Cultivating a Fruitful Debate

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In this chapter, we will discuss what a debate is and why it's important to engage in one. A debate is a collaborative conversation where two or more individuals present their viewpoints and supporting evidence regarding a specific topic or idea. The ultimate objective is to reach a well-reasoned and informed conclusion, based on the collective knowledge and experiences of all parties involved. It's important to distinguish between a debate and an argument, as arguments can often involve emotional appeals and a desire to win at all costs, leading to hostility and animosity between parties. Frequently, conversations start as debates but end up becoming arguments due to the failure to follow the necessary steps for a productive debate. Not following these requirements significantly increases the likelihood of an unproductive argument. This chapter focuses on the concept of a debate, while the next chapter discusses the prerequisites for a productive debate. Only after establishing a clear understanding of the purpose and benefits of a debate can we explore the necessary steps for having one.

A debate is a forum for collective conscious development, where multiple parties gather to discuss a topic or idea, sharing new information to construct a more significant idea than any one individual could create. The objective is to contribute to the collective knowledge of the group, resulting in better solutions and theories for addressing problems or finding answers. In a productive debate, participants are open to learning from others and sharing their own knowledge to improve everyone's understanding. By sharing information, all involved gain a greater understanding of the world, leading to improved solutions and theories for solving problems. Unfortunately, not all debates are productive. The aim of this book is to develop debating skills that foster productive collaboration and solutions, rather than hostile arguments that hinder our ability to communicate productively with other parties, now, or in the future.

A productive debate involves constructive and respectful dialogue, not just out of a moral obligation to show respect, but because without valuing and respecting others, they may not continue to contribute valuable knowledge and wisdom. I’m not referring to the knowledge of their words, but rather their underlying wisdom. Their mere existence is a construction of wisdom from their life experience, and they should be respected as such. Everyone's life experiences shape their beliefs and ideas, so it's important to listen and learn from others with an open mind. However, blindly accepting others' opinions as facts is not productive. Instead, one should strive to understand the fundamental principles underlying others' perspectives, which is essentially their life experience distilled into beliefs. By combining this understanding with one's own life experiences, a more competent theory can be formed that incorporates both. By comprehending why someone holds a certain belief, one gains access to their distilled life experience. The goal is not to adopt others' beliefs, but to gain a more comprehensive understanding of the topic at hand.

Many individuals rely on product ratings to make purchasing decisions, as they trust that the rating communicates the life experience of others with the product. By sharing this experience, they hope to avoid making the same mistakes. However, people don't simply value the words of others, but rather the underlying meaning behind them. For example, if a competitor writes a negative review, the reader understands their motives and is less likely to trust their words. Instead, people extract the life experience of genuine dislike from their words, rather than accepting their words as wisdom. In essence, a person's words are a low-resolution interpretation of their abstract life experience. Wisdom does not reside in the words themselves, but rather in the implicit meaning and life experience that underlies them.

A person's beliefs reflect their life experience and accumulated knowledge. Understanding why someone holds certain beliefs is like adding their life experience to your own. By comprehending a person’s beliefs and decisions, valuable knowledge, and perspectives from another’s life experience can be gained without personal experience. Engaging in respectful and constructive debates with others allows for collective knowledge and experience, leading to more intelligent decision-making and problem-solving. Through logically and critically minded debates, individuals can gather the life experiences of many, becoming as conscious as if they had lived all those lives combined. This is how cities and iPhones are built, by gathering the past consciousness of others within books or verbal communication, it’s possible to add the consciousness of another to your own. In debates, it's crucial to understand others' perspectives and to extract the principles or life experience behind them so you can add them to your own. Time and life experience are precious in developing beliefs and knowledge. Debating with others can extract the principles behind their beliefs, helping to gain knowledge and understand how their experiences have shaped them. This collective knowledge and experience lead to increased intelligence beyond that of any individual. Proper debate is essential to gain collective knowledge and experience and become more knowledgeable than anyone could be alone.

