A Parting Gift

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I wanted to give some of the most important debate lessons I learned before I go.

I've been involved in dozens of IRL debate tournaments, both in-person and virtual. I've been doing IRL debating for 4 years. I was the president of debate club at my highschool before I graduated. I have ranked among the best speakers in my province and several times have performed better than any other team in Peel region in tournaments. I say this not to brag, but rather to establish that I know what I'm talking about.

  1. Speeches should be 10-20% fluff and 80-90% stuff. Fluff is anything that aims to elicit an emotional reaction or summarize/introduce/roadmap/make things easier to understand; anything that does not directly add on to your arguments. If you're debating to win, framing the debate in a way that leads to people thinking you represent the moral position or summarizing things so people can easier understand/conceptualize what you mean (ESPECIALLY when looking back on your speech to vote), fluff will often be how voters/the judge will remember the debate and can easily win you the whole thing.
  2. Roadmap and summarize. Segment the debate as much as possible. Do not try and intertwine one point or one rebuttal with another (though your rebuttals also contributing to your arguments is fine). Knowing exactly what you are saying is INCREDIBLY important. You don't want to lose because a voter didn't understand what you were trying to say. Where possible, summarize every argument or rebuttal with logical premises that inevitably lead to a conclusion. What comes before that summary should be proving each of those premises and how they inevitably lead to the conclusion.
  3. During rebuttals, take your opponent's argument in its best case. You do not want to leave ambiguity where the judge can think "well, I can imagine a scenario where this argument might be able to stand up to these refutations better, so perhaps this refutation does not stand up if you took the argument in good faith." Taking your opponent's argument in its best case is advice I got repeatedly (mostly because I was bad at following it lmao). Show how, even in the absolute best case scenario with the kindest possible assumptions, the argument is still incorrect and does not outweigh your arguments. Then go on to say that "if their argument fails in the best case scenario with the kindest possible assumptions, in a realistic scenario, the argument completely and utterly falls apart."
  4. Don't be too harsh. That last sentence in the previous bullet point is probably not how you should do it, but it's how I'd do it. Being too harsh just makes people view your entire argument with a negative light. It makes you out to be an asshole. Take people in good faith unless you are absolutely sure and capable of proving that their argument is in bad faith/laughably incorrect. This is also advice I should have followed more.
  5. Mechanisms. Basically, when you say one thing will lead to another thing, how? That is what a mechanism is. You have to provide that logical bridge or else it is impossible to prove that a cause-effect relationship will occur.
  6. Go through every debate as though it is of personal relevance to you. Treat every speech with the conviction and certainty you would treat it if you were falsely accused of murder and were speaking to the jury if there was no chance you could lose and now all you have to do is bring it home. To speak fluidly, with passion, and with full belief in your arguments will win debates more than anything. It's like fluff if it was intertwined throughout the entire speech. Speaking in a poetic, assured tone psychologically leads to people thinking you know what you're talking about and it sticks with them a lot more than a monotonous series of quotes and bullet points.

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  1. Don't be too harsh. That last sentence in the previous bullet point is probably not how you should do it, but it's how I'd do it. Being too harsh just makes people view your entire argument with a negative light. It makes you out to be an asshole. Take people in good faith unless you are absolutely sure and capable of proving that their argument is in bad faith/laughably incorrect. This is also advice I should have followed more.
It is either wrong or not. We should point it out in the straightest way possible without it being so bad conduct is removed, not just generally "don't be harsh". That is my view.

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If that is how you wish to go about it, that's your choice and I respect it, but I doubt most people will look any more kindly upon your arguments if you're being mean to your opponent (in a way that is perceived to be) undeservedly.
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Quite. I just think that no one intentionally act like an asshole(except maybe Wyited). Maybe some people are way sensitive to things like this but to me, all these cold and harsh tones used in debate arguments just feel like what would be normally expected for an argument. You are here to fight with words, well. I still respect your effort to make arguments respectful, I just think it is ok with or without.
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Sorry to see you go, but it sounds like you've got a plan and I hope things work out well for you. Hope to see you back on here someday.

As for this set of advice, I just want to emphasize one of them:

During rebuttals, take your opponent's argument in its best case. You do not want to leave ambiguity where the judge can think "well, I can imagine a scenario where this argument might be able to stand up to these refutations better, so perhaps this refutation does not stand up if you took the argument in good faith." Taking your opponent's argument in its best case is advice I got repeatedly (mostly because I was bad at following it lmao). Show how, even in the absolute best case scenario with the kindest possible assumptions, the argument is still incorrect and does not outweigh your arguments. Then go on to say that "if their argument fails in the best case scenario with the kindest possible assumptions, in a realistic scenario, the argument completely and utterly falls apart."
I'm emphasizing this because I think it's often overlooked. We become so dead set on winning that the goal is more all-or-nothing where the goal is to leave none of your opponent's arguments standing by the end. I think it's important to recognize that voters commonly find ways in which both sides are doing something right, so debaters are best served by working with a similar mindset. Your opponent most likely has arguments that a voter would find persuasive. "Even if" statements are particularly helpful, in my opinion, since they engage with how a voter might be thinking directly and explain why, if they are thinking that way, they should come around to your side regardless. Don't see enough of those, honestly.
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3. During rebuttals, take your opponent's argument in its best case. You do not want to leave ambiguity where the judge can think "well, I can imagine a scenario where this argument might be able to stand up to these refutations better, so perhaps this refutation does not stand up if you took the argument in good faith." Taking your opponent's argument in its best case is advice I got repeatedly (mostly because I was bad at following it lmao). Show how, even in the absolute best case scenario with the kindest possible assumptions, the argument is still incorrect and does not outweigh your arguments. Then go on to say that "if their argument fails in the best case scenario with the kindest possible assumptions, in a realistic scenario, the argument completely and utterly falls apart."
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Quite. I just think that no one intentionally act like an asshole(except maybe Wyited). Maybe some people are way sensitive to things like this but to me, all these cold and harsh tones used in debate arguments just feel like what would be normally expected for an argument. You are here to fight with words, well. I still respect your effort to make arguments respectful, I just think it is ok with or without.
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I definitely think that a discrepancy in the amount of kindness a debater gives to their opponent's arguments and the kindness a voter gives to said opponent's arguments can be among the easiest ways for a voter to begin to start questioning if you are truly taking your opponent's arguments in good faith/at face value, so I agree with you fully.

Thank you as well! I appreciate your good wishes. See you soon, homie.
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Though for how polite you are I would probably award you the conduct point as opposed to if a debater is speaking in ice cold language.
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Thank you for the advice.
However, I follow a different branch of the word. My main aim is not to use logic or rely on logic, but rather on the power of the word. 

I write down everything in my notes. I make multiple versions of each sentence to achieve result.

I dont care that much of whether people will agree with me or not. Its fine if they do. But if they dont agree with me and I am still speaking, it makes me feel even better.