How Do You Know When The Devil&#39;s Playing Tricks?

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@Logical-Master

Show me the passage where "writing the Bible" is in the devil's house. Failure to do this will result in the end of this conversation.

Are you asking for a passage from the bible? That would be pointless, the bible is full of lies so if that passage existed it would be a lie, or would be the only truthful passage in the bible designed to bamboozle all the bible believers because the devil is the master of the lie.

Which door would your brother tell me to choose?

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@MagicAintReal

If we're talking about the POSSIBILITY of there being a deceptive trick in the Devil's house, you have to admit that at least the writing of the bible, being that it's a deceptive trick, is POSSIBLE to exist in the devil's house.

If it's the case that the Matrix is in fact a real thing and deceiving humans' life is in the house of the matrix, then yeah it's possible we live in the matrix.
If it's the case that Valdemort being transsexual and a twin of harry potter is in Valdemort's house, then it is possible he is a transsexual twin.

It's almost as if you haven't read a single word I've said throughout this conversation. Either that or you're just trolling me. :\

Why is this type of deception just not POSSIBLE in the devil's house?
This is where you've dodged.

And that's 'mate:

^Straight to the point, but this is the general gists of what I was getting at with the Matrix/Harry Potter example (reductio ad absurdum aside). No sane person spends their life worrying about every single remote possibility out there. It's possible the devil wrote the Bible and also possible that the moon is chocked full of spare ribs!

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@disgusted

Are you asking for a passage from the bible? That would be pointless, the bible is full of lies so if that passage existed it would be a lie, or would be the only truthful passage in the bible designed to bamboozle all the bible believers because the devil is the master of the lie.
Which door would your brother tell me to choose?

It's full of lies so wouldn't that also subject the notion of the devil being the master of lies as also being lie?

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@Logical-Master

Yeah it's terribly confusing trying to believe all the contradictory guff you are indoctrinated with, but that's the benefit of indoctrination, nothing you believe needs to make sense.

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@Logical-Master

Is being made of barbecue food in the house of the moon?

Oh, so you wrote another stupid analogy ignoring that deception is in the devils house again.

Youve flailed and failed to answer how the possibility is very real given what you expect from the devil and not the moon, harry Potter or the matrix.

I knew I was right and you confirmed it here.

Dieect questions sank you due to your futility.

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@MagicAintReal

Why is this type of deception just not POSSIBLE in the devil's house?
This is where you've dodged.

*7 posts earlier*

Straight to the point, but this is the general gists of what I was getting at with the Matrix/Harry Potter example (reductio ad absurdum aside). No sane person spends their life worrying about every single remote possibility out there. It's possible the devil wrote the Bible and also possible that the moon is chocked full of spare ribs!

Like I said, that's mate, lol.

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@Logical-Master

remote possibility out there.

Why is the devil writing the bible a remote possibility?

Seriously, you've not said why.
The moon being made of spare ribs is not expected of the moon.

Why is deception expected of the devil, but not that particular deception?

This is mate on you...you've objectively lost this exchange...I'm sorry, you're of no more intellectual value to this conversation because you've failed to answer.
Noted.

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@MagicAintReal

Why is the devil writing the bible a remote possibility?

Seriously, you've not said why.

lol.

Thanks for playing! Have a good one! =D

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@Logical-Master

It's funny that a guy named logical master doesn't understand that using a special pleading fallacy (it's always expected of the devil to deceive, except for writing the bible) isn't indicative of goalposts being moved.

Logical-master, you have been accused of being illogical because you are special pleading deceptively writing the bible from the general rule that the devil is capable of deception.

This is not moving the goalposts.

This is having you explain how it is that bible writing is exempt from devil deception.

Special pleading is not answering, you should know that given your name.

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@MagicAintReal

It's funny that a guy named logical master doesn't understand that using a special pleading fallacy (it's always expected of the devil to deceive, except for
writing the bible)

;-)

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@Logical-Master

When is the devil not expected to deceive?

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@Logical-Master

John 8:44

"You belong to your father, the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

Hahahaha I beat logical-master at both logic and religion.

1. Logical master special pleads "deceptive bible writing" to the general rule that "the devil is capable of deception."

Logic point lost.

2. Logical master tries to say that claiming that the devil is always deceiving is a strawman, but his own book proved him wrong.

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@MagicAintReal

lol.

https://ebible.org/kjv/Job.htm

=)

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@Logical-Master

Right, I cherry picked that "there is no truth in him" which is an absolute, not subject to gradation by anything else.
Do you have any reason to doubt John 8:44 that there is NO truth in the devil?

If there's no truth in the devil, then we would expect him to always be deceitful.

This fits in line with writing the bible deceptively.

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@MagicAintReal

If there's no truth in the devil, then we would expect him to always be deceitful.

Nope. https://ebible.org/kjv/Job.htm

See the first two chapters. No deceit involved whatsoever. And that's mate again. No more (goalpost shifting) mulligans. =)

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@Logical-Master

That didn't negate anything about no truth in the devil.

You've lost sir...bow out now.
Your bible says all lies for the devil, you've admitted deception in his house, you've given no reason to doubt that the devil is capable of deceiving people by writing the bible, and you've special pleaded, contrary to the general rule that the devil is capable of deception, that the devil is incapable of deceiving with the bible.

John 8:44 and logic require that you bow out or just admit that writing the bible sounds like a deception the devil would be capable of.

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@MagicAintReal

You said "it's always expected of the devil to deceive, except for writing the bible." I showed you a whole book of the devil not deceiving anybody. That's mate, again. No more mulligans. =)

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Is John 8:44 correct?

"the devil, and you want to carry out your father’s desires. He was a murderer from the beginning, not holding to the truth, for there is no truth in him. When he lies, he speaks his native language, for he is a liar and the father of lies."

In Job, the devil says a few things and they were lies, because there is no truth in him, i.e. deception is always expected of the devil.

Is John 8:44 correct or incorrect?

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@MagicAintReal

Of course it's correct. It's your hyper-literal interpretation of it that is false and the book of Job is proof. Just because the devil is a liar does not mean it is an attribute he always employs.

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I know the devil's playing tricks when I see theists ignoring their own book about how he's absolute evil and has no truth. Aren't the theists supposed to be the bible thumpers...lol.

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@MagicAintReal

God created the devil for reasons we will never understand and intentionally made him so he would do bad and bring about bad, knowing he would do so, but through the lense of somebody looking through an infinite timeline, it was for the best. He could destroy satan at any minute but wants him to exist and do what he does.

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@Wylted

In your estimation could the Devil have written the Bible?

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@MagicAintReal

It sounds possible.

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Not sure why he would paint himself in a bad light though.

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