When individuals engage in debates with the sole intention of winning, they fail to grasp the essence of what debating truly represents and hinders the development of collective human consciousness. It’s essential to avoid becoming this person as they are unwilling to learn and cannot benefit from the conversation. However, their information and point of view may still be valuable to others willing to learn and adapt. Therefore, it's crucial to only participate in a debate if willing to respect others' thoughts and opinions and contribute to collective knowledge. All participants should adhere to standard humanitarian policy and moral principles for productive debates. This involves each person contributing their life experiences and truths while allowing others to do the same. By forming a collective consciousness, individuals can build their own conclusions based on shared experiences and arrive at the best outcome for knowledge. Anyone who does not agree to these principles should not participate in the debate.

In summary, a debate is meant to arrive at a logical and informed conclusion based on the exchange of ideas between participants, while arguments often involve emotional appeals and a desire to win at all costs, without necessarily being logical or productive. A productive debate involves respectful and constructive dialogue, where participants are willing to listen and learn from others while acknowledging that beliefs and ideas are shaped by life experience and knowledge. By comprehending why someone holds a certain belief, one can understand the distilled knowledge of their life and gain valuable knowledge and perspectives from another's life experience without personally experiencing them. Engaging in debates with others allows for collective knowledge and experience, leading to more intelligent decision-making and problem-solving.
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As outlined in the previous chapter, the objective of a debate is to generate the best solution by combining the knowledge of all parties involved. If your only aim is to defend your own idea instead of finding a solution to the problem, you are being counterproductive and even harmful to the debate's purpose and productivity. By attempting to make the problem fit your solution, you are transforming the debate into an argument and hindering the collective effort to reach the best solution.

To ensure a productive debate, it is crucial to definitively describe the problem in a way that is both clear and mutually understood. In order to avoid confusion or arguments, all parties involved must have a clear understanding of the problem they are trying to solve. Otherwise, they may be presenting solutions to different problems, leading to misunderstandings and disagreements. This could occur because they do not realize that their proposed solution does not address the same problem that the others have in mind. This can cause frustration among all parties involved, as they may perceive others as not comprehending the problem at hand. This can also lead to the belief that the proposed solutions are foolish or irrelevant to the actual problem and that the other parties are incompetent. Unfortunately, it is not uncommon for people to argue for solutions to problems that they perceive differently from others, simply because they did not clearly describe the problem they were trying to address. Likewise, it is essential to clearly express your ideas, thoughts, and concepts in a definitive way.

Your ideas are a complex representation of reality, and it can be challenging to explain them in simpler, more definitive terms. However, if you cannot communicate your ideas effectively, you cannot contribute to the debate, regardless of how revolutionary your thoughts may be. Therefore, it is not only essential to be clear when describing the problem that needs to be solved, but also to learn the words required to properly explain one's thoughts. It is important to have a vocabulary extensive enough to describe your thoughts accurately. Otherwise, you are not describing your thoughts but rather a foolish or incompetent concept that you believe to represent your thoughts, and this will definitely lead to your own confusion as your potentially revolutionary idea is not accepted in the way that you had preconceived.

Frequently, people use words that they think they understand, without realizing they don’t. While this might be acceptable in casual conversations, it becomes a problem in a debate where clear and concise language is crucial to accurately convey one's ideas. In such instances, it is vital to have a vocabulary that can effectively describe one's thoughts, particularly if they touch on a delicate or sensitive topic. The usage of words such as “right” and “wrong,” “true” and “false,” or “correct” and “incorrect,” may be interchangeable in casual conversations. However, to effectively communicate ideas in a debate, it is crucial to understand the nuances of words that may seem interchangeable. Each word has a distinct definition and mistaking them as interchangeable can lead to miscommunication and a poor representation of one’s thoughts.

Additionally, it is important to avoid using ambiguous words without context, such as "good" or "bad." These words lack descriptive qualities, which makes them ineffective in conveying an idea or concept clearly. Instead, it is better to use language that is more precise and objective. For example, rather than saying something is simply "good" or "bad," it is better to say that it is "good for this" or "bad for that," as this provides a more detailed and nuanced understanding of the topic at hand. Similar words that are ambiguous and lack context are, better, stronger, neater, greater, larger, and so on. Altogether, it is essential to avoid using generalized words when one has a more specific word to convey a precise point in a debate.

