Can anyone give me a definition that it's followers live up to 100% of the time?
If Matt Walsh can ask what is a woman, I think I can ask these questions.
What is a democrat? What is a republican?
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DEMOCRAT: (US politics) A member or supporter of the Democratic Party in the United States.
REPUBLICAN: (US politics) A member or supporter of the Republican Party of the United States.
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@oromagi
For once your whole post is correct
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@oromagi
@TheUnderdog
@ADreamOfLiberty
Well, I thought this thread was going to turn controversial, but Oromagi seemed to hit the nail on the head.
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@DavidAZ
A very rare thing.
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@TheUnderdog
Hopefully all Americans are Democratic Republicans.
As opposed to Autocratic Monarchists for example.
Or Put and Pings best mates.
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@TheUnderdog
Democrats and republicans are just members of a political group. Being a member on its own means nothing, the meaningful question to ask here is what Isa liberal vs a conservative. Today's republican party caters more so to conservative ideology (although the age of Trump does challenge some of that) while the Democratic party caters more so to liberals.
No one is ever really 100% anything. These are just generalizations, but basically, conservatives are about conservation, so they tend to favor positions they consider tried and true.
Liberals (aka progressives) favor change, so they are far more comfortable with society moving into new and unfamiliar territory.
The gender debate is a clear example of all this. Conservatives fight against recognizing chosen pronouns or gender changes while liberals favor the progression of this issue in our society.
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@TheUnderdog
Can anyone give me a definition that it's followers live up to 100% of the time?
Tend toward global considerations in long term survival of humanity = democrat
Republican is opposite of democrat, for the most part in the above, they only consider of the financial buck nationality.
If Matt Walsh can ask what is a woman, I think I can ask these questions.
Woman has no less than one X chromosome ergo the potential for a womb to exist. Most women have X and compacted Barr Body x.
Man has y chromosome, and yes, man has an X ergo, we would think the potential for to man to have a womb, yet we have no evidence of that being the case.
Some female animals pop-out exact clones of them selves. Here to, we have no evidence of male animals popping-out exact clones of them selves.
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@TheUnderdog
Depends on which party you are "in". I believe registration is required.
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@oromagi
But what do those parties inherently support? I’m trying to stay off of DART for a while to catch up on school so I might not respond, but feel free too if you want.
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@TheUnderdog
-->@<<<oromagi>>>But what do those parties inherently support? I’m trying to stay off of DART for a while to catch up on school so I might not respond, but feel free too if you want.
Inherently? Nothing. Inherent means permanent, essential but poltical party are label appied to complex coalitions of political interests that realign every 2 years. Once Democrat meant pro-Slavery and Republican meant anti-Slavery. Now Democrat means pro-Democracy and Republican means anti-Democracy.
11 days later
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@oromagi
Now Democrat means pro-Democracy and Republican means anti-Democracy.
This is cap. The republicans aren't against democracy. The democracy goes right wing sometimes. DeSantis winning in Florida is democracy.
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@TheUnderdog
THe easiest way to tell is which party is more interested in limiting the number of people who can vote, and which party is interested in making voting more accessible.
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@ludofl3x
This isn't about which party is better, democrats or republicans. This is about what do the democrats and republicans stand for that is consistent with all of their beliefs?
If the democrats cared about making voting easier, this is fine, but what would that have to do with abortion, gun control, vacciene mandates, or Affirmitive action? By your logic, someone can be pro life, anti gun control, pro death penalty, anti vacciene mandates, anti Affirmitive action, and if they want it to be easier for people to vote, they would be a democrat (and vice versa makes you a republican).
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@Double_R
These are just generalizations, but basically, conservatives are about conservation, so they tend to favor positions they consider tried and true.
Here are some things conservatives did not want to conserve:
1) Roe V Wade.
2) Vaccine mandates
3) Affirmative action
If conservatives were consistently about conserving, then they would be pro Roe V Wade, pro vacciene mandate, and pro Affirmitive action.
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@ebuc
Tend toward global considerations in long term survival of humanity = democratRepublican is opposite of democrat, for the most part in the above, they only consider of the financial buck nationality.
If democrats cared just about long term survival of humanity, then they would be pro life because that helps humanity survive. If your pro choice, that's fine, but don't claim the pro choice position helps humanity survive; it harms humanity surviving.
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@Intelligence_06
So if someone agreed with the left 100% of the time but was registered as a republican, they would be a republican? I don't think they would be.
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@TheUnderdog
I'm responding specifically to this post of yours:
Now Democrat means pro-Democracy and Republican means anti-Democracy.This is cap. The republicans aren't against democracy. The democracy goes right wing sometimes. DeSantis winning in Florida is democracy.
