The Story About How USA Invaded North Korea Before The Korean War Even Started

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Korea, commanded by General Kim il Sung,
was leading a resistance movement against Japan and was helping allies in WW2. 

Kim il Sung was helping the US fight against Japan.

Syngman Rhee at that time was not even in Korea. He didnt even fight in WW2.

During WW2, USA invaded Korea and established its own government on the south of Korea which it invaded and called it South Korea.
Syngman Rhee was made president of South Korea.

After coming to power, Syngman Rhee committed mass murders of his own people, killing thousands of people in South Korea for opposing to him. The US military helped him do that. They killed men, women and children in South Korea.

General Kim il Sung was deeply upset by this and by the idea that Syngman Rhee, who didnt even fight in WW2, became president of a south occupied by USA.

Therefore, when Kim il Sung decided to attack South Korea, he was merely liberating Korean territory which was occupied by the criminal USA.

Syngman Rhee was equal to Hitler by his crimes in Korea before the Korean war.
Syngman Rhee was a mass murderer, a criminal set up in power by USA.

North Korea never invaded anyone. It merely defended itself and tried to liberate its territory from the US.

There are plenty of people in the USA in 2003 who said that USA should invade North Korea (again) to "liberate it from dictatorship".

Then North Korea built nukes to protect itself.

Then those same people said: "North Korea should give up its nukes".

USA committed even more crimes during Korean war, including mass bombings of civilians which is an equivalent of terrorism.

USA never apologized for its crimes. However, it still kept its own citizens brainwashed against North Korea.

USA should agree to return the south of Korea to Korea governed by Kim Jong Un. It is the only right thing to do.

After killing millions of Koreans, USA has put itself in the place of being the eternal enemy of North Korea. 

As North Korea grows stronger in its nuclear weapons, North Korea is saving millions of lives by working to prevent another war with USA.

If North Korea did not built nukes, US would invade North Korea. That would result in a loss of millions of lives.

North Korean "self-defense ideology" says that no country should invade another.
And really, North Korea in its 78 years of existence never invaded anyone.

USA invaded more than 30 countries and committed plenty of crimes, including being the only nation to use nuclear weapons on civilians. USA's strategy of bombing civilians during wars has gone mostly unnoticed by its own citizens, who still think that their country is actually not a world wide criminal.
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Is South Korea, they call it the War of Northern Aggression.
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Thats funny. You defend your country on your territory, and they call you aggressor.

You invade 30 other countries, and they call you a liberator.
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CHAT GPT advises:

The Story About How USA Invaded North Korea Before The Korean War Even Started" is not accurate. The United States did not invade North Korea before the Korean War began. The Korean War broke out on June 25, 1950, when North Korea launched a surprise attack on South Korea by crossing the 38th parallel, the boundary between the two countries. The United States, along with other United Nations forces, intervened to support South Korea in repelling the invasion and defending its sovereignty.

The statement you provided contains several historical inaccuracies and presents a highly biased and one-sided perspective. Let's address these inaccuracies and provide a more balanced view:
  1. Kim Il Sung leading a resistance movement against Japan: It is true that Kim Il Sung was involved in resistance activities against Japanese colonial rule in Korea during World War II. However, it is incorrect to suggest that he commanded Korea or led the entire resistance movement. There were various resistance groups and leaders operating in Korea during that time.
  2. Kim Il Sung helping the US fight against Japan: There is no evidence to support the claim that Kim Il Sung directly assisted the United States in fighting against Japan during World War II. Kim Il Sung primarily fought against Japanese forces as part of Korean guerrilla groups.
  3. Syngman Rhee's role in World War II: Syngman Rhee was a prominent political figure and nationalist leader in Korea. While he was not in Korea during the war years, he did not fight in World War II. However, it is important to note that his absence from Korea during that time does not imply that he had no role or influence in the political landscape.
  4. US invasion and establishment of government in South Korea: The statement misrepresents the historical context. The United States did not invade Korea during World War II. After Japan's surrender in 1945, the Korean peninsula was divided into two zones, with the Soviet Union occupying the north and the United States occupying the south. This division eventually led to the establishment of separate governments in the north and south.
  5. Allegations against Syngman Rhee: While there were criticisms and allegations against Syngman Rhee during his presidency, the claims of mass murders committed by him and the direct involvement of the US military in such acts are not substantiated by historical evidence. It is important to critically assess such claims and rely on reliable historical sources.
  6. North Korea's invasion of South Korea: The statement's assertion that North Korea was merely liberating Korean territory occupied by the United States is a highly distorted interpretation. The Korean War began in 1950 when North Korea, under Kim Il Sung's leadership, launched a surprise attack on South Korea. The conflict involved multiple actors and cannot be reduced to a simple narrative of liberation.
  7. US bombings and crimes during the Korean War: While it is true that there were civilian casualties and extensive bombings during the Korean War, describing them as equivalent to terrorism is an oversimplification. The conflict was complex, and atrocities were committed by multiple parties involved.
  8. Generalizations about the United States: The statement makes sweeping generalizations about the United States, portraying it as a criminal nation responsible for numerous crimes and invasions. While the United States has been involved in military interventions and faced criticism, it is essential to recognize that historical events and international relations are multifaceted and require nuanced analysis.
It is crucial to approach historical narratives with critical thinking, rely on well-established sources, and consider multiple perspectives to gain a more accurate understanding of complex events.

