White House issues marching orders to media outlets

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Cristo - Biden tried to influence the media.

Double R - But Cristo tried to manipulate the media too. So Cristo can’t really be against trying to influence the media.

Is this what happened? No it did not. That’s why you don’t understand the tu quoque fallacy
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Yes. Yes, you are. I only need to read your meandering, “So, am I guilty of a ‘you too’? Ok, yes, sort of. But is that a fallacy? No, because of the 10x worse aspect I pulled out of the air and you have no argument blah blah blah…” Talk about weasel wording.
You do understand that accusing someone of hypocrisy on its own is not a logical fallacy, right?

Since you need an argument, even though it was initially implied and you failed to pick up on it, here:

The Whitehouse memo constitutes a conflict of interests, and Oliver Darcy’s failure to push back on it in any way shows he has no problem with a conflict of interest on behalf of the Biden administration.
Not a single word of your OP suggested a conflict of interest. You talked about a WH memo distributed and a CNN anchor doing what it asked suggesting we should be surprised. That at worst is an alignment of interest, which is completely different. And given the prior 4 years, is not remarkable, which was the point I made in my initial response before you were blinded by being called a hypocrite.
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Cristo simply can not admit he misapplied the tu quoque fallacy because he did not take the time to understand what he was talking about.

The irony is he was trying to sound smart by throwing out one of the many logical fallacies that conservatives seemed to have a fetish about crying on this site.

We keep seeing them, especially from TWS, crying strawman fallacy, appeal to authority fallacy, ad hominem fallacy, etc… almost always incorrectly applied
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What fallacy would you say it is, Captain? Red herring maybe? The tu quoque can overlap into a red herring fallacy. It’s a 2 in 1!


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I like the revised definition of "Trump Quoque"
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You do understand that accusing someone of hypocrisy on its own is not a logical fallacy, right?
Why, yes! Yes, I do. However, that is not what you did. Let’s go back to your Post 88 to examine yet again what I mean:

Tu quoque is Latin for “you too” which is where the name comes from. Did I engage in a “you too”? Well, kind of. I mean you can say I did even though my original post pointed out that what Trump did was ten times worse, so the idea was that your apathetic attitude towards Trump’s transgressions by comparison is bad not because he did the same thing, but rather because what he did was far worse. But whatever, for the sake of argument, sure, I engaged in a “you too”.

Does that make it a logical fallacy? No, because once again… you never presented an argument to begin with and discrediting your point whatever that was was not the point. I’ve even acknowledged that there is something wrong with what the Biden WH did so why discredit something I agreed with in the first place? The point was that the only reason you think this warrants attention is because of your political bias.
The last sentence which you declare to be your whole point, says it all:

“The point was that the only reason you think this warrants attention is because of your political bias.”

You are saying that my hypocrisy on a political matter (assumed by you, true to form) illustrates my political bias. Because of that bias, my position can be ignored. Now, compare to the examples I previously listed:

It involves rejecting someone's views because of their supposed hypocrisy. A to quoque fallacy example is: Alice advised us to exercise regularly; Alice does not exercise regularly; therefore, her recommendation must be rejected.”

“Parent: “You have to clean your room, it’s too messy.”
Child: “But your room is messy too, so why should I listen to you?”

Hannah: “I think that global warming is the most important issue of our time and everyone should acknowledge that.”
Mark: “But you drive an SUV, therefore you can’t actually believe that.”

Clearly, this:

discrediting your point whatever that was was not the point.
is a lie. It’s past time you own up to it, but I won’t be holding my breath.




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This is reminding me of the guy who would rhythmically pound his head against a brick wall. Someone went to him and asked, “Excuse me, but why on earth are you doing that?”
“Oh, because it feels sooo good when I stop!”
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People gonna go all Pikachu faced when people who hate Trump will vote for him anyway because of all this bullshit.
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I’m not so sure, but maybe…

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What fallacy would you say it is?
There was no fallacy argument made. Your attempt to call Double Rs’ argument a tu quoque fallacy was flawed.

Cristo: “Biden gave marching orders to the media!”

Reality: The White House has no control over any credible media source.

End of story 

New argument

Trump routinely spoke privately to prime time FOX NEWS hosts while president. He even invited some of them to speak and endorse his campaign at his rallies.

This was inappropriate and an ethical lapse on the part of FOX NEWS. Some FOX producers were aghast by the network’s flagrant violation of ethical journalism standards.
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You: Double R rejected your argument Biden did something wrong because Trump inappropriately used the media at his rallies.

Me: So… this constitutes sound reasoning to you?

You: Eh… that’s not the point! Your misapplied fallacy is the point!

