Suggestions for new discussion formats or website sections

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    I believe some people suggested a few ideas on what it would be interesting to have here, among those things were the big issues, polls and opinions, obviously the same stuff that DDO has. So answering the possible questions: we won't have polls and maybe we'll have big issues and opinions but in some completely different form and that's what this topic is for, to suggest ideas how to improve the already existing formats from the other websites without simply stealing them or propose ideas for the completely new formats.

    So, any ideas?
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    Firstly split up debating from rap battling. I want to be the best of both and not accused of being the best debater because I'm the best rap battler. This also matters because you need to hide rap battles from public eye and make it an optional thing to see, it's rude and a bad image for the site. Once you get rid of them from public view, you can completely show off the debates. You need WAY BETTER moderation of the forums too, people are encouraging laissez-faire when you need strict as fuck moderating to happen to this site. There's too many toxic members allowed to provoke others to become toxic, it's a chain reaction.

    Secondly, you need to give motive to do things. You make a Medium blog where there's no reward for typing a ton and where it's extremely vague what we should be writing about let alone the recognition we'd get for posting to a site that few even on this site are going to read. The rewards system of donating, writing and generally being active are next to none and I don't even mean financial reward, I am talking about recognition, glorifying etc. Currently this site is plagued with users who are so proud to have a 'real life' that they mock and drag down the users who want to do the best hard-work for a site they shouldn't feel ashamed for being passionate about. The most you've done is tell one of the bad users she deserved to be shivved, this is nothing and you need to become more active in moderating too, demote Bsh1 and make yourself head mod like most admins do for starters.

    Thirdly, there needs to be a huge increase in live debating either over text or on voice, this is something missing on both DI, DDO and the entire Internet in general, edeb8 tried but their community was too tiny to pull it off. We need a proper community where we can debate vocally or live at least via IM text. You don't even need to host it, make a special 'live debate' section where people post the entire text of said conversations or whatever.

    Lastly, you need to emphasise the importance of making catchy debates. This is something Wylted alluded to early on, you need a system where active debates (not by views alone but by actual responses, comments, votes etc) also counting views is a must. People are only motivated to make entertaining debates if they know or see obvious fame as a result. That's why this site has so many fewer debates than DDO even in its inactive, early days. This site has no way to encourage or motivate clickbait titles or mainstream debates. People feel it won't be seen and stay away from it leaving only specialists (MagicAintReal) or noobs who are only there for the hell of it (Type1 for instance) to make debates.
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    Is this gonna be DDO 2.0 or a whole new site. The big issues most people never filled out. Better off doing a debate club where maybe teams of three debate each other on big issues or something. 
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    Is this gonna be DDO 2.0 or a whole new site. The big issues most people never filled out. Better off doing a debate club where maybe teams of three debate each other on big issues or something. 
    Yeah, exactly, I don't want to turn it into DDO 2.0. I like the idea of the debate clubs though, I may do some research on that. 

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    Thanks for the comment, I will reply a bit later when I have more free time. 
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    Secondly, you need to give motive to do things. You make a Medium blog where there's no reward for typing a ton and where it's extremely vague what we should be writing about let alone the recognition we'd get for posting to a site that few even on this site are going to read. The rewards system of donating, writing and generally being active are next to none and I don't even mean financial reward, I am talking about recognition, glorifying etc.
    How do you propose we do that?

    Firstly split up debating from rap battling. I want to be the best of both and not accused of being the best debater because I'm the best rap battler. This also matters because you need to hide rap battles from public eye and make it an optional thing to see, it's rude and a bad image for the site. Once you get rid of them from public view, you can completely show off the debates.
    A great idea indeed.

    Thirdly, there needs to be a huge increase in live debating either over text or on voice, this is something missing on both DI, DDO and the entire Internet in general, edeb8 tried but their community was too tiny to pull it off. We need a proper community where we can debate vocally or live at least via IM text. You don't even need to host it, make a special 'live debate' section where people post the entire text of said conversations or whatever.
    I thought about it and I think it may come handy but it would require a lot of development time, I'll try to get to that at some point.

