Biology matters.

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Biological man with a bra knocks the shit out of a biological woman with a chest binder.

Discuss.
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Yes, there is a difference between:

what you want for your body to be,

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what your body currently is.

Hence, the term "trans".

Even with all the surgeries, its not really possible for a woman to become 100% man.

Maybe 50% man, 80% man...ect.

I am not sure about exact number, since there is a terrible disagreement on what man is.
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Wrong. 

Trans is a made up term to mask the mental Illnesses associated with it. 

A man can NEVER become a woman, not will a woman EVER become a man. 

Mrs Piggy is still a pig despite the breast implants, wig, lipstick and dresses. 
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What do we do with those who want to transition?
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Easy solution. Create 2 new leagues for them kinda like we do special Olympics for disabled people.
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Treat the mental illness. 
Stop brainwashing children. 
Criminalize adults who push their children into this lifestyle of debauchery. 
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Socio-psychological evolution.

Changes that are happening.

To deny is to bury ones head in the sand.

Sexual fantasy is internal physiology,

And therefore both are modifiable,

Just as we have very quickly become addicted to information technology.


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"Treat the mental illness."

What if it cant be treated? Do we let them transition? I am just curious about your view.
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The species soon becomes addicted to trends.

So is addiction to IT a mental illness?

It not you're just cherry picking mental illnesses, relative to your own mentally acquired and established likes and dislikes.
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There was a time when veritably crazy people were promoted as shamans in the tribe.
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I am just wondering what happens if a person really wants the surgery to alter his/her body, but society doesnt allow it.
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There was a time when veritably crazy people were promoted as shamans in the tribe.
Now they are promoted as politicians.
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If they want it it, it’s called an elective surgery. No one should pay for it but the one wanting it. But more than that, they must not expect anyone to accept let alone tolerate their personal decision. 
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Those people look like a nearly 100 lb weight difference.
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Metaphorically speaking.

That's still true today.
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Well, there is usually someone somewhere willing to do anything for money.

Nonetheless, in a unified society (yep I know) trans would not have become a socio-psychological and therefore evolutionary trend.

Negative conditioning, would have negated the spread of trans data.

But once you plant seeds in the human mind then things will slowly and inevitably change, it's the nature of the human beast.

12 days later

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We need to stop treating this like it is normal. 

Gender dysphoria is a real mental disorder that can be helped/treated. 
Affirming the person is just going to make things worse for anybody.
"People who are transgender may pursue multiple domains of gender affirmation, including social affirmation (e.g., changing one’s name and pronouns), legal affirmation (e.g., changing gender markers on one’s government-issued documents), medical affirmation (e.g., pubertal suppression or gender-affirming hormones), and/or surgical affirmation (e.g., vaginoplasty, facial feminization surgery, breast augmentation, masculine chest reconstruction, etc.). Of note, not all people who are transgender will desire all domains of gender affirmation, as these are highly personal and individual decisions.

It is important to note that gender identity is different from gender expression. Whereas gender identity refers to one’s psychological sense of their gender, gender expression refers to the way in which one presents to the world in a gendered way. For example, in much of the U.S., wearing a dress is considered a “feminine” gender expression, and wearing a tuxedo is considered a “masculine” gender expression. Such expectations are culturally defined and vary across time and culture. One’s gender expression does not necessarily align with their gender identity. Diverse gender expressions, much like diverse gender identities, are not indications of a mental disorder."


It's the same as if you had a schizophrenic patient and you said to them," Hey, the voices inside your head are real, if you really feel that way." 
"may pursue multiple domains of gender affirmation" is the same as a schizophrenic patient pursuing those unreal thoughts. 


All the people who are faking the disorder, like most of the trans community, should be subject to the same care as a person with actual gender dysphoria. Then we can find the fakers. 

Now granted," It is important to note that gender identity is different from gender expression. Whereas gender identity refers to one’s psychological sense of their gender, gender expression refers to the way in which one presents to the world in a gendered way."

But it's all the same still. You can still be a feminine boy, and a masculine girl. The problem arises, when you tell yourself and others that you are literally the opposite gender.