Things I would fight for if I am elected president

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Adopting a child =/= raising a child
What's the difference?

And it has nothing to do with being willing to pay a tiny slice of your healthcare so that I don't have to pay as big a slice of mine when I need it, in the richest country on earth. 
The wealth of America is irrelevant.  The average person in America could be richer than Jeffery Bezos; it still doesn't give us any obligation to help others.  Help others if you want with YOUR money; just don't force me to do it with my tax dollars.  The way to do this is by cutting taxes and by cutting spending as well (by not funding socialist programs like UHC).

One merely has an obligation to not harm, not to help.
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Adopting a child =/= raising a child
What's the difference?
You can't seriously believe the $10,000 you quoted was what it costs to raise an adopted child, right? You recognized, certainly, that it costs $10K to execute the adoption of a child, and that the fee doesn't cover one diaper, one stitch of clothing, right? Even if you somehow think that's $10K a YEAR, it doesn't make sense. Do you have children? I do. I can promise you it costs way, way more than $180K to raise a child from birth. AND IT STILL HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH HEALTHCARE COSTS. THe whole point is that while the average American isn't as rich as Jeff Bezos, that doesn't mean by default Jeff BEzos deserves inherently better healthcare and more options than everyone else, while you die because you can't afford another day in a hospital. I don't understand how you can't see this difference, either. 

One merely has an obligation to not harm, not to help.
As I said, this is where we disagree fundamentally, there is no crossing this divide. If I knew you were dying and saving your life cost me $1, I'd never think twice about the $1. You disagree because the $1 somehow then obligates you to adopt every baby available or something. 
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You recognized, certainly, that it costs $10K to execute the adoption of a child, and that the fee doesn't cover one diaper, one stitch of clothing, right?
I meant it costs about $10K a year to adopt a kid you find on the street.  There are homeless kids.

I can promise you it costs way, way more than $180K to raise a child from birth.
how much does it cost to raise a child - Search (bing.com) puts the figure at about $230,000 for 18 years, so about $12500 per year.

THe whole point is that while the average American isn't as rich as Jeff Bezos, that doesn't mean by default Jeff BEzos deserves inherently better healthcare and more options than everyone else, while you die because you can't afford another day in a hospital. I don't understand how you can't see this difference, either. 
Why not?  He earned it.  That's what happens when you produce a company that benefits the entire planet.  Just like he deserves a mansion and I don't.  He deserves 5 star food if he's willing to pay for it and I don't if I am not willing to pay for it.  Wealth privilege is a thing, and it's based.  It also means I get things the homeless don't.  You earn your way in a country that values freedom and doesn't value the theft that socialism and socialists want.

If I knew you were dying and saving your life cost me $1, I'd never think twice about the $1. You disagree because the $1 somehow then obligates you to adopt every baby available or something. 
If you REALLY believe this, then sponsor a starving child; that costs about $1 a day.  All charity should be mutually consensual, not forced by a fiscally authoritarian state.
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I find your arguments facile and ill conceived, so I guess I won't be voting for you when you run for president. The difference between what you're saying and what I'm saying is that I think health care is a basic human right, and you think it's a luxury like a mansion, a yacht or a fancy dinner. Good luck out on the campaign trail. 
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I guess I won't be voting for you when you run for president
It's fine; you don't have too.  I don't lie about my beliefs to gain votes.

The difference between what you're saying and what I'm saying is that I think health care is a basic human right, and you think it's a luxury like a mansion, a yacht or a fancy dinner.
I think healthcare is a necessity, but necessities should not be taxpayer funded.

Good luck out on the campaign trail. 
Thanks.