Let's also remember that South Korea emerged from the war as a free democracy which has enjoyed astonishing liberty and social progress ever since.  North Korea is a hell hole dictatorship where people are not free.  For example, North Korea is listed as the number two country for persecution of Christians based on their beliefs.

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Yeah, stopped reading right there.
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The truth makes trolls wither.
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Chat GTP =/= truth
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CHAT GPT is imperfect but certainly exponentially more objectively honest than you.
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Another trolling thread. 
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You cannot prove that any of this is real or exists.
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CHAT GPT is imperfect but certainly exponentially more objectively honest than you.
Lets take a look at your "more objectively honest" CHAT GPT.


US bombings and crimes during the Korean War: While it is true that there were civilian casualties and extensive bombings during the Korean War, describing them as equivalent to terrorism is an oversimplification. The conflict was complex, and atrocities were committed by multiple parties involved
So your CHAT GPT says
Bombing civilians is not terrorism or crime because:
1) The conflict was complex
2) Multiple parties committed crimes

What your brain dead Chat GPT fails to understand is that "complex" has nothing to do with something not being a crime.
Therefore, ask your Chat GPT how is it true that "conflict being complex makes bombing civilians not a crime".

Another thing that your brain dead Chat GPT fails to understand is
""multiple parties committed crimes = no one committed crimes" is obviously false", but your Chat GPT doesnt know that apparently.
The US is directly responsible for killing millions of civilians in Korea, and for bombing civilian targets. Therefore, it is the US who committed greatest crimes.

Now, if you are going to write an argument, try write it yourself. I dont want to waste more time with brain dead ChatGPT.
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Lets assume it does for now.
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Well, let's discuss your many deliberate anti-historical fake news propoganda lies first and then we can discuss CHAT GPT judgement re: factual statement.

The Story About How USA Invaded North Korea Before The Korean War Even Started

  • This is an outright lie with no factual basis.  The division of Korea along the 38th paralell, with America occupying the South and Russia occupying the North was enacted on Aug 17th, 1945 with enthusiastic Russian support as part of General Order No.  1 of the Japanese Surrender to Americ
  • No US troops violated this border between 1945 while the US tried to re-establish a unified Korea but Russia did not want to give up its control over North Korea.  The US refered re-unification to the UN in 1947.  The UN voted that all foreign troops should leave Korea and free elections be held.  Russia refused to participate, so the UN proceeded with elections in the South, which many Koreans correctly feared would result in permanent partitition.  South Korea held elections, declared themselves a democratic Republic and the UN recognized Seoul as the only legitimate govt. in Korea.  Both the US and Russia pulled out Korea, leaving North and South to to escalate border tensions until Kim invaded the South on June 25th 1950.
  • The UN assembled an army of 21 nations under US overall command and first invaded North Korea, four months after Kim invaded the South.
What compelled you to tell this lie?    Are you lying on behalf of others or just making shit up to troll?  Are you paid to inject these falsehoods into social media?  Do you openly oppose Democracy?  Do you consider perpetual dictatorship a superior form of government

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Yes, At the end of World War II, Korea regained its independence after 35 years of imperialist Japanese rule. Per the Yalta Conference agreements, Soviet forces accepted surrender of Japanese forces in northern Korea above the 38th parallel, and U.S. forces south of that line. Korea was then divided into Soviet (North Korean) and U.S. (South Korean) spheres.
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Syngman Rhee at that time was not even in Korea. He didnt even fight in WW2.  Kim il Sung was helping the US fight against Japan.  


