I asked you:They believed he (Rushdie) has disrespected and insulted Islam i.e had committed blasphemy.What do you believe had caused them to believe this?#27
I asked you:They believed he (Rushdie) has disrespected and insulted Islam i.e had committed blasphemy.What do you believe had caused them to believe this?#27I don’t know, I give up, you tell me.
I totally agree that Muslims should be encouraged to integrate but the hostility towards Muslims, the anti-Muslim rhetoric and attacking their holy book is not really conducive to this and as I said previously it creates a vicious circle of distrust and hate.#24
From the BBC "A suspect was identified, who was also a child, and they were given words of advice by an officer." So not hordes of radical Islamists out to get him. Then we have the “Daily Mail.” A comic for right-wing morons, so I will disregard that one.And next we have the National Secular Society, and one local councillor, Usman Ali who is having a bit of a rant to try and exploit the situation.There are plenty of examples of radical Islam, there are authoritarian theocracies, the Taliban and the Islamic State etc, without people, mainly the media making mountains out of molehills
without people, mainly the media making mountains out of molehills
Maybe that councillor should be suspended though.
I totally agree that Muslims should be encouraged to integrate but the hostility towards Muslims, the anti-Muslim rhetoric and attacking their holy book is not really conducive to this and as I said previously it creates a vicious circle .#24
Elliot, stop being a total idiot
Elliot, stop being a total idiotPlease don’t waste your time trying to insult me; your opinion of me is irrelevant.
As to not facing the facts, the fact that I face and my main contention and it isn’t that I have a fondness for Islam, it is as I have said previously that all this anti-Islam rhetoric can only help promote a vicious circle of hate that can only encourage further radicalisation.
Elliott wrote: I totally agree that Muslims should be encouraged to integrate but the hostility towards Muslims, the anti-Muslim rhetoric and attacking their holy book is not really conducive to this and as I said previously it creates a vicious circle .#24
I agree. Then grow a thicker skin.
Encouraged by whom?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<
Elliott wrote: I totally agree that Muslims should be encouraged to integrate but the hostility towards Muslims, the anti-Muslim rhetoric and attacking their holy book is not really conducive to this and as I said previously it creates a vicious circle .#24
Encouraged by whom?<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<Government policies, local communities, the media and from within the Muslim community itself. The first step would to stop vilifying all Muslims and attacking their faith, integration works two ways.
I don’t know if you have Islamic schools in the US but ....
one thing we need here in the UK is totally secular education.
As to the Didsbury Mosque, here is a comment from the chair of trustees at that mosque. So perhaps they are not all radicals.
What would be the goals?
And I do hope you are not accuse me of vilifying "all Muslims".
What about what the Muslims want?
Elliott wrote: one thing we need here in the UK is totally secular education.What about what the Muslims want?They probably wouldn’t like it,
So how would you go about implementing "total" secularist education on Muslims that refuse to accept it ?
So how would you go about implementing "total" secularist education on Muslims that refuse to accept it ?By the fact that it is secular there is nothing to impose.
So you would abolish Islamic Madrasa's - Faith Schools?I remember in around 2015 there were around 2,000 Madrassa's - Faith Schools in the UK with between 350-500 children being instructed in Islamic Shariah .And I think I remember that after a damming under cover documentary (it may have been Dispatches called Lessons in Hatred and Violence?) exposing that children as young as 5 being taught to hate the west ,the unbeliever, Indians and Jews, that government plans to "regulate" these schools didn't go down too well, although the documentary did lead to one or two of the 2,000 being closed.This may have been it.
So how would you go about implementing "total" secularist education on Muslims that refuse to accept it ?By the fact that it is secular there is nothing to impose.
So you would abolish Islamic Madrasa's - Faith Schools?
So you would abolish Islamic Madrasa's - Faith Schools?I would like to see all faith schools abolished.
So would I. But how would you go about it?Have you ever heard this BBC pinup boy, Medhi Hasan? Has was the "go _ to" Muslim when ever the issue of Islam /Muslims hit the head lines. he is always referred to as a ' moderate Muslim'. I think it was Dr David Starkey that put him back in his box and exposed him for what he really is on BBC's Question Time. I believe Hasan works for Al-Jazeera now?On non Muslims living like animals
Elliott wrote: I would like to see all faith schools abolished.So would I. But how would you go about it?Firstly there should be a policy that insures all schools are inclusive and open to students of all faiths. Getting children from different beliefs, faiths and ethnic backgrounds to mix would go a long way to encouraging integration.
Then introduce a secular national curriculum where religion is only taught within the context of history.
Stephen wrote: Have you ever heard this BBC pinup boy, Medhi Hasan? Has was the "go _ to" Muslim when ever the issue of Islam /Muslims hit the head lines. he is always referred to as a ' moderate Muslim'. I think it was Dr David Starkey that put him back in his box and exposed him for what he really is on BBC's Question Time. I believe Hasan works for Al-Jazeera now?On non Muslims living like animalsElliott wrote: Regarding the video and Medhi Hasan, we all know these extremists exist, they are a menace and they are the ones that get all the media attention.
The majority of Muslims in this country who simply get on with their lives and cause no problems are not newsworthy.