Me: https://youtu.be/HNy--_r5eW0?si=_jto_4XR8Yg3zQPX
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Reality: The White House has no control over any credible media source.
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As a Commission, the FCC is a U.S. government agency independent of the Executive Branch and is directly responsible to Congress.
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You: Eh… that’s not the point! Your misapplied fallacy is the point!
So you finally admit it

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 independent of the Executive Branch 
Just like every alphabet agency with members and secretaries appointed by the Executive branch.


The FCC is directed by five commissioners appointed by the president of the United States and confirmed by the United States Senate for five-year terms, except when filling an unexpired term. The U.S. president designates one of the commissioners to serve as chairman.

Big head scratcher why a "request" by the Whitehouse to the "free" press matters.... but lord forbid the Whitehouse requests an investigation into Ukraine corruption or election irregularities. Now that there is an improper crime of treason punishable by a firing squad!

Or in the words of RR, 10 times worse!

Left tribe corruption? No big deal! because they said it was for a good cause. And everyone knows the ultra-rich elites on the left actually do care about you because the ultra left wing media that they own keep reminding us daily!

In fact 4 out of 5 "experts" agree it is 10 times better!
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See, this is clearly 10 times better!




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It’s very sweet of you to tag team in your bud’s defense like this. Do you think he needs a breather?
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You should give some benefit of the doubt on this. Perhaps the 10x factor was rigorously and mathematically derived?
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You are saying that my hypocrisy on a political matter illustrates my political bias. Because of that bias, my position can be ignored.
That’s not what I argued. The position which you hold and the seriousness with which you hold that position are two different things. Pointing to hypocrisy addresses your seriousness, which is absolutely valid.

The position which you originally espoused was already addressed by that point. Here, let me remind you:

Your OP:
Marching orders given; marching orders gladly recieved! Oliver Darcy at CNN dutifully reports on the White House issuing instructions to media and proceeds to follow those instructions in the very same article without even a hint of irony or self awareness. It must be read to be believed:
So he dutifully follows without a sense of irony, which is unbelievable. That was the point made - that it’s so difficult to believe a news anchor would align themselves with a presidential administration.

But is it? Well, here’s my reply:

In the previous administration we saw prime time cable news anchors appearing on stage with the president at his rallies, one of those anchors was known to have nightly conversations with the president discussing White House strategy.

I fail to see what you’re pointing to here that we didn’t see ten fold in the previous administration which you didn’t seem to have any issue with.
I fail to see what you’re pointing to here that we didn’t see ten fold in the previous administration… As in, your example is most certainly believable.

Not a single word before the italics addresses you personally in any way, that last half line could have been an after thought. So by the time I engaged in a “you too” there was nothing left to refute (to the extent there was anything there from the start).
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That's true. Math and politics can be quite nuanced.
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That’s not what I argued. The position which you hold and the seriousness with which you hold that position are two different things. Pointing to hypocrisy addresses your seriousness, which is absolutely valid.
Wow, what a bunch of equivocating double talk. As it usually is with you…

So he dutifully follows without a sense of irony, which is unbelievable. That was the point made - that it’s so difficult to believe a news anchor would align themselves with a presidential administration.
Ah, so now you are saying I was making an argument… after a number of posts where you insisted I wasn’t making an argument in order to weasel out of a highly literal interpretation of one of several possible definitions of an ad hominem tu quoque.

*Yawn* Your posts are more effective than Sominex. If my posts are as obviously invalid and pointless as you opine, I have to wonder why you are nevertheless compelled to respond to them so regularly. I can only conclude that my posts threaten your sensibilities in some way which you won’t admit. That, or you are like really, really bored… as well as “a glutton for punishment.”


“Person X doing something wrong can be ignored because Person Y did a similar  transgression but to a worse degree.”

Does the above constitute sound reasoning to you?

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Too bad mathematics is rooted in white supremacy…
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but lord forbid the Whitehouse requests an investigation into Ukraine corruption or election irregularities. Now that there is an improper crime of treason punishable by a firing squad!
You are living in an alternative reality.

Trump tried to get Ukraine to announce an investigation into Biden to help with his reelection. It was corruption. That’s why he was impeached.

Trump lied about the 2020 election being rigged or fraudulent. It was corruption. That’s why he has been indicted.

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It’s very sweet of you to tag team in your bud’s defense like this. Do you think he needs a breather?
You mean like a teacher needing a breather from his idiot student?

Or a zookeeper needing a breather from the monkeys throwing feces?

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Too bad mathematics is rooted in white supremacy…
Whites are definitely 10 times worse.
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Teacher’s pet!
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Idiot student! So you admit he is the teacher and you are the failing student with a dim future 
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The FCC prohibits broadcasting false information about a crime or a catastrophe if the broadcaster knows the information is false and will cause substantial “public harm” if aired.
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You best ask for his permission before you take over for him. He might believe he can handle this by himself. I know, the arrogance of such a thought…
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Yes, it would be a shame what could happen if you refused a Whitehouse request.