liberals who support banning conservatives on twitter... do you also support those who ban books?

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free speech is a virtue, regardless if the speech is respected by the government or by private citizens and companies. 

so it seems as far as the masses move, liberals are suppose to be opposed to book bans, yet support banning conservatives on twitter. i know not everyone falls into that category, but this is the brainless overall overture, movements. 

i know a lot of liberals on here support twitter banning conservatives. do you also support those who ban books? if you oppose them banning books, why do you not also oppose twitter banning conservatives? 


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Free speech is valuable. Free speech does not lose value if it is applied to social media. Therefore, free speech is valuable on social media.

While the social media is privately owned, it can be regulated to allow free speech. Free speech is valuable on social media. Therefore, social media should be regulated to allow free speech.

Free speech allows the best exchange of opinions. Best exchange of opinions is good on social media. Therefore, if best exchange of opinions is good on social media, free speech is good on social media.

I always had problems with social media, especially YouTube deleting my comments. Sometimes people have desire to voice their opinion. Not being allowed to do that is bad in most cases.
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My view on this is most people don't know the difference between actually banning a book and restricting  books based on age appropriateness.  I believe most of it is deliberate and willful.  A intellectually honest  person would agree that exposing   children under the age of 12 to sexually explicit/violent and adult subject matter  is a bad idea. They don't have the intellectual capacity to understand what is being presented to them. But then again, that is the plan for those who act willfully ignorant. Its easy to indoctrinate children to believe anything. That is the core of this argument, indoctrinating children, not banning books.
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There are reasonable limits on all freedoms, including speech. For example if you go into a crowded theater and shout "FIRE!!", you will be arrested. It is a crime to use speech in that way. 

For the most part, people should be allowed to use free speech online, but within limits. There are certainly people who I would say cross the line and should have their speech restricted. I would say if you advocate for genocide, treason, mass violence etc you should be banned. 

But frankly, it's all moot. Since these are private companies, they can moderate their platform however they want. And trying to legislate them not to would end with them going bankrupt. No one wants to hang around in a space full of KKK members, or anti semites etc. Without the ability to regulate speech on their platform, any social media site is doomed to failure. 
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Does Twitter currently ban pornography to minors?
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For example if you go into a crowded theater and shout "FIRE!!....
-you can say Fire if there is a fire.
-Women's advocacy teaches women to yell fire instead of rape since people don't react to claims of rape.
yelling help or rape may frighten potential witnesses or rescuers away, while yelling fire tends to draw a crowd.


Similarly if you say Biden is corrupt publicly and tending toward authoritarianism, and he is, then you are justified and not an actual insurrectionist (which is a word that is getting fast overused like racist use to be).

We have functioning tort laws to discourage actual harmful speech without arbitrary government intervention. I trust courts and juries over bought and paid for politicians.

No one wants to hang around in a space full of KKK members, or anti semites etc. Without the ability to regulate speech on their platform, any social media site is doomed to failure. 
I get that, but the ratioing, the likes and dislikes, seem to have a way for many of the social media platforms to self-regulate what is acceptable. I particularly like the community guidelines and community notes on Twitter to push back on corporate propaganda narratives. Outsourcing the role of "light censorship" to the users themselves.
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So would you be OK banning books that r dangerous or for the same reasons u support banning conservatives on twitter?
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That’s a lie. Liberals support banning conservatives who LIE ON TWITTER.

i know a lot of liberals on here support twitter banning conservatives. do you also support those who ban books? if you oppose them banning books, why do you not also oppose twitter banning conservatives?
Typically, books won’t print lies. Imagine a publisher agreeing to print a book of lies. They wouldn’t be in business very long or they would gain a reputation for being the publisher of lies. Twitter bans lying conservatives, not conservatives.

Do you believe lies are protected speech?

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overused like racist use (sic) to be
Are you kidding????

It still IS overused, even at DART by intellectual cowards who are inept/flaccid to engage in an honest debate on sensitive subject matter. 

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Oppose book bans, yet support banning conservatives on twitter. 
Books have value. lies and misinformation have no value, they are destructive 
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Pornographic books only have value to degenerates.
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Pornographic books only have value to degenerates.
I think a lonely guy like yourself should have access to whatever books you need to keep your natural urges in check.

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i know a lot of liberals on here support twitter banning conservatives.
I don't know if any. No liberal I know of supports banning anyone because they're conservative, they support banning people who incite violence and/or spread dangerous misinformation. It just so happens that the people who commit such offenses are overwhelmingly right wing.
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 It just so happens that the people who commit such offenses are overwhelmingly right wing.
"Dangerous misinformation" was a term the corporate media made up to justify censorship of talk that threatened their stock prices. Especially defense industry stocks. And it was used extensively during the Iraq war. You are just seeing it a lot on the left wing media lately because Trump is dangerously close to ending the Ukraine war.
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Exactly.