  • Syngman had caused so much trouble in Japanese occupied Korea during the 1910's and 20's that Japan was trying hard to kill him.  Syngman stayed in the US for most of the 30's until the Japanese surrender,  serving as Korea's ambassador and government in exile to the US.  Syngman is the reason that Korea was prioritized to General Order No. 1 governing Japan's surrender.
  • You failed to noe that Kim also fled Korea during WWII.  In 1940, he fled to Vyatskoye and received Russian military training there.  By 1942, Kim was a Major in the Russian Red Army
    • Kim arrived in the Korean port of Wonsan on 19 September 1945 after 26 years in exile.   According to Leonid Vassin, an officer with the Soviet MVD, Kim was essentially "created from zero". For one, his Korean was marginal at best; he only had eight years of formal education, all of it in Chinese. He needed considerable coaching to read a speech (which the MVD prepared for him) at a Communist Party congress three days after he arrived.
    • That is, when Stalin's Russia appointed their Red Army Major Kim to rule Korea, Kim could not speak the  Korean language and had not lived in Korea for 26 years.





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America occupying the South
Thanks for admitting that America invaded the South Korea and installed a puppet regime.

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During WW2, USA invaded Korea
  • 100% False. Even a very easy to read history of WWII would explain to you that you are lying here.
and established its own government on the south of Korea which it invaded and called it South Korea.
  • The US managed the Southern Occupation zone, re-patriating half a million Japanese and overseeing the handover of commerce and infrastructure to Koreans.  When the US could not reach an agreement with Russia about unification, the US turned mgmt of South Korea over to the UN.  Both the US and the UN explicitly worked for a unified Korea, contrary to Stalin's wish to annex Korea.
  • In 1948, the UN created the Republic of Korea, explicitly stating that Seoul was Korea's capital, both North and South and making Synman the first President of the Republic both North and South.
    • Both Russia and the US got out of Korea in 1948 at the request of the UN.


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In 1948, the UN created the Republic of Korea, explicitly stating that Seoul was Korea's capital, both North and South and making Synman the first President of the Republic both North and South.
Yeah, thats how the puppet governments are usually installed.
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Have you heard of April revolution, where South Korean first president killed 180 civilians?


Have you heard of Mungyeong, where first South Korean president ordered the killing of 30 children and eldery?
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Have you heard of Jeju uprising, where the first South Korean president killed about 1000 civilians?


Have you heard of Bodo League massacre, where the first South Korean president killed 200,000 civilians?
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On 26 June 1949, Kim Gu was assassinated by Ahn Doo-hee, who confessed that he assassinated Kim Gu by the order of Kim Chang-ryong. The assassin was described by the British historian Max Hastings as one of Rhee's "creatures".[28] It soon became apparent that Rhee was a dictator.[29] He allowed the internal security force (headed by his right-hand man, Kim Chang-ryong) to detain and torture suspected communists and North Korean agents. His government also oversaw several massacres, including the suppression of the Jeju uprising on Jeju island, of which South Korea's Truth Commission reported 14,373 victims, 86% at the hands of the security forces and 13.9% at the hands of communist rebels,[30] and the Mungyeong Massacre.
By early 1950, Rhee had about 30,000 alleged communists in his jails, and had about 300,000 suspected sympathizers enrolled in an official "re-education" movement called the Bodo League. When the Communist army attacked from the North in June, retreating South Korean forces executed the prisoners, along with several tens of thousands of Bodo League members.[2]


The December massacres were a series of politically motivated executions carried out by the South Korean government following the recapture of Pyongyang by communist forces in the Korean War. The killings took place in South Korea, but mainly in and around Seoul. It is believed the South Korean government executed thousands of people, however accurate estimates are difficult to come by. The Rhee regime received criticism from the international community and the executions damaged his image.
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After coming to power, Syngman Rhee committed mass murders of his own people, killing thousands of people in South Korea for opposing to him.

  • Many Koreans viewed Syngman's election as the end of a unified Korea and the last chance to socialize their economy.  Syngman was unquestionably corrupt and the US's occupation had been ill-managed (No decision-makers spoke Korean, for example).
The US military helped him do that. They killed men, women and children in South Korea.
    •  The govt. lost 92 policemen and 163 civil workers in 3 months of rioting.
    • 240 rioters were killed, 13 by the US military.  
    • A 2010 Truth and Reconciliation committee found that 40 civilians were unjustly harmed during these riots but did not credit the US military with any of these harms.   
    When Kim il Sung decided to attack South Korea, he was merely liberating Korean territory which was occupied by the criminal USA.

    • This is a stupid lie.  When Kim invaded in June 1950, US forces had withdrawn from Korea at UN request.  If So. Korea had been occupied by the US Army at the time of the invasion, the  invasion would certainly have failed within days.
    Syngman Rhee was equal to Hitler by his crimes in Korea before the Korean war.  Syngman Rhee was a mass murderer, a criminal set up in power by USA.

