Ugly vs Attractive

Men tend to be more attracted to more neonotenous traits in women, such as larger eyes and just in general, youthful features. I can't remember where I read it, and I can't seem to find it now.

Although most men do see strong bone structures as masculine. A woman can have high cheekbones and still look feminine. She can even have a jawline and look feminine. It's just harder to pull it off on average, it seems.

A weak chin does not necessarily make a girl look more attractive than a well-developed one, but it certainly does not make her look more masculine to have a weak chin. A weak chin on a man makes him look more feminine on average. Which just means a woman can get away with having a weak chin or a negative canthal tilt easier than a man can, as it doesn't change their sexual dimorphism profile.

You now seem to be focusing on sexual attraction, rather than physical attraction. Ultimately one and the same perhaps.

Though to suggest that social manipulation of the latter does not affect the former is a ridiculous position.

And with regard to our interaction, it was you who initially addressed my argument, and if I do not necessarily agree with your arguments you have every opportunity to try again. Such is the mental stimulation I get from responding to your commentary, so that is why I bother.

Yes.

Please point out the irony, as it might help to clarify things.

My contention as ever, is that humans are prone to take base instinct and apply conceptuality and therefore apply socio-psychological modifications to decisions.

So, in simple terms base instinct was/is see it fuck it.

--> @Avery

And I differentiate between base instinct and acquired behaviour.

And sexual attraction at base level is a separate issue to physical attraction at a socio-conceptual level

The stag fucks every doe irrespective of looks, and without the need for overthink.

And indiscriminate sex is more relative to the human condition than it is to most other species.

Indiscriminate sex is the outcome of overthink rather than the outcome of base physiology.

That is to say that humans have developed the practice of copulating when it not necessary to do so.

Recreational sex as it were.

--> @Shila

And you just sank to the depths of stupidity and jibing.

Which diminishes the credibility that I once openly supported.

--> @Avery

And I differentiate between base instinct and acquired behaviour.

And sexual attraction at base level is a separate issue to physical attraction at a socio-conceptual level

The stag fucks every doe irrespective of looks, and without the need for overthink.

And indiscriminate sex is more relative to the human condition than it is to most other species.

Indiscriminate sex is the outcome of overthink rather than the outcome of base physiology.

That is to say that humans have developed the practice of copulating when it not necessary to do so.

Recreational sex as it were.

How is TWS's existence affecting the physical attractiveness of people? What about TWS makes people overeat or be born with down syndrome? 

--> @Avery

How is TWS's existence affecting the physical attractiveness of people? What about TWS makes people overeat or be born with down syndrome? 

It's not. His issue is him binding his own damn business about what other people do and are. He has no right (in society) to be commenting on someone else when there are certainly things in his life he could criticized for equally compared to those peoples. Why does he care that there are ugly people? How does it affect him in his daily life? Does he immediately get disgusted by their appearance by a look? If that's the case, it's a him problem because 98% of the population DO NOT care about a bystanders looks enough to comment, therefore it is a him issue that needs evaluated by a professional psychologist

And I differentiate between base instinct and acquired behaviour.

And sexual attraction at base level is a separate issue to physical attraction at a socio-conceptual level

And indiscriminate sex is more relative to the human condition than it is to most other species.

Indiscriminate sex is the outcome of overthink rather than the outcome of base physiology.

That is to say that humans have developed the practice of copulating when it not necessary to do so.

Recreational sex as it were.

His issue is him binding his own damn business about what other people do and are. He has no right (in society) to be commenting on someone else when there are certainly things in his life he could criticized for equally compared to those peoples. Why does he care that there are ugly people? How does it affect him in his daily life? Does he immediately get disgusted by their appearance by a look?

If that's the case, it's a him problem because 98% of the population DO NOT care about a bystanders looks enough to comment, therefore it is a him issue that needs evaluated by a professional psychologist

-> @Shila

Exactly what I meant about cherry picking.

So, such and such happened and everything else is temporarily irrelevant.

It's like saying that heavy snow brought down the power lines, but because you are cold and without power now, it's the fault of the power company for not fixing in quickly enough. The cause of the problem is conveniently forgotten and therefore irrelevant.

--> @Shila

As I said.

Such is human expectation.

--> @Shila

Perhaps I'm a clever rabbit

--> @Shila

I only said perhaps.

--> @Shila

For sure.

So can you confirm that you are indeed a Female, French Canadian Catholic of the species Homo sapiens.

TWS’s profile tells us he was forced to retire at 45. It is possible his professional psychologist found him unfit to work. So he spends his time venting out and throwing insults at his own reflection or projecting onto others what he hates about himself.

--> @Shila

TWS’s profile tells us he was forced to retire at 45. It is possible his professional psychologist found him unfit to work. So he spends his time venting out and throwing insults at his own reflection or projecting onto others what he hates about himself.

Atrial Fibrillation and high blood pressure (cardiovascular conditions) =/= psychological issues. And you're one to talk about psychological projection. It's your forte.  

Sorry to hear you were forced to retire because of poor health. You mentioned Atrial Fibrillation and high blood pressure (cardiovascular conditions).

But spending your time venting out and throwing insults at your own reflection or projecting onto others what you hate about yourself is a mental issue that you also suffer from.

-->@TWS1405

OP associates humans value with attractiveness. I think this overlooks a few things. What of intelligence, compassion, empathy, courage, ingenuity, etc? I mean, if beauty is the only standard, then humanity is going to be worse off in the long run...also, eugenics is fucked-up elitist thinking.

Physical "attractiveness" has ZERO to do with intelligence, compassion, empathy, courage, etc. etc. etc. 

Boy meets girl, girl is physically smoking hot! Girl thinks boy is incredibly handsome. Both say to themselves after a few dates, "Even if he/she gets fact, ugly, loses all his/her teeth and smells bad...so long as he/she has intelligence, compassion, empathy, courage, ingenuity, etc., ... he/she is my soulmate for life!" Sad no one ever!!!

The fact that we did not stop degenerates from procreating has led us to the epidemic of the mental health, health care and crime crisis that we have had [...]