It's a one issue post.
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@TheUnderdog
Yes. What would you think joining a party means? At least you have to be registered as one. Just because someone is a weeaboo does not mean they are automatically granted a Japanese nationality. Just because someone is in support of an oil company does not automatically ensure a position.
You can quit the party and switch, even to the communist party. I believe that is what Trump did back in the 2000s, he used to be a democrat.
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@TheUnderdog
For some reason you are thinking in terms of European political theory. There is a fundamental difference that persists to this day which has nothing to do with "the left". It has to do with rationalizations about the issue of slavery.
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@TheUnderdog
.Eb---Tend toward global considerations in long term survival of humanity = democratRepublican is opposite of democrat, for the most part in the above, they only consider of the financial buck nationality.
Udog...If democrats cared just about long term survival of humanity, then they would be pro life because that helps humanity survive. If your pro choice, that's fine, but don't claim the pro choice position helps humanity survive; it harms humanity surviving.
Huh? Udog your confused at best and at worse ____?_____ You need to re-read what you quoted comment above, from ebuc. Nowhere are your words "prochoice" in the quote from ebuc. So you off base and I just tagged you as being out, and sending you back the bunker with other right-wing conservatives, many of which are Trumpeteers { !@#$%^&*()_+ }
If you want to have "prochoice" vs other disscussion, then there are plenty of threads on abortion you can address me in, as ive participated in most of them and very clear as to what I think.
Longer term survival of humanity is many issues involving human over population for the operating systems we have in place, that, are a detriment to ecology that sustains humanity and many related biological species. Ex 50% of coral of the Great barrier reef is gone. Or so I just read or heard few days ago.
Republicans are for most part clueless on ecological issues and the primary causes of these issues. Sort of brain dead erego, my comment above as you quoted
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@ebuc
@Intelligence_06
@Platypi
What common belief unites all of conservatives? Like for libertarians, the belief that unites them is small government. I can respect that even if I don't agree 100%. The belief of a westernite is pro western civilization. I can respect that even if I don't agree 100%. For theocrats, it is whatever their religion says is what goes. I can respect that even if I don't agree 100%.
What common belief unites all of republican beliefs and what common belief unites all of democrat beliefs? I can't think of any 100% consistent answer.
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@TheUnderdog
You addressed none the errors in your remarks to me{ post 21 }, that, I pointed out clearly to you. I think your Trumpeteer and the kind of behaviour weve come to expect from them.
False narrative is the name of the game for most if not all Trumpeteers. You were confused at best and at worse___?__
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@ebuc
This is what you said:
Longer term survival of humanity is many issues involving human over population for the operating systems we have in place, that, are a detriment to ecology that sustains humanity and many related biological species. Ex 50% of coral of the Great barrier reef is gone. Or so I just read or heard few days ago.Republicans are for most part clueless on ecological issues and the primary causes of these issues. Sort of brain dead erego, my comment above as you quoted
If the sole goal of democrats is to prevent overpopulation to save the planet and this includes abortion laws, then why do the vast majority of democrat voters have kids? If democrat voters have kids, they would be going against what their party stands for if this is indeed what their party stands for. Every democrat man would get a vasectomy and every democrat woman would get her tubes tied if this is what the parties stood for.
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@TheUnderdog
Udog...This is what you said:
Ebuc...Longer term survival of humanity is many issues involving human over population for the operating systems we have in place, that, are a detriment to ecology that sustains humanity and many related biological species. Ex 50% of coral of the Great barrier reef is gone. Or so I just read or heard few days ago.Republicans are for most part clueless on ecological issues and the primary causes of these issues. Sort of brain dead erego, my comment above as you quoted
That is not the quote you posted in reply to me in post #16. Do you still not understand the my reply to you in those regards in post #21. Apparrently you do not. Trumpeteer with false narrative or, your still confused. I think your a Trumpeteer who prefers false narrative over truth.
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Next we go on to your new posted quote of ebuc above. So again, nothing there regarding your choice of words regarding "prochoice".
If the sole goal of democrats is to prevent overpopulation to save the planet and this includes abortion laws, then why do the vast majority of democrat voters have kids?
I never stated "sole goal" so again, this a false narrative your trying to project on to me. Typical Trumpeteer behaviour from you over a few posts now, and that is just today. You need to go back --and re-read-- to your quoting of me in you post #16, and specify where that quote is from, for starters. No "prochoice" and no "sole goal" is posted by me, only you.
This is about you learning how to play fair.
If democrat voters have kids, they would be going against what their party stands for if this is indeed what their party stands for. Every democrat man would get a vasectomy and every democrat woman would get her tubes tied if this is what the parties stood for.