Just as children should not be indoctrinated with speculative religious ideology.
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If Trump does in Ukraine what he did in Afghanistan, even by accident by saying or doing the wrong thing, a lot more bomb factories will be out of business.

We can't have an end to that. It would be UnAmerican, UnPatriotic, and any talk of such would be dangerous misinformation.
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Opposing to any particular behavior of a person can cause violence. All opposing views oppose to a behavior of a person. All opposing views can cause violence.

Therefore, unless view says "There should be violence", view should not be banned.
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No one wants to hang around in a space full of KKK members, or anti semites etc.
This is an assumption.

Allowing free speech allows all different ideas. Allowing all different ideas would increase the amount of different ideas. Allowing free speech would increase the amount of different ideas.

Increasing the amount of different ideas is necessary for best exchange of ideas. Therefore, free speech is necessary for best exchange of ideas.

If KKK members are minority in society, and society uses internet, then KKK members will be minority on the internet. On all sites, if all allow free speech, in most cases KKK members would be a minority. If their views are wrong, then they would be easily disproved by overwhelming majority.
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I suppose we will find out soon if enough people will risk it all to stand against tyrannical censorship.
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-you can say Fire if there is a fire.
true. But if there isn't, then your speech is a crime. Thus confirming that this is an example where free speech is limited. 

-Women's advocacy teaches women to yell fire instead of rape since people don't react to claims of rape.
that is true. Because most police aren't going to charge a victim of sexual assault over this. But is a crime they could be charged with (in the right circumstances).

Similarly if you say Biden is corrupt publicly and tending toward authoritarianism, and he is, then you are justified and not an actual insurrectionist (which is a word that is getting fast overused like racist use to be).
no he's not. He hasn't done anything "authoritarian" that multiple other presidents (including trump) didn't also do. And what "treason" is would certainly be tricky one to define. 

We have functioning tort laws to discourage actual harmful speech without arbitrary government intervention. I trust courts and juries over bought and paid for politicians.
There are already laws that limit free speech. This isn't some new concept i'm suggesting. It is how the law works right now. You do not, and have never had, completely free speech. 

I get that, but the ratioing, the likes and dislikes, seem to have a way for many of the social media platforms to self-regulate what is acceptable.
what social media platform has ever made that work?

I particularly like the community guidelines and community notes on Twitter to push back on corporate propaganda narratives. Outsourcing the role of "light censorship" to the users themselves.
I'm guessing you mean since musk took over? Twitter has been going downhill hard since then. Filling up with right wing trolls, people calling for violence, antisemitism etc. The idea that users can do "light censorship" as a replacement for moderators is a joke. And twitter is steadily declining and likely headed for bankruptcy unless something changes. Their revenues are down like 60% since musk took over. The value of the company has fallen by half. 
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So would you be OK banning books that r dangerous or for the same reasons u support banning conservatives on twitter?
not really. I mean, for some very extreme examples maybe. If you write a book a book calling for the extermination of an entire ethnic group, I'd be ok with that book being banned. But for the more mundane evil rightwing assholes spew I don't think there is a reason to ban the book. The main reason is reach. In order to be exposed to that crap in a book, you have to choose to go buy the book. In order to be exposed to that crap on social media, you just have to have an account on that social media site. You can't choose to not see it. 
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If free speech is going to be sacrificed for profit, then profit is more valued than free speech. In a situation where they choose between free speech or profit, they choose profit. They choose profit over free speech if they value profit more. I agree that call to violence is bad, but other than that, free speech should exist. Since social media is the main communication place, it makes sense to desire free speech over profit in the main communication place. Therefore, it makes sense to desire free speech on social media.
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on facebook, conservatives can be banned just for not being politically incorrect. it might not be wrong or dangerous. i'm sure the same happens on twitter. there's an obvious left wing bias in the media and social media. so even if it's not techncially conservatives being banned for being conservative, it for practical purposes is that way. 

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Who determines what is:

 lies and misinformation 
Who?  The thought police?  The Ministry of Truth.  Some pencil pusher who takes a quote out of context?  What about the media who spin everything to a particular voice?

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also i dont know what world ya'll live in, but books can contain all the same misinformation and lies and dangerous ideas. i dont know why ya'll are trying to split hairs to argue with me, when you should just be agreeing with me, that books should be treated the same as social media. 
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the supreme court says lies are a protected body of speech. of course not all lies, but in general. what twitter should do is just put a disclaimer on the problem posts. i know there are a lot of people who purposefully lie, but my impression is that most those guys are just guillible and stupid. free flow of ideas is important. defeat wrong info with disclaimers and with truth. that's the american way, regardless of if it's twitter or the government. 
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You never answered my question.
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i would be guess almost certainly that twitter bans porno to minors. i dont know why this is a relevant question, cause no one thinks everything is protected speech.