To have a productive debate, it is essential to ensure that the concept being discussed is agreed upon by all parties. If a concept cannot be agreed upon, then there is no point in discussing it or making any conclusions. It is crucial to clarify that this is not due to an inability to come to an agreement, but rather due to the nature of the concept itself. The concept being debated must be a concrete or objective idea that is not subjective to individual interpretations. If the concept varies between individuals, it is impossible to come to a conclusion by proving or disproving the idea since each individual will interpret the subject differently, and thus making the debate unproductive. Critical thinking is a necessary component of productive debate as it involves discerning facts from opinions. If conclusions are based on bias or emotional opinions, it becomes challenging to come to an agreement since emotions are subjective and vary between individuals. Therefore, it is essential to establish that the issue or subject under discussion is based on objective reality rather than subjective interpretations. This will create a shared foundation for all participants and enhance the likelihood of a constructive debate. While it is possible to debate emotional topics such as morals, they are often contentious and subjective, varying widely between individuals. Conversely, it is difficult to debate the existence of water since it is an objective reality that is consistent for all people.

When discussing controversial topics that are emotionally charged, such as what is the best book in the country, it may be challenging to reach a productive conclusion. However, one approach is to transform the debate into a concrete question, regarding objective reality, which is not subject to individual interpretation. Instead of asking about what the best book is, the question can be reframed to consider which book is the number one best seller. This new question can be answered based on objective reality rather than subjective interpretation, allowing for a definitive conclusion which is ultimately what defines a productive debate.

Engaging in a debate is crucial as it allows for understanding of differing perspectives that arise from individual experiences. Disagreement in a debate is powerful as it represents the culmination of someone's life experiences that conflict with your idea. This creates an opportunity for mutual learning and understanding, as each person can contribute unique knowledge to construct a better understanding together. However, effective communication is essential for productive discourse. It's important to have a clear goal or problem to solve, and to express oneself clearly to ensure that others can comprehend your ideas, ultimately improving their grasp of the topic at hand.

In conclusion, the objective of a productive debate is to generate the best solution by combining the knowledge of all parties involved. To ensure a productive debate, the problem being discussed must be described in a clear and definitive way that is mutually understood. It is crucial to have a vocabulary extensive enough to communicate ideas accurately, avoid using ambiguous words, and establish that the issue or subject under discussion is based on objective reality rather than subjective interpretations. When discussing controversial topics that are emotionally charged, it may be challenging to reach a productive conclusion. However, reframing the question in a concrete, objective way allows for a definitive conclusion, which is ultimately what defines a productive debate.


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In the previous chapter we discussed about the distinct reasons on why people are unable to come to an agreement, be it a lack of decisive and definitive communication of your idea, your lack of understanding of the others communication, or the debate is based on a topic that cannot be debated because it is subjective and varies between individuals. We also learned that by following the prerequisites for a debate we can avoid coming to a nonproductive result or turning the debate into an argument. This chapter will focus on identifying communication breakdowns. In other words, we will discuss how to recognize the reasons behind disagreements and reach an agreement that considers both parties' life experiences.

Understanding why someone disagrees with you is crucial. They disagree because their life experience has led them to believe that you are wrong. If you don't understand their argument, you might be missing vital information. How can you be certain that you're correct if you're missing information or if a certain life experience contradicts your theory? That's why coming to an agreement in a debate is so important, you must understand the reasons for the other person's disagreement with you, so that you can incorporate their knowledge and life experience to arrive at a knowledgeable and logical conclusion. When you say agree to disagree, or that it is okay to disagree, you're essentially admitting that the conversation was unproductive because either someone didn’t share the information that led to their different conclusion, or your understanding of the world is so fundamentally different that you can't even have a conversation. A debate that is conducted productively with the intent of learning and mutual respect but ends in an agreement to disagree is the least desirable outcome. This happens due to ineffective communication where your logic and life experience weren't properly understood, or because you didn't understand the other person's thoughts that they properly conveyed due to a lack of preparation or inability to understand the necessary words. Both of these are indications of a failure to get to the root of each other's different beliefs and extract the life principles that the other has to share.

