Ok yes, it is a logical trap, but is my point wrong?
Yes, because the entire point of a logical trap is to pit someone against their own position or against logic itself. That’s not happening here, because the targets of your questioning are using these terms in completely different ways than you are and if you took the time to understand that would see that there’s no contradiction here. But you don’t see it because you continue to pretend that your definitions are the only definitions people can use. That’s ridiculous.
In other words, either define woman without excluding any particular person, that could identify as a woman, or accept that your thinking is flawed.
Or, you could accept that there are different ways to think about things that are not always black and white. That’s why there’s a logical fallacy literally called the black and white fallacy.
If you can’t be bothered to understand alternative points of views, then you don’t get to be taken seriously when you criticize them.
If you're view is different, then why are you arguing against mine in the first place? Oh, right because debating is about conflating different views on certain points.
The fact of the matter is that gender/sex are the same thing.
I’m sitting here explaining to you that you don’t get to be taken seriously criticizing other peoples positions if you can’t be bothered to understand them first and all you did was reiterate that your position is the correct one.
So, in order to be a trans man, you have to have surgery done? What about people who identify as a man, but don't want the surgery?
That depends on the context we’re having this conversation within. I already explained this to you.
Us on the political right are trying to show you that the world is not always happy and nice, and it won't ever be, because there are bad people out there.
Yes, and you are doing a fine job of demonstrating this reality.
If you are someone who has gender dysphoria, there are other, more reasonable ways to fix that desire to become the opposite sex, like therapy. And it has worked before with many people. If you have gender dysphoria, if you really think that making everyone around you bend to your preferred pronouns, and getting life altering surgery, is going to make you feel like a human being, then I am sorry to say, but that's not going to help you, because then you're going to feel even worse because you will have a fake penis/vagina, unstable amounts of chemicals in your body, and have a constant remembrance of who you were born as.
It’s not up to you to decide what will make someone else happy, and it really is quite remarkable to watch someone who knows so little about a subject spend so much time and energy telling others about the solutions to their own problems.
It's ok to have differing opinions, but just because I have differing opinions as well, doesn't mean you get to call me an a**hole
I didn’t call you an asshole because you have a different opinion than mine. I called you an asshole because that is what your arguments amount to. I’m not just sitting here throwing insults, I’m explaining how your actions amount to the definition of the slur. You can either get defensive and take that personally or you can listen to what I’m telling you and reflect upon it.
Again, all people with gender dysphoria are asking you to do is respect them as human beings. Instead of just being ok with that you sit here day after day arguing with people to explain why you shouldn’t have to, and even worse you do it under the guise that you are really doing it for their own good. Not to mention, in the process you repeatedly demonstrate that you don’t have the slightest clue what this conversation is even about.
For the umpteenth time, we are not conflating biological sex with gender. You are. Your unwillingness to separate these things into two different concepts only makes you ignorant to the conversation you are engaging in. You don’t have to agree with the premise, but you don’t get to pretend that’s not the premise.
You continue to talk about facts while completely disregarding the fact that, as an example, the idea that “he” applies to biological males is a human construct. To argue that it cannot be changed is just as absurd as arguing that your name can’t be changed.
Imagine the name on your birth certificate read John, but for reasons personal to you that name now offends you and you have decided to go by Mike. You intend in getting your name legally changed but are not old enough yet or are waiting on the paperwork. Everyone now knows you as Mike, but some dude comes along and says he has no interest in going through the trouble of calling you Mike. He’s going to call you John instead because that’s how he thinks of you. He doesn’t care how it makes you feel and justifies his actions by claiming that you have to live in the real world, and it is just a fact that your name is John.
Please explain to me how this man is not an asshole.
