I think the answer is yes. If you don’t like the rules of your religion, then leave the religion. Not mandated by law, but what I think people should do. I’m not religious; I can’t follow the rules of any religion 100%.
Should everyone follow the rules of their religion or leave the religion?
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no one can follow the highest ideal of Good or evil. seeing as mankind has both natures in them.
but its the attempt to be better than you are/were that counts. Joy is greater than shame. Love makes a place for growth into something greater.
2 timothy 2:9-13 says it best.
9 Wherein I suffer trouble, as an evil doer, even unto bonds; but the word of God is not bound. 10 Therefore I endure all things for the elect's sakes, that they may also obtain the salvation which is in Christ Jesus with eternal glory.
11 It is a faithful saying: For if we be dead with him, we shall also live with him:
12 If we suffer, we shall also reign with him: if we deny him, he also will deny us:
13 If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful: he cannot deny himself.
he will allow us to greatness of flesh and ego (selfish love) aka evil. He will push us to greatness of selfless love and truth aka good.
religion is not pure as it should be, because it doesnt know their god/God/gods. in knowing them, you know yourself, as long as you obey them in works and faith.
no one can follow the highest ideal of Good or evil.
But they should strive to do so if your definition of good is whatever your religion tells you to do.
This means if your religion tells you not to divorce, you don’t divorce. I don’t care if you do. Just don’t call yourself christain if you’re divorced. This will lead to a lot of atheists, and I’m okay with that.
If you believe in Christianity, don’t watch porn or have premarital sex; these both violate your religion.
Virtually everyone lives like an atheist.
If your religion tells youuuu
Stop, stop ,stop
Handbrake.
Screeeeeeeeeech.
See this right here is when people should pull themselves up..........
If your religion tells you not to divorce. You dont divorce.
' alarm soundz '
☆○⊙☆○⊙☆○⊙ Thought experiment Time. ○⊙●○⊙●○⊙○
Play along at home.
Ok get your head blank or whatever yo do .
Now picture a religion telling you something , whispering it in ya ear.
Go
Ten
Nine
And a8
And a7
6
And 5
And a4
3
2
And 1.
Yeah, yeah , I thought so.
Ok cool.
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@TheUnderdog
But There isnt like a group of 5 or so atheists.
And a group of 8 over there.
Group not here .
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@TheUnderdog
Now you go.
But there is a group of yas on this web site.
This will infuriat me. And that would be a point to you.
Good game
Good game.
Do it.
Ya got 1 hour.
Do it.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
But There isnt like a group of 5 or so atheists.And a group of 8 over there.Group not here .Now you go.But there is a group of yas on this web site.This will infuriat me. And that would be a point to you.Good gameGood game.
What’s your point?
In some countries, apostasy is a crime.
if you cannot seperate religion from God, you are a foolish child.
no christian believes in christianity, they believe in Christ.
fools, slow of heart to understand God. you listen to liars and are decieved, yet will not dare to ask God for a relationship, or even speak to him.
there is more hope for a fool than someone who sees themselves as wise. for even the fool will admit ignorance.
If your religion tells you to execute people because other people mock it, you need to leave it.
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@sadolite
Talking about islam, right?
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@Melcharaz
no one can follow the highest ideal of Good or evil. seeing as mankind has both natures in them.but its the attempt to be better than you are/were that counts. Joy is greater than shame. Love makes a place for growth into something greater.
Yeah, that's why you have the penance if you don't "follow the rules". You just need 5 hail mary and 5 our father to be forgiven. What convenient, aint it?
Hypocrisy at its finest.
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@IlDiavolo
in what way is it hypocrisy?
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@TheUnderdog
Although the sentiment sounds fair, who determines what the rules of the religion are?
Is it you or me or the pope or the Archbishop of Canterbury? Is it Jesus and how do we know what rules he made? If it's what is written in the bible, how does one determine how it ought to be understood? Who makes that rule?
And who would determine the rules of Atheism? Or any other religion.
I think the fact that even in Christianity there are so many denominations shows that this is not an easy question to answer.
I'm Presbyterian. and we have a common joke in our denomination.
What happens when you put three presbyterians into a room? 2 New denominations.
It's a joke. Not really amusing - and not really true - but somewhat applicable because presbyterians, like many others, have strong and passionate views - but also hold onto them stubbornly, like a dollar bill. We don't like to give up our truths. or doctrines. or rules.
So although I think your sentiment sounds fair, I just can't see how it would work out in practice. There are over 7 billion people in the world today - and I think that means there are approximately 7 billion ways in which people see the world - and understand the rules they live by.
Is this good or bad? Not really. I think that mostly, people who share particular values - flock to each other. I think that is what is more important. If we don't share someone else's values, we can leave, or seek to change or persuade those whose values are not the same. That of course is a matter for every person to work out.
Should we stay to change the system or should we leave and start our own or find someone who shares our views. Martin Luther - tried to stay and reform the Catholic Church. Soon that choice became redundant as he was kicked out. so he started his own.
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@Tradesecret
Although the sentiment sounds fair, who determines what the rules of the religion are?
