Thank you for also providing sources in your arguments.
I find this argument irrelevant. It does not matter if your trans friends put up with your disrespect and most people would not stand for it. In addition, your trans friends do not speak for every trans person in existence.
Fair point. But I pointed it out, to show the fact that I am not just going to be biased in my argument.
It is not the trans community mocking Christianity, it is just dirtbags. Of course there are going to be trans people mocking Christians, just like there will be cis people, tall people, gingers, elderly people from Ecuador, etc. I am afraid you are drawing conclusions out of no where; you saw one group of trans people say they don't like Jesus people and now decide no trans people are Christian and hate the religion?
I think it is far out to assume that I just saw one group of trans people saying they don't like Jesus. And just hating the Christian community is not the only way to disrespect it. It is also, when you try to change our holy texts, like the Bible, to fit your insane ideology.
By the way, lgbt Christians exist.
No, they don't. They think that by changing the scripture to fit their ways of life, is them being Christians, when in fact they are not Christians.
Leviticus 18:22, it says," You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination.” [1]
That verse alone just disproves what you just said.
I agree with this article, and so do many trans people. 'I was born in the wrong body' is old rhetoric that I think only really was used to help cis people understand trans people. Anyway, since gender and sex are individual things, you are going to get women with a whole range of body types (eg xx, xy, xxy, xo). There is nothing wrong with this and how God intended it to be, people are just hateful. I also know that transphobia is heavily intertwined with racism and is not just 'Christian beliefs'.
Yea, of course you do. It takes the Bible and changes it for your own ideology. For example:
"It is not only right winged Christians that hold onto the belief that being transgender means that there is something wrong with a person."
Immediately in the second paragraph you can see a lie about the Christain community. There is nothing wrong with trans people. It is their beliefs that are wrong, not the person themselves.
"Transgender identity has been labeled as a mental disorder, a birth defect, an abnormality and a variance."
It is a mental disorder. It's called gender dysphoria and is a real thing. So how do we deal with it? We try to help the person come to terms with their born sex, instead of letting them live in fantasy land, and get irreversible surgery that could potentially ruin their life.
"Boiling it all down, it all equals the same message: if you are transgender that must mean there is something wrong with you."
Another lie.
"The amount of data leaves no doubt that transgender people are well aware of their situation even before the concept of sexual orientation enters the mix. When a Christian says that being transgender is a sin or an abomination, they are really trying to tell God that He made a mistake and that flies in the face of all that they say they believe. "
This article is completely going against what Christians and the Bible says. We are not telling God that he made a mistake, rather we are telling the person that they are making a mistake.
"Since some cannot comprehend what being transgender is, they have a hard time accepting that it is ordained by God."
Transgender: Identifying with the opposite Gender/Sex that you were born to. Thats something that God is against.
You can't change the Bible just for your own convenience, that just not how it works. As a Christain, I would rather someone disagree with the Bible, rather than try to change it for their own convenience.
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." - Matthew 7:1-2 NIV
This has nothing to do with the Trans community at all. Please further elaborate.
Ok then facts don't care about your belief in God. According to what you just said, Christianity, Judaism, Shinto, Islam, Taoism, Buddhism and many others are not a thing and should not be adhered to because "facts don't care about your feelings".
I was pertaining to facts about the Bible. Just because you feel like the bible says something different, doesn't mean that you can change it.
Also what do you mean by:
People especially in America don't get that, because we are coddled by all of our riches.
This point has no relevance to the rest of the statement. What do your facts and people being mean have to do with the US's GDP?
I think this whole transgender movement actually stems from Americas riches.
Most people in America don't really know what real struggle is like. Even beggars on the street have enough money to buy a phone in this country. We all have the mentality of being better, even if we don't want to say it out loud. And that leads to people wanting to be different, because they are bored of the same old things. Thats why the transgender movement is so popular among young people, because they are looking for something new to fight for.
Ok so first of all, it is a scientifically proven fact that gender and sex are different, facts don't care about your feelings. If you do not agree please show your sources.
Gender is the way we identify pertaining to the two biological sexes. Prove me wrong. And don't use the argument of," well other people identify as different things" because that is not a valid argument. Prove to me that Gender is not identifying with two biological sexes.
No, there are still two biological sexes. If you are going to go against basic biology, then that just proves how wrong your thinking on this topic is. In the case of intersex people, they still have either XX or XY chromosomes, telling the doctors which gender/sex they are. And usually, they have identifiable characteristics, to tell the doctors what sex they really are. And even then, the intersex community only makes up less than 0.5% of the world population.
Also, to be a different biological sex that male or female, you would have to show different traits completely different than male or female. Like for instance if someone says they are both a male and a female, they will have to have the capability of impregnation, and getting pregnant, which hasn't existed ever in human history.
I feel like you are mixing up actual gender and labels. Gender is a feeling and some people choose to use different labels to describe it, like a tool. There are not hundreds of genders, rather hundreds of labels
So, you're saying that someone who has a label as a male and is a female is actually still a female?
You could put a label that says basketballs, on a box containing footballs, but that doesn't make the footballs, basketballs.
Of course, there were other communities in the world that thought differently.
For example, the social norm throughout history has said that eating other people is wrong, but that doesn't mean cannibals didn't exist.
It's not just western social norm, you proved yourself wrong in your own sentence:
You mean the western social norm. Different cultures across the world have different gender norms. For example, two-spirit in Native American, Muxes in Mexico, Hijras in South Asia, etc.
Those are western cultures.
I am saying that the basic social norm up until now, has been that if you are born male, you are a male, and if you are born female, then you are a female.
No one is identifying as a bird.
Not sure if you were trying to be funny or you are not educated.
Well, I would like to think I was being funny, but it is sad that that is the truth.
If you don't want to change your mind, no one can help you but it becomes a problem when you start being disrespectful, and saying things like "I honestly don't care if someone wants to identify as a bird, or the opposite gender".
I don't think saying I don't care what you identify as, is being rude. It is the complete opposite. I am saying I don't care what you identify as, because you have the American right to do so. I might not agree, but as long as you are not affecting me with it or hurting others, I honestly could care less.
First of all, don't compare being trans to being a furry or whatever,
Well, doesn't it stem from the same concept?
I feel like an animal, so therefore I am an animal.
I feel like the opposite gender, so I am the opposite gender.
secondly these micro-aggressions cost people their lives.
Well just like everyone else in the world, trans people are going to have to learn that not everyone agrees with you. And that's ok. Trans people go on to say that if you don't agree with us, then you are transphobic, but when they are expected to agree with us back, they don't.
The real world is not all fun and rainbows. People are going to be rude to you. And there's nothing you can do about that.
The death of a person is obviously tragic and horrible. But it's not just Trans people getting murdered on the street. It's everyone else too. To say that just trans people are being targeted to be killed and we should only be worried about them, is wrong. There are many strait people who are killed a day.
Sources say that a transgender person is murdered once every three days. But the daily homicide rate in America is 321 people a day.
"International efforts to track the murder of transgender people suggest that a transgender person is murdered at least once every three days."
"Every day, 321 people are shot in the United States. Among those:
- 111 people are shot and killed
- 210 survive gunshot injuries
- 95 are intentionally shot by someone else and survive
- 42 are murdered
- 65 die from gun suicide
- 10 survive an attempted gun suicide
- 1 is killed unintentionally
- 90 are shot unintentionally and survive
- 1 is killed by legal intervention*
- 4 are shot by legal intervention and survive
- 1 died but the intent was unknown
- 12 are shot and survive but the intent was unknown"
So, I would say it is actually wrong just to focus on the dead transgender people, and not the other 300+ people who are also being murdered.