    Lastly, you need to emphasise the importance of making catchy debates. This is something Wylted alluded to early on, you need a system where active debates (not by views alone but by actual responses, comments, votes etc) also counting views is a must. People are only motivated to make entertaining debates if they know or see obvious fame as a result. That's why this site has so many fewer debates than DDO even in its inactive, early days. This site has no way to encourage or motivate clickbait titles or mainstream debates. People feel it won't be seen and stay away from it leaving only specialists (MagicAintReal) or noobs who are only there for the hell of it (Type1 for instance) to make debates.
    It's a decent point as well but again, some specific propositions would be highly appreciated :)
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    More medals. I had a whole list of them that I once posted

    You just need something to get someone motivated to post


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    Yeah, I checked it earlier today, I will add them soon :)
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    I have serious issues with rap battles. If I told a member I was going to force them to suck my dick I could be banned. If I put it in a rap battle it's ok. Seems really hypocritical and juvenile. 
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    You make a Medium blog where there's no reward for typing a ton and where it's extremely vague what we should be writing about let alone the recognition we'd get for posting to a site that few even on this site are going to read
    Yeah, that's true, my idea was that someone may wish to share some knowledge on the subject of debating because there is not that much info on the internet and share a link to the article here and there, not only it would be interesting for some people outside of the project but it could also attract some new people, but it's a long shot, I know, but it took me only a few mins so I thought it's better than nothing. 

  • Wylted
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    Learn how to monetize your site. Have a private forum for paying members that is more loosely moderated
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    Learn how to monetize your site. Have a private forum for paying members that is more loosely moderated
    I am thinking about simply adding ads at some point, it seems like the only way after all, since nobody wants to donate anyway. And it won't be done for the sake of having personal income, just in order to cover the expenses on this site. I work on it most of my free time and people can't help me to find 30$ per month, which is almost my daily salary, that's just discouraging, if to be honest. 

    Regarding your idea, I am not sure if it's a good idea, you can check the thread somewhere in this category where I suggested creating private forums (not for the money, but just for the sake of having them), some good points were brought regarding its negative effects. So it's still a controversial topic, I am afraid. 

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    I am thinking about simply adding ads at some point, it seems like the only way after all, since nobody wants to donate anyway.
    Make it a site people want to donate to.
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    Well, I am trying ... But getting donations is not the main priority, I just wanted to cover the expenses in order to save some personal money. 
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    I can understand the frustration. I hope it works out.
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    Oh well, I guess we'll see
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    I am thinking about simply adding ads at some point, it seems like the only way after all, since nobody wants to donate anyway. And it won't be done for the sake of having personal income, just in order to cover the expenses on this site. I work on it most of my free time and people can't help me to find 30$ per month, which is almost my daily salary, that's just discouraging, if to be honest.
    Right now we're a small and isolated community with relatively low activity, so it may not be realistic to expect much in the way of donations at present. Try not to let it get you down too much. I like the site and I'm willing to be patient. 🙂

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    Sweet
  • Mharman
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    G R O U P      P M
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    I have already explained the situation regarding the PMs system in the platform development thread.
  • Wylted
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    I'll donate tomorrow and monthly. I already am working on the problem creating exclusive content for patreon members. I'll see if I can start donating tonight, but if not tomorrow morning. I have to deposit money into the bank first. This thread ideal is different from yours and many forums have member exclusive forums so it is a tried and tested method for revenue generation.
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    Team debates?
  • RationalMadman
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    Make me mod and I will show you what my ideas are.
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    With the current rules and enforcement, my ideas will not properly work. Toxic members having the reigns can ruin anything and turn other members toxic and defunct any emotional-reward system.
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    I couldn't find it. Sooooo, what is the state of group PMs?