Your interpretation of your religion. People have all sorts of ways they interpret the Bible because the Bible contradicts its self. If you’re Christian, you live by your interpretation of the Bible, and if that means going kosher because Jesus never denounced it, you do that. I think Christians should go kosher because their religion tells them too and no Bible verse undid kosher laws.
And who would determine the rules of Atheism? Or any other religion.
Atheism has no rules; do whatever you want as long as your not harming anybody else.
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@IlDiavolo
Does it matter?
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@Melcharaz
in what way is it hypocrisy?
Penance is the best way for a Christian to break the rules without leaving Christianity. Thats what it was created for, right?
I mean, it's rather convenient for hypocrits. Imagine, you have the commandment "You shall not covet your neighbors wife", but your neighbors wife is so hot that it's worth the penance. So, lets bang the milf and go to the church later to pray the 15 hail mary and 15 our father to clear our consciense.
And don't drop on us the "this is not a rral Christian" argument because i'm honestly tired of it.
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@sadolite
Well, yeah. Because to be fair Christianity and islam are not the same, so it's worth the differentiation.
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@IlDiavolo
All religions are different, All I simply said is if your religion tells you to execute people for mocking it your should dump that religion. You can infer what ever you want, I cant stop you.
I think christians need to be reminded how easy it is to become one.
Its So frigging easy.
Watch .
Ok so now thats done.
Im a christian right?
Guys?
Im a Christian.
I have met all the requirements.
I have what all christians have that proves they are a Christian right ?
I got my ( ___________ )*
Along with another ( ___________ )*
And i will soon recive in the mail my ( _________) *
This is more then enough proof, im 100 % a Christian right ?
Thats atheist to christian in under 5 seconds. ( if you require the "Special phrase " )
Alarming isn't it. ?
Easily infiltrated So just be aware of that guys.
Not a problem
Anddd
You are Welcome.
* Absolutely Nothing
If one cannot follow the EXACT tenants of their faith, group, organization, etc. to the proverbial "T," then yeah, they need to leave otherwise they are a living hypocrite to that which they profess to follow and adhere to.
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@IlDiavolo
no worries, its not a matter of what christian is or isnt in this context. its the matter of repentance.
repentance is asking for forgiveness and then turning away from it. not asking for forgiveness so you can feel better about doing it.
if they never turn away from that sin and especially have no intention, God gives them over to a backslidden state and eventually reprobate mind. no one escapes hell with hypocrisy in God's world. infact, God wont even hear the prayer of a hypocrite.
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@Melcharaz
God wont even hear the prayer of a hypocrite.
I'm sorry, but I noticed you always get into contradictions. You're either not prepared about the religion you follow or your religion is contradicted by itself.
How is it that God won't hear someone's prayer? God is pure love according to Christianity, and pure love is unconditional, namely without strings attached. Therefore, God listens to everyone whatever the religion he professes or not. Don't you think it's more logical for your doctrine?
Christianity gives God human traits eventhough God is supposed to be pure love and incapable of send anyone to a horrible place like hell. don't you think it's a more BELIEVABLE explanation?
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@IlDiavolo
if you see me say something that is strange or contridictory, ask me what i mean when i say it.
your concept of God, however you got it, is wrong. God cannot save those who reject his love, but he can still give them life and blessings. the hypocrite is one who says they are something, or claims something and doesnt do it. God wont hear the prayer of someone who wont even admit they are wrong.
But! if the hypocrite acknowledges that they are wrong and sincerely wish to change, God will hear that prayer.
your logic, human logic, doesnt determine scripture or truth. you must abandon your reasoning and ask God to tell you what his perspective is. He doesnt work according to our ideas, we work according to his.
tldr. forsake your concepts, read scripture and ask God what he means. otherwise you will be decieved.
IT GONNA BE THE GREATEST BOOK EVERRRRR.
They all knew....
Its gonna be the most important book made
They knew It will contain the answers to almost everything.
But The writing contributors were split down the middle.
Half of them wer like
' I reckon we do it in like a scripture format.'
Then others
'Present it in a Straight foward manner.'
Back and foward this went on.
' Scriptures '
'Straightforward'
'Scriptures.'
And so it was.
scripture way wins
They went with doing it in a half assed nor hear nor there, most times literally but some times not. A patch of actual history hear. Some wacky fucked up stuff there.
Sooooooo
It was realy only commen sense that L Ron Hubbard received message from fucking. ( ga durp a durp ) the alien dude
And
You know what language he speaks right ?
That alien bastards fluent in scripture.
TO TRULY BELIEVE IN GOD ONE MUST HAVE TO LIE TO ONES SELF
Its a must.
And me mom fair warned me about people like that .
From Abraham to L Ron.
Be them real or be them fake
It is fair and or safe to say .
Gods get guys to do a book for them .
Or like.
God got guys to do a book for it.
Can we agree with that. ?
A simple yes or no?
Anddddd
Could we say .,
" They do it in a ummmm , lets say a "scripture" like way."
Or
" God speaks in scripture. "
Actually theists won't agree on that one .
Well Can i get a
( it appears so ? )
Can you at least give me a
( kinda )
Or to elaborate more.
( It kinda does ) .