The process of identifying the communication breakdown is crucial in a debate as it helps to uncover the root cause of disagreement. The goal of a debate is not to prove oneself right, but to gain knowledge and understanding by learning from each other's experiences and perspectives. It can be uncomfortable when someone disagrees with our ideas, as it challenges our beliefs and forces us to reassess them. The purpose of a debate is to engage in a respectful exchange of ideas, in order to understand the other person's reasoning and adjust our own theory accordingly. A debate with someone who mostly agrees with you is not very productive because their views will be similar to yours, and you are unlikely to learn anything new from them. On the other hand, when someone strongly disagrees with your point of view or understanding, it is highly likely that they will provide you with new information about the topic that you were previously unaware of, and vice versa. In such a scenario, both parties can learn from each other and gain a deeper understanding of the topic. Therefore, engaging in debates with people who have divergent views can be a much more valuable learning experience than with someone who agrees with your understanding.

The purpose of engaging in a debate is to find the root cause of why both parties cannot come to an agreement. This process leads to the creation of a new solution that incorporates both parties' experiences, leading to the best possible solution to the problem. It is uncomfortable when someone disagrees with your theory because you want to create a completely true theory that matches with all aspects of the universe. If someone disagrees with your theory, it indicates that your theory does not hold true for them, and it's not universally applicable. Hence, you enter into a debate to understand why the other person disagrees with you, so that you can either adjust your theory to fit their reasoning or give them new information that they were previously unaware of.

It's important to note that a productive debate is a mutual learning experience where both parties gain knowledge and insights from each other. The key is to identify the communication breakdown and work towards resolving it. Once a mutual agreement is reached, it signifies that both parties' life experiences leading up to this point align with the conclusion. This reinforces the likelihood of the conclusion being true and signifies that you are making the best choice possible as it aligns with more life experience.

Logic is a universal concept, which implies that if someone had lived the same life as you, they would likely arrive at the same conclusion as you. In a debate, the goal is to explain ideas, create collective knowledge, and reach an agreement. If both parties have clearly expressed their ideas but still disagree, the next step is to identify any communication breakdowns. This could involve clarifying word meanings, beliefs, or information gaps. Often, disagreements arise due to a disagreement about a contributing factor rather than the conclusion itself, even if all parties have expressed their ideas clearly. Thus, before reaching a conclusion, it is necessary to agree on all contributing factors. It may be necessary to discuss subtopics in depth until agreement on all contributing factors is reached. Once you have identified which subtopic you disagree on, it is important to discover the communication breakdown on that sub factor by determining which factor you disagree upon and working your way down this communication chain to find the root cause of the disagreement. If there is a fundamental disagreement about the world, a productive debate may not be possible. However, understanding the process of working towards an agreement can help in discussing subtopics to understand differences in foundational beliefs. A productive conclusion in a debate can be reached by understanding the other person's perspective and incorporating their life experience with yours. By doing so, it may be possible to identify the importance of their core belief and work together to create a similar foundational model. This can solve the root issue preventing agreement and lead to a productive conclusion.

Sometimes, a contributing factor to disagreement may be the use of certain words. People often assume that others understand or agree with their understanding of a word's definition, particularly in more advanced philosophical debates. However, misunderstandings can occur when individuals interpret the meaning of a word differently. In such cases, the disagreement is not about the idea itself, but rather about how it is represented. It is crucial to understand the nature of the disagreement in order to identify contributing factors such as word usage, and to arrive at a mutual understanding. Once a mutual understanding is reached, coming to a logical agreement is inevitable.

In summary, the goal is to gain knowledge and understanding by learning from each other's experiences and perspectives, and the process of identifying communication breakdowns is crucial in uncovering the root cause of disagreement. A productive debate is often a mutual learning experience where both parties gain knowledge and insights from each other, and the key is to identify the communication breakdown and work towards resolving it. Additionally, you must agree on all contributing factors and identify the root causes of disagreement in order to come to the same conclusion. Once a mutual understanding or agreement is reached, it signifies that both parties' life experiences leading up to this point align with the conclusion. The ultimate conclusion from a debate can only be reached by understanding the other person's perspective, and incorporating their life experience with yours, forming an all-encompassing conclusion that is coherent with the most life experience.


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In this closing chapter, we will examine how to apply the skills we previously discussed in practical situations. The goal is to offer concrete examples of how to put these skills into action. By the end of this chapter, you will be equipped to apply these skills effectively in your daily life, enhancing your ability to communicate and debate productively.

