I don’t understand libertarian logic

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Time for me to distance myself from libetarians because I roast the left and the right. Time to roast the down wing (down for small government).

Libetarians: We need to pay off the debt.

Me: Raising taxes would help pay off the debt.

Libetarians: Not like that. Pay off the debt without taxes as taxation is theft.

Me: So what’s your plan to pay off the debt? If you eliminated all spending and all taxes (both nonstarters), the debt will still go up because of interest payments.

Another issue I have with libertarians:

Libertarians: COVID is not serious. Keep the public schools open.

Also Libetarians: Shut down public school; homeschool your kid.

Me: You can use COVID as an excuse to homeschool your kid even if you don’t think COVID is a big deal.

Another issue I have with libertarians:

Libertarians: The government is bad.

Libertarians: Trust the government with spending billions of dollars on taxpayer money for nuclear power plants.

My response: Support nuclear power if you want; just don’t call it libertarian; it’s not.

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https://www.power-technology.com/analysis/worlds-oldest-nuclear-power-plant/

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@TheUnderdog

The oldest nuclear power plant that still works was investor funded and still privately owned.

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@TheUnderdog

The problem is that the libertarians might hate the government and public policies for the sake of doing it because a center of their belief is that government bad.

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@Intelligence_06

A Democrat is a person that just got asked out on a date.

A Republican is one who shows up and sees how ugly the girl is.

A Libertarian is one who discovers just who is paying for the bad date.

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@Greyparrot

And I guess these people are fit for the original cause for none of the three for how easy it is to change their political outlook.

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@Intelligence_06

And I guess for these people are fit for the original for cause for none of the three for how easy it is for to change their political outlook.

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Me: So what’s your plan to pay off the debt? If you eliminated all spending and all taxes (both nonstarters), the debt will still go up because of interest payments.

federal and state lotteries seem obvious

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@TheUnderdog

Libertarians: Trust the government with spending billions of dollars on taxpayer money for nuclear power plants.

what "libertarian priesthood" is providing this information to you ?

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@Greyparrot

The vast majority of new nuclear power plants are government funded.

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@3RU7AL

The interest on the debt is around $240 billion. You can’t pay off even the deficit on pure lotteries.

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@3RU7AL

I think of it all myself. I think about politics every day, so I don’t like any party 100% of the time, including libertarians.

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@TheUnderdog

The interest on the debt is around $240 billion. You can’t pay off even the deficit on pure lotteries.

the government should take over the entire gambling industry

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@TheUnderdog

I think of it all myself.

so, you get your information about "what libertarians believe" from yourself ?

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@3RU7AL

Libetarians don’t support nationalization of industry.

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@3RU7AL

I figure out inconsistencies by myself.

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@TheUnderdog

I figure out inconsistencies by myself.

inconsistencies from what source ?

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@TheUnderdog

Libetarians don’t support nationalization of industry.

what about out-competing the market with provably-fair games ?

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@TheUnderdog

The vast majority of new nuclear power plants are government funded.

That is the problem.

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@3RU7AL

inconsistencies from what source ?

My head.

what about out-competing the market with provably-fair games ?

All the people that want to federally gamble use the lottery. Government buisiness ideas are taxpayer funded to start up so libetarians wouldn’t support it. I don’t believe it will generate enough revenue to pay off the debt.

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@Greyparrot

The private sector isn’t going to spend billions of dollars on nuclear power plants. So if libertarians get the nuclear power they want, they are going to have to be government run.

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The private sector isn’t going to spend billions of dollars on nuclear power plants. So if libertarians get the nuclear power they want, they are going to have to be government run.

Or alternatively, get the government out of the business of holding Nuclear power down. Investors had no problems making safe reactor plants before the government fucked them all up to save coal plants.

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@TheUnderdog

inconsistencies from what source ?
My head.

so, the "libertarian" that you "don't understand" is yourself ??

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https://www.vox.com/2016/2/29/11132930/nuclear-power-costs-us-france-korea

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@TheUnderdog

This is a really good article you should read. Especially make sure to read how South Korea managed to keep Nuclear Power construction costs down during the same period it was rising in the USA.

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@TheUnderdog

The private sector isn’t going to spend billions of dollars on nuclear power plants.

The properties of fluoride salts offer LFTR enhanced safety characteristics over existing reactor technologies.

The fluid salt in the core is not pressurized, thus eliminating the fundamental driving force present in the core of legacy water-cooled reactors (like those at Fukushima-Daiichi).

The notion of a “meltdown” leading to reactor failure becomes irrelevant in a reactor designed around the use of liquid fuels.

The reactivity of the reactor is self-controlling because any increase in the reactor’s operating temperature results in decrease in density of the fuel salt in the core and a reduction of reactor power, thus inherently stabilizing the reactor without the need for human intervention or backup systems. [**]

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@TheUnderdog

National Debt is a sort of fantasy concept.

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@TheUnderdog

This only applies to right libertarians. Left libertarians are a thing too, libertarian was originally a word coined for leftist thinkers but got hijacked by people who are right leaning.

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@3RU7AL

I’m not a libertarian. I agree with them on 70% of issues or so, but I am not 100% libertarian.

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@Greyparrot

All of humanity’s energy needs are already met. If nuclear power was completely privatized, the private sector would incorporate profit waste. I also don’t think new nuclear power plants would be developed because most people don’t care that much about the environment when it comes to paying money for it. Otherwise most people would have solar panels or do what it takes to get them. Meaning people are fine with coal.

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@Greyparrot

I think France and South Korea have government run nuclear power. I might be wrong here though. This isn’t something libetarians would support.

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