"Gender Affirming Care" is a snare and a delusion

Instead what’s actually happening is that the individual is destroying their body, often sterilizing themselves and ensuring they’ll never have children or causing lasting damage such as unwanted body hair or permanently changed voices. 

In extreme cases surgical mutilation occurs at an age where an individual is not allowed to buy a beer, own a gun, have sex, or even drive a car.

Very few if any actually manage to pass, 

In extreme cases, the desire to change sex consumes the entire personality and these people cease to exist for any reason other than to be transsexual. 

Many of those who detransition discover with horror that many of the changes to their bodies are permanent. De transition forums are chalk full of girls crying their eyes out over their permanently deep voices, their anger that they’ll never be pretty again, the tragic realization that they will never be able to have children…and their cries fall on deaf ears except to supposedly hateful people like me. 

 Uh, news flash, breasts are organs not sex objects. Sure you can get fake tits but you’ll never be able to use them for their actual purpose of nursing an infant and your body (a holistic system) will forever be missing a piece 

but please don't bring up nonsense used against gays and pretend it's applicable to trans people. 

I'm surprised you would present Foucault in a positive light. 

Are you suggesting that people's personal freedom and bodily autonomy should be totally ignored and discontinued, or just persuaded against and shamed  like homosexuality? 

So should people's gender or sexual identity not be affirmed? 

While we're in the business of managing other people's experience of reality, I'll again point out that your children are bringing machine guns to school in order to mow each other down.

But that all leads me back to my first reply - what would the correct care be assuming that transgenderism actually exist?

Your tacit support of child genital mutilation is duly noted, however

Well he's a fucking pedophile, so what do you expect?

He’s a pedophile?

I would also point out that every surgical procedure comes with risks. We've all heard the horror stories of plastic surgery gone wrong,  yet people don't spend so much time and energy (especially in politics or the media) looking to shame or persuade people not to get nose jobs or butt lifts. Making your titties bigger is perfectly fine if not encouraged, but chopping your titties off is something that is everyone's business and mission to rail against apparently. 

This applies to everyone and everything. Look at the people with Trump avatars, Trump clothes, Trump flags, Trump bumper stickers, Trump manicures,  eating Trump cheeseburgers at Trump themed fast food joints, etc. A lot of things consume people's entire personality: their hobbies, sports, politics, their job... so what?

It's always so weird to me that people bring this up as if there are not transition forums chock full of people crying tears of joy and talking about how transitioning was the best thing that's ever happened to them, cured their depression, made them feel whole, made them feel seen, made them feel validated and changed their lives for the better. Apparently we're supposed to pretend those people don't exist even though they account for the overwhelming majority. "Hey did you hear about the 2% of people with regrets?!" doesn't seem like a great talking point, and yet it's brought up by anti trans people constantly despite being such a bad point.

Even if you found a study that said 15% of people regret transitioning it would still be a really weak point to bring up in opposition. If I was suffering from gender dysphoria and subsequently severe depression to the point of being a high suicide risk, and I knew 85% of people that transitioned had their lives significantly improve, I would take that chance and you would be an idiot not to. Hmm death or mastectomy death or mastectomy... killing myself or getting new implants... hmm decisions decisions...

Wow are you gonna join the #FreeTheNipple and pro breast feeding in public campaigns because boobs are solely for functional use? I dare you to tell your future daughter that it's okay for her to walk around topless as a teenage girl because  tits are just for food lol. I kid. But to me this is just as useless as saying that it's pointless to dye your hair because the only purpose of hair is to insulate the body and conserve heat. It may be true from an evolutionary standpoint, but it is a fact that how people physically present themselves to the world conveys a lot socially and impacts how the world treats them + their own self-esteem.

However, I would hesitate to throw all the blame on the psychology community. Many medical fields, especially those less based in concrete facts like psychology, are highly susceptible to public pressure. In fact, public pressure was a large driver of homosexuality’s removal from the DSM and popular sentiment in the years prior was part of the reason it was included in it.

I have no objection to any adult's  conscious choice to harm their body in any way they desire to do so, whether voluntary consumption of dangerous substances of any kind, voluntary bodily modification of any kind and the like.  For example, I have no objection to adult's voluntary consumption of any substance whatsoever, whether it's pot, heroin, meth or depo provera.  Likewise, I have no objection to any adult's voluntary choice to undergo any bodily modification, whether it's plastic surgery, piercings, gauges, obnoxious tattoos or sex change operations. 

I always hated psychologists and psychiatrists. They seem to be used by US government to justify harmful decisions.

Even today, they give drugs to toddlers. 

Also, they are meddlers.

Most people dont understand the dangers of meddling into other peoples private lives.

I wouldnt call psychology or psychiatry a science.

It’s just a modern form of whichcraft.

He isn’t a pedophile. He’s an Irishman. Capable of making good and soulful work but also a degenerate, very common for the emerald isle

The newer the field the further away from the scientific method it is. Look how piss poor nutrition science is (remember the food pyramid lol.) Psychology is an important field but it’s such a deeply complicated one that yeah everything needs to be taken with an enormous grain of salt. Theres few fields where you should “trust the experts” less

Why the need to mention conservative? Who mentioned the political divide? We need not any more division in society, do we?

So you didn't read the OP then. 

Because the purpose of wedge issues is precisely to focus the conversation on those subjects which will peel undecided people over to the conservative side over time. Whether or not any substantive discussion actually takes place, simply the fact that these are the topics being discussed tilts things in a conservative direction.

Why do you think Jordan Peterson has been pumping out videos repeating the exact same lies for so many years now, with no progress, engaged debate or intellectual curiosity?

It's because those are the talking points which benefit the conservative think tanks which are where his money comes from.

So you didn't read the OP then. 

Of course I read it.

I tend to like the Irish very much. I take exception to him. Seems like one of those knock-off Ulster Irish.

A very small subset of people may, in fact, be trans.  But for most, it's play that loses appeal before puberty.  And if it doesn't, most of the time it's just a fetish.  I don't have a problem with people having fetishes or even orienting their lives around that fetish.  I also don't have a problem with people doing literally anything to their bodies they desire, to the extent they retain the agency to make such decisions. 

Children, however, have no such agency . . . at least before they are 14-16 years old.  Now, a field of self-styled experts peddle pseudoscience on par with the fraud they peddled in support of lobotomies and all the other shit you listed.  Much of which is even more deficient than Family Research Council's crackpot nonsense opposing gay parenthood. 

Of course something like detransitioning is a conversation that should take place, but it is a very sensitive topic which should be discussed by qualified and unbiased people, not conservatives given that they are constitutionally incapable of acting in good faith. 

You like me well enough and I find you a good deal of fun also. You're just salty about last time