Respect is a crucial component of productive debates, particularly in the sense of avoiding dismissal. It is essential to recognize that every person's perspective has value and that dismissing or disregarding someone's response will only impede progress. By actively listening to and engaging with others' perspectives, even if you disagree with them, you show that you value their contribution to the conversation and are open to considering their viewpoint. This not only fosters a more respectful and productive dialogue, but it also helps to generate the best solution by combining the knowledge of all parties involved. For example, let's say you are having a debate with a coworker about the best approach to a project. Your coworker suggests a method that you initially disagree with, but instead of dismissing it outright, you ask them to elaborate on their reasoning. By doing this, you demonstrate respect for their perspective and show that you value their contribution to the conversation. Through active listening and engagement, you may find that their approach has merits that you hadn't considered, leading to a more productive and effective solution.

Active listening, which involves fully engaging with the other person's perspective and avoiding distractions or interruptions. This can be implemented in any debate, regardless of the topic. For example, if you are having a debate with a colleague about the best approach to a project, you can practice active listening by letting them fully explain their ideas without interrupting or dismissing them. Another example can be during a political debate. During a political debate, it is important to actively listen to the opposing candidate's arguments and perspectives. By doing so, you can fully understand their viewpoints and come up with counterarguments that address their concerns, which can ultimately help you to persuade undecided voters. Active listening also shows respect towards the other candidate, which can help to keep the debate civil and productive. Actively challenging an argument by presenting valid counterarguments and raising new questions can lead to a more productive conversation and a better outcome for all parties involved. Rather than destroying the argument, this approach strengthens it by requiring it to address the issues raised. Through active listening and thoughtful engagement, each participant can contribute to the debate, strengthening the final conclusion by addressing a wider range of issues and presenting more nuanced solutions to the problem at hand.

When you clarify, and better understand the other person's perspective, this can help to prevent misunderstandings and ensure that everyone is on the same page. For example, if you are having a debate with a friend about politics, you can ask them to explain their stance on a particular issue to better understand their viewpoint. This allows for a more informed and productive conversation. Another example is during a debate about a project plan in a work setting. By asking questions such as "Can you explain how this part of the plan would work?" or "What data did you use to make this decision?", you can gain a better understanding of the other person's perspective and decision-making process. This can prevent misunderstandings and lead to a more effective project plan.

Letting your emotions take over during a debate can be detrimental to your original purpose. It not only hinders your ability to gain valuable knowledge from the other person but also prevents you from thinking with sound reasoning. For instance, let's say you're in a debate with a coworker about a project proposal, but your emotions get the best of you. You become defensive and dismissive of their ideas, which prevents any progress towards a conclusion. To avoid this, it's essential to step back and approach the debate logically. Taking a deep breath and focusing on the facts can help you make an informed decision and prevent the conversation from turning into an unproductive argument. Moreover, it's crucial to listen and understand the other person's perspective. Asking questions to clarify their viewpoint can provide a deeper understanding of their position and lead to a more productive debate, resulting in a better outcome for everyone involved.

Identifying a communication breakdown is a crucial step towards having a productive debate. Sometimes, miscommunications can occur due to different interpretations of a particular word or phrase. In such cases, it is important to identify the misunderstanding and work together to find a mutually agreed-upon definition. For example, in a recent debate about environmental policies, two parties were using the term "sustainability" in different ways, leading to confusion and frustration. After identifying the source of the miscommunication, they worked together to clarify what they meant by the term, and they were able to come to a more productive agreement that satisfied both parties. By identifying and addressing communication breakdowns, productive debates can be had, and solutions can be found that incorporate all perspectives. Another example would be healthcare policies, two parties had differing opinions on the impact of private healthcare companies on overall healthcare outcomes. One party believed that private healthcare companies were necessary for innovation and competition, while the other believed that they contributed to the fragmentation of healthcare and increased costs. After an intense discussion, they identified that the root of their disagreement was their differing definitions of "innovation." One party defined innovation as technological advancements, while the other defined it as novel approaches to healthcare delivery. By identifying this communication breakdown, they were able to work together to come up with a mutually agreed-upon definition of innovation that incorporated both perspectives. With this issue resolved, they were able to refocus the conversation on the original question and ultimately come to an agreement that took both perspectives into account.