I never stated anything about "every democrat man would get a vasectomy", this again more false narrative on your part. You fear addressing what I state, and prefer going off on some false narrative trying to project it on me. Typical Trumpeteer foul play. Sad Udog is not the the underdog, just a dog who likes to play under-handedly.
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@ebuc
I think your a Trumpeteer who prefers false narrative over truth.
I don't like Trump, but I'll give him credit where it's due. Same with DeSantis, Sanders, Biden, Bush, Obama. I'm not a hack.
I never stated "sole goal" so again, this a false narrative your trying to project on to me. Typical Trumpeteer behaviour from you over a few posts now, and that is just today. You need to go back --and re-read-- to your quoting of me in you post #16, and specify where that quote is from, for starters. No "prochoice" and no "sole goal" is posted by me, only you.This is about you learning how to play fair.
Well, parties need sole goals because if they have different goals, they often contradict each other to some extent. Like if you value freedom above all else (libetarians), you would be:
1) Pro choice up until the moment of birth
2) Pro AR 15 and anti background check
3) Anti vaccine mandate
4) Anti ICE
5) Anti mask mandate
6) Anti income tax
7) Anti war
etc
If you value saftey above all else (safetarians), then you would have to be:
1) Prolife from conception
2)Anti gun
3) Pro vaccine mandate
4) Anti ICE (if you value saftey in general) or pro ICE if you value saftey for just American citizens
5) Pro mask mandate (to save lives)
6) Pro income tax (to fund healthcare for the poor)
7) Anti war
etc
If someone claimed to both value freedom and saftey, these values contradict each other a lot as I showed on abortion, vacciene mandates, and more. Freedom and equality contradict each other on abortion (freedom to abort vs equality for the unborn). Saftey and equality contradict each other on vacciene mandates (saftey calls for vacciene mandates, equality wants the unvaxxed to be treated like the vaxxed).
Now if you value saftey other times and freedom other times and equality other times, that's fine. Just make sure it's because it's what you really believe and not what your party tells you to believe. Like if tomorrow the democrat think tank matrix said, "We believe in equality for all; people of color, women, the undocumented, the disabled, and the unborn. Protect the unborn. Ban abortion" and the republican think tank matrix said, "We don't want to fund foster care; that's socialist. Legalize abortion up until the moment of birth. I want to be able to fuck girls without having to pay for a kid because that's socialist. I earned my money; I don't want to take care of others", I guarantee you there is a good chance you would either:
a) become pro life because the democrats believe this
or if abortion is your only voting issue:
b) become a republican and agree with them all the time because they are the pro choice ones.
I'm saying whether banning abortion is left or right should have NO impact on if you believe in an abortion ban personally.
If the democrats said, "We need to build a wall to keep anti choice immigrants out of America" and the republicans said, "family values, small government, and pro life includes not separating undocumented headed families. Abolish ICE!", the undocumented would go republican, but most other people would either flip parties or flip stances based on what the parties now say. I'm saying what the parties say shouldn't impact your beliefs.
You fear addressing what I state, and prefer going off on some false narrative trying to project it on me.
You said that the goal of democrats is to save the planet by not having as many humans. I was saying if the left was consistent with it, then they would get their tubes tied or vasectomies.
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@TheUnderdog
You said that the goal of democrats is to save the planet by not having as many humans. I was saying if the left was consistent with it, then they would get their tubes tied or vasectomies.
False again, and again and again. Here again is the quote you posted of Ebuc, ---#16--
-Eb---Tend toward global considerations in long term survival of humanity = democrat Republican is opposite of democrat, for the most part in the above, they only consider of the financial buck nationality.
No where is there a "goal of democrats" stated by me, anywhere in this thread, and this is third or 4th time you project a false narrative on me. Sad :--((
When you want to address what I stated, then please do so and stop with all of the false narrative projection on to me. Please
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@ebuc
The quote was:
Tend toward global considerations in long term survival of humanity = democrat Republican is opposite of democrat, for the most part in the above, they only consider of the financial buck nationality.
How would getting vasectomies and tubes tied in masse NOT be a part of this goal? And there are times when the GOP isn't too concerned with finances. Otherwise, they would be pro choice because women are expensive.
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@TheUnderdog
Dude, you appear to have mental issues. Typical of many Trumpeteers. You refuse to address what I stated, and instead inject/project your comments over what is stated, as if I somehow insinuate what you state. Kind of nutty of you too keep doing this same head trip in every reply post to me.
I think you need to get a good night sleep and consider what exactly is going on inside your head, cause it aint kosher.
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@TheUnderdog
Why does there have to be one?
Oh, I have one, it is that "Conservatism is good". Doesn't matter what conservatism is. If they think it isn't good, they aren't conservative because they would not be.