find what justifies your theology. Christians can "consider" whatever they want. Jews know otherwise.

You must be new at this. 
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Jesus never existed. Joseph Atwill, who is the author of a book entitled 'Caesar's Messiah: The Roman Conspiracy to Invent Jesus', asserts that Christianity did not begin as a religion, but was actually a sophisticated government propaganda exercise used to pacify the subjects of the Roman Empire.
There are many different ideas about whether or not a person (singular identity) existed or whether the literary character was a combination of other actual people, or a reflection of mythic figures from other belief systems. There are also different theories about exactly what Christianity was or why it became something. Honestly, I don't know. I just know the text that Jesus would have learned and, if he was half as intelligent as people make him out to be, he would have known that a lot of stuff being claimed in his name is pure bunkum.
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The Old Testament ended with Malachi 430 years before Jesus’s birth. 
But the Old Testament contained prophesies about the coming Messiah promised to the Jews. 
rosends replied: It contains all sorts of stuff but nothing about Jesus. Finding things and calling them messianic prophecies doesn't make them so, and then saying that Jesus "fulfilled" them is an empty argument. If you want to discuss the content of the Jewish canon then you should listen to someone who has studied it as a Jew, not in your translation and not with an agenda of pulling out bits to find what justifies your theology. Christians can "consider" whatever they want. Jews know otherwise.

You must be new at this. 

Today, there are 2 billion Christians who accept Jesus as the promised one and 14 million Jews that still hold on to the minority view that  Jesus was not the Messiah. Not only are the Jews outnumbered, they have become irrelevant. 
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What is irrelevant is your response. Judaism was around before Christianity and will be around after it.  Maybe try composing an argument based on content and facts,  or are they irrelevant also? 
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Today, there are 2 billion Christians who accept Jesus as the promised one and 14 million Jews that still hold on to the minority view that  Jesus was not the Messiah. Not only are the Jews outnumbered, they have become irrelevant.


What is irrelevant is your response. Judaism was around before Christianity and will be around after it.  Maybe try composing an argument based on content and facts,  or are they irrelevant also? 
For millions of Jews, Judaism has become irrelevant. 
Jesus said, 'Therefore I say to you, the kingdom of God will be taken from you and given to a nation bearing the fruits of it' (Mat 21:43; NJKV).

It’s fulfillment. There are over 2 billion Christians and 1.9 billion Muslims. Judaism is not only becoming irrelevant. The jews themselves are being threatened with extinction.
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It’s fulfillment. There are over 2 billion Christians and 1.9 billion Muslims. Judaism is not only becoming irrelevant. The jews themselves are being threatened with extinction.
thank you for the laugh. We have been threatened with all sorts of things since before your supposed messiah was born and we are still here. You really think we are worried about your particular take on things? Other than your bizarre views regarding numbers and your ignorance of history, do you have anything of substance to contribute?
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It’s fulfillment. There are over 2 billion Christians and 1.9 billion Muslims. Judaism is not only becoming irrelevant. The jews themselves are being threatened with extinction.

thank you for the laugh. We have been threatened with all sorts of things since before your supposed messiah was born and we are still here. You really think we are worried about your particular take on things? Other than your bizarre views regarding numbers and your ignorance of history, do you have anything of substance to contribute?
The Jews were driven out of their homeland four times.
Four exiles of the Jewish people by the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and recently under Western rule (Holocaust).
Expecting a messiah to change Jewish history is not on the minds of Jewish people. Accepting Jesus as a messiah is even less rational. Punishing past players is highly unlikely. So the best option is to rewrite Jewish history in a more favourable light.
See The Invention of the Jewish People. shlomo Sand.

“Shlomo Sand argues that most Jews actually descend from converts, whose native lands were scattered far across the Middle East and Eastern Europe. The formation of a Jewish people and then a Jewish nation out of these disparate groups could only take place under the sway of a new historiography, developing in response to the rise of nationalism throughout Europe. Beneath the biblical back fill of the nineteenth-century historians, and the twentieth-century intellectuals who replaced rabbis as the architects of Jewish identity, The Invention of the Jewish People uncovers a new narrative of Israel’s formation, and proposes a bold analysis of nationalism that accounts for the old myths.”
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The Christian religion at its core is nothing but a theft. They took the Jewish god and Roman Hellenistic principles and mesh them together to make a religion that would unite the people because it was easier for them to take over with a unified religion than allowing people to continue to practice their own faith.
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The Jews were driven out of their homeland four times.
Four exiles of the Jewish people by the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and recently under Western rule (Holocaust).
Expecting a messiah to change Jewish history is not on the minds of Jewish people. Accepting Jesus as a messiah is even less rational. Punishing past players is highly unlikely. So the best option is to rewrite Jewish history in a more favourable light.
See The Invention of the Jewish People. shlomo Sand.

“Shlomo Sand argues that most Jews actually descend from converts, whose native lands were scattered far across the Middle East and Eastern Europe. The formation of a Jewish people and then a Jewish nation out of these disparate groups could only take place under the sway of a new historiography, developing in response to the rise of nationalism throughout Europe. Beneath the biblical back fill of the nineteenth-century historians, and the twentieth-century intellectuals who replaced rabbis as the architects of Jewish identity, The Invention of the Jewish People uncovers a new narrative of Israel’s formation, and proposes a bold analysis of nationalism that accounts for the old myths.”
Expecting the messiah to change history isn't on anyone's mind -- history happened. The messiah will change the NOW. But yes, acceptiong Jesus as a messiah IS less rational.

As to the exiles, Jews are well aware of the various exiles. You can talk to the Jews who live in Israel about how they don't have a homeland.

If you are hanging your understanding of Judaism and Israel on Sand (and, by extension, the Khazar foolishness) then there is nothing more to say to you because you are hitching your wagon to a horse that won't run.
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The Christian religion at its core is nothing but a theft. They took the Jewish god and Roman Hellenistic principles and mesh them together to make a religion that would unite the people because it was easier for them to take over with a unified religion than allowing people to continue to practice their own faith.
Jesus would not have done well in Judaism. It is just as well the Romans made Christianity a universal religion.

The Jews were driven out of their homeland four times.
Four exiles of the Jewish people by the Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Medians, the Greeks, and recently under Western rule (Holocaust).
Expecting a messiah to change Jewish history is not on the minds of Jewish people. Accepting Jesus as a messiah is even less rational. Punishing past players is highly unlikely. So the best option is to rewrite Jewish history in a more favourable light.
See The Invention of the Jewish People. shlomo Sand.

“Shlomo Sand argues that most Jews actually descend from converts, whose native lands were scattered far across the Middle East and Eastern Europe. The formation of a Jewish people and then a Jewish nation out of these disparate groups could only take place under the sway of a new historiography, developing in response to the rise of nationalism throughout Europe. Beneath the biblical back fill of the nineteenth-century historians, and the twentieth-century intellectuals who replaced rabbis as the architects of Jewish identity, The Invention of the Jewish People uncovers a new narrative of Israel’s formation, and proposes a bold analysis of nationalism that accounts for the old myths.”