Ultimate Reality

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No it isn't since your God is one of many. 
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I'm not going to bother until you confess that God exists, and nothing I say can change this.
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There by definition can only be one Ultimate Reality.

You are off the mark, because you. still don't realize how I have very little to do witg it. My observations, opinions, beliefs, etc are irrelevant.

The Ultimate Reality. It is what it is. Exactly what that means.



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Not true at all since it doesn't exist. 
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Huh? You very well know I believe God exists. I have told you that multiple times.

Now Describe your concept of God please. 
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If nothing is ultimately real, then nothing you say or believe can be ultimately real either.

There is no reality.

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The Ultimate Reality is God.

Knowledge of God =/= God

Meditate on that, and you'll see plenty for yourself. 


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@Mopac
Ever talk to witnesses to a crime. They all have different stories yet all saw the true event. Truth is not reality. Our senses filter it. No idea if when we are dead our soul still does or not. Maybe the ultimate reality is no senses or body.
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@Mopac
That is nonsense. 

What is your experience of God?
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The Ultimate Reality is greater than personal witness.
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@Mopac
The error you are making is as follows:

Reality exists.

For the purposes of this thread, I will define “The roadrunner” as “reality”.

 
Because (in this context of this thread) I have defined “the roadrunner” as reality, it is a truism to say the road runner exists.


Therefore: Reality is under attack by Wile-e-Coyote.
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@janesix
Not nonsense. The Truth.



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You don't get to make up the meanings of words. Your argument is as stupid as you are.
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Have you experienced God or not?
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@Mopac
Nope. Because there isn't one. And without witnesses what is the purpose of a god. That is why creation is tied into the god story. 
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@Mopac
In the context of this thread, when I say “the road runner”, I mean “reality”. I absolutely have the power and ability to specifically define what I mean when I use a particular word.

In this thread, when I use the word “road runner” I specifically mean “reality”, that is now a definition that I will use and adhere to throughout.

The word “road runner” may not be used in this way outside of this thread, or by anyone else in this thread: but I will say now, whenever I refer to the phrase “the road runner”, I mean reality.


In this thread if you deny that “the road runner” exists, you deny reality exists, and as you define God as reality - you also deny reality exists.


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Two times The ultimate reality. 
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Words mean what ever you want them to mean.


Yes, you have established your arbitrariness.

You can go away now if you'd like.

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@janesix
Experience is by nature creation.

God is not creation.

Looks like you got something out of me. God is not creation.

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What is the purpose of The Ultimate Reality?

You really going to ask that?


Without God there is nothing. There is no reality without Ultimate Reality, because if there is no Ultimate Reality, nothing is ultimately real, which means that there is no reality.


Well, as we are all having an experience, that has been soundly disproven.


The Ultimate Reality by necessity exists.

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It’s no more arbitrary than selecting any particular meaning for any particular word. That’s just your excuse for not being able to provide any argument.

If I say that whenever I say “the road runner”, I mean “reality”, that’s a specific meaning in the context of this thread.

If I say “the road runner exists”, and everyone knows I mean “reality exists”, then I have absolutely managed to define “the road runner” to mean reality in the context of this thread.

That is the road runner of this argument.



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That is your belief. Not truth 
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The Truth is God.
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The Ultimate Reality is what is being discussed when I use the word "God".

No amount of your aversion to the word God is going to overthrow thousands of years worth of church tradition.

I'm not making this up.

You don't get to arbitrarily redefine words when their meanings aren't convenient to you. 


This is what the concept means. You can deny it all you want, but stubbornly insisting that 3 + 4 = 23 until even the day you die does not overthrow mathematics. Neither does you redefining God to be something other than God overthrow all of theology.


You know that The Ultimate Reality exists. Can you say it? 



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I’m sorry, you’re argument is a nonsensical attempt to change the goal posts. I don’t think you know how to actually approach the logic, so you’re just  hurling out nonsense.


In this thread, whenever I say “the road runner”, I mean “reality”, I have decided to define “the road runner” to mean “reality”. 

You don’t have to like it, you don’t have to agree with it: but if you understand that when I use the phrase “the road runner”, I mean “reality”, then I have defined the word successfully In the context of this thread whether you like it or not.


Alternatively, if I use the phrase “the road runner”, and you don’t know what I’m talking about, despite repeatedly telling you what I mean: you’re a buffoon, who isn’t capable of even the slightest fragment of abstract thinking.



so which is it? Are you a buffoon who doesn’t get abstract thinking: or do you understand that if I say “the road runner” in this thread - I am referring to reality.
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Your belief not fact, not truth. 
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@janesix
Truth=God=Ultimate Reality=Truth. Your circular argument lacks any real meaning.
This.

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It's literally a definition.

What is a definition?


"a statement of the meaning of a word or word group or a sign or symbol"

It's not an argument.



The only people who are arguing are you silly people who can't accept the definition of a word because it makes you wrong.



I'm amazed at how dull you people have become for the sake of self righteousness.

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Reality is what it is No special reality. 
Well stated.

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@janesix
Truth=God=Ultimate Reality=Truth. Your circular argument lacks any real meaning.
You have captured the essence of Mopac's argument beautifully.