Reframing subjective topics into objective questions is an effective way to steer debates towards productive outcomes. By focusing on objective reality, rather than personal opinions, individuals can reach a definitive conclusion that is based on verifiable evidence. This approach not only eliminates the potential for unproductive arguments but also promotes respectful dialogue. For example, instead of debating the merits of different sports teams, the question can be reframed to consider which team has the highest number of wins. This question can be answered using objective data, leading to a more productive and effective debate. By respecting the value of each person's contribution to the conversation and focusing on objective reality, individuals can come together to generate the best solution based on collective knowledge and understanding. Another example is instead of debating which music genre is the best, the question can be reframed to consider which genre has sold the most records worldwide. This question can be answered objectively based on sales data, eliminating the potential for subjective opinions to derail the debate. By focusing on objective reality, individuals can have a more productive discussion and may even discover new perspectives on the topic. Through active listening and engagement, the group can generate a more informed and effective conclusion.

Finally, it is important to recognize when a conversation is becoming unproductive and to take steps to redirect it back towards mutual understanding. This can be done by acknowledging any misunderstandings or miscommunications and working together to find a solution or common ground. For example, if you are having a debate with a family member about a sensitive issue, such as religion or personal values, you can redirect the conversation back towards mutual understanding by acknowledging their perspective and finding common values or beliefs that you both share. Another example could be a debate between coworkers about the best way to approach a problem in the workplace. If the conversation begins to become unproductive and heated, one could redirect the conversation by acknowledging that both parties have the same goal of finding a solution for the problem and then suggesting that they take a step back and re-evaluate the options together. By doing this, they can focus on finding a solution together rather than getting caught up in disagreement.


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ty, BOT
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Apples, pears, bananas, mangoes, plums, peaches, nectarines, cherries, oranges, lemons, limes and kumquats.
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I wrote all this myself thank you. I did have the bot carefully refine each sentence but it had many false revisions and took over a week to complete. You obviously haven't used ChatGPT as you would have noticed it has limitations. I don't appreciate your lack of recognition because your foolishly blinded by the cover, as you've demonstrated to me you value the work put into things over their own merits. This is not an admirable trait, and definitely not one of a business man.

Would you thank a crane for constructing a building, or the operator. This is what I say to you.

I challenge anyone to use ChatGPT to tear apart at my claims and statements. How can you say the bot is to blame if you can't even use it properly yourself. If I work at a digging company and learn how to use a backhoe and a skid steer I would be the most powerful and useful in the crew. Surely, everyone would say, well he's the guy with the skidsteer, so it's unfair, but yet you yourself don't learn to use it. You stick with the shovel and say it's easy for his since the machine does all the work. Sure the majority of the hassel is lightend, nonetheless I'm still the one at the controls.
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These forums would be more helpful for others if they were more dense with useful information related to the topic and less invaluable nonsense. I would appreciate anything valuable you could contribute.
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you're making it way too complicated

here's the core of it in 79 seconds,

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Yes, apologies.

But I couldn't resist.
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Dude, it's not necessary to write all your life story. At least, write a conclusion at the end of your post so to see if it's worth the time.
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No problem, I don't mean to be too serious and sometimes I should lighten up a bit. Although if there is anything you would like to share, I would be interested in hearing.
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I intended this form to be of great depth and was attempting to create a solid starting point for the discussion. However, it would be nice if I did start the forum with a brief description of the topic.

Here's a quick description:
This forum is meant to discuss not only the ability to identify whether a topic or question can become productive but also the ability to turn a question that is known to have an unproductive outcome into a question that can have a conclusive and fruitful result. It is also meant to cultivate a mindset that prepares you to learn from a discussion rather than passing off another person's views because you don't understand them. It's meant to bring recognition that your understanding of words is not the exact same as another, even if you speak in the same language. Therefore, you don't express your ideas the same way hence there needs to be an address where you can understand the differences in your language and uses of words so that you can have the most productive understanding of each other's ideas.

Ultimately this forum is meant to take a deep approach into understanding why debates become unproductive, how disagreements among logical participants can occur, and how to identify the problem resolve the problem and then move forward with a newly concluded understanding of one another.

My point is: "If two participants are logical and clearly express their ideas when they enter a debate, neither one will disagree with the other."
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This forum is meant for philosophers and people who want to have a deeper understanding of cultivating a fruitful debate. If you intended to grasp this idea at the depth of a meme, then you should have read a Facebook post.