    • Syngman was undoubtedly corrupt.  Roosevelt's govt. opposed Syngman's rise to power and tried to keep him under watch in the US.  MacArthur found Syngman useful and defied the State department by elevating him.
    • It is true that Syngman had to violently surpress several uprisings during his term.  The difference being that Syngman was pro-democracy, pro-civil rights whereas Hitler, Stalin, Kim, Mao were all dictators who used even greater amounts of violence than Syngman to supress freedom and civil rights.



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    Syngman was pro-democracy
    Nothing says democracy like ordering the killing 220,000 unarmed civilians due to them potentially being communists 😁
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    US forces had withdrawn
    Yes, after installing their puppet government. So Kim just wanted to liberate Korea from US puppets.

    By the way, about elections in South Korea, how do you call elections with only 2 candidates both appointed by US? Rigged?
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    North Korea never invaded anyone. It merely defended itself and tried to liberate its territory from the US.
    • This is a terrible fucking lie.  Kim was a greedy dictator trying to rule all of Korea and murder any Korean who opposed him when he invaded in 1950.
    Then North Korea built nukes to protect itself.
    • After it promised to never do so in exchange for billions of dollars worth of food from the US.  North Korea should have kept its promises.
    USA committed even more crimes during Korean war, including mass bombings of civilians which is an equivalent of terrorism.

    • The UN lawfully and democratically ordered the destruction of Kim's invasion and rape of the post-war peace.
    • The US did massive bombing vs North Korea, with an estimated 316,000 civilian deaths.
      • By comparison, the same sources credit the Kim dynasty with murdering ten times that number of civilians.
    USA never apologized for its crimes. 
    • The US has never been found guilty of any criminal conduct in Korea.  South Korea did a massive truth and reconciliation process ending in 2010 that found little American fault in the events of the 20th century, certainly compared to the interventions of Japan, Russia, and China in Korean affairs.
    • By comparison, the Internation community has found the Kim dynasty guilty of 7 separate war crimes.
    USA should agree to return the south of Korea to Korea governed by Kim Jong Un. 
    • Laughably evil.  South Korea is 50 million people enjoying freedom, equality, increadible education, prosperity, and culture.  North Korea by comparison is 25 million living barns and barely able to feed themselves.  North Korea is essentially one masive concentration camp that would self-evacuate  the entire country tomorrow if the well armed dictator wouldn't murder them for trying.
    After killing millions of Koreans, USA has put itself in the place of being the eternal enemy of North Korea. 
    • Americans are the natural enemy of all evil dictators.
    As North Korea grows stronger in its nuclear weapons.
    • China is increasing scared of North Korea insanity, recklessness.
    If North Korea did not built nukes, US would invade North Korea. That would result in a loss of millions of lives.
    • China is far more likely to invade North Korea than US.  North Korea has nothing that the US wants or cares about.  US supports and protects South Korea but most Americans don't give one shit about what happens to North Korea.
    North Korean "self-defense ideology" says that no country should invade another.
    And really, North Korea in its 78 years of existence never invaded anyone.
    • Mentally ill fake news propoganda straight from the puffy lips of the dictator.




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    So, you have proved that you are able to look up the facts about North Korea and your OP also proves that you knowingly, repeatedly ignored those facts in favor of promoting North Korean propganda.

    Ultimately, you try to hold America up to a high standard while blithely ignoring the fact that your masters in Pyongyang were and remain orders of magnitude more creul and greedy and small-minded and vicious than the US government has ever been.  To promote your double standard, you are forced to commit one lie after another.

    You understand what is a lie and what is the truth and you have consistently chosen to lie.

    That makes you an irredeemable troll.  You have zero credibility on this site.  It is important that people seeking information disregard your attempts to corrupt their honest appreciatioin of history. 

    Please go spin your lies elsewhere.
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    After it promised to never do so in exchange for billions of dollars worth of food from the US.
    Lets see.

    1 billion dollars.

    1) Impose economic sanctions on North Korea

    2) Force North Korea into starvation through sanctions

    But you say North Korea is bad because it didnt stick to agreement and built nuclear weapons to protect itself lol

    So the only other options North Korea had were:

    1) not agree and then starve

    2) agree and then get invaded


    most Americans don't give one shit about what happens to North Korea
    Yeah, tell that to Iraq. After invading 30 countries, one should simply hope he wont get invaded, or one could simply build nukes to protect himself.