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@Greyparrot
The war of 1812 was legal. Lol
White House issues marching orders to media outlets
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@Double_R
When you say it is "unremarkable" do you accept this behavior as the new norm then?
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@Greyparrot
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@Double_R
My point, before I brought your personal behavior into the mix, is that it was unremarkable compared to the prior 4 years,
*sigh* This is… a tu quoque fallacy! Note: not a LITERAL “you— Cristo71 as in me” but “Biden’s opponent, Trump did it, too!”
“Biden did x. Not good.”
“So what? Trump did x, but worse.”
“Tu Quoque ("You Do it Too!"; also, Two Wrongs Make a Right): A corrupt argument from ethos, the fallacy of defending a shaky or false standpoint or excusing one's own bad action by pointing out that one's opponent's acts, ideology or personal character are also open to question, or are perhaps even worse than one's own. E.g., "Sure, we may have tortured prisoners and killed kids with drones, but we don't cut off heads like they do!" Or, "You can't stand there and accuse me of corruption! You guys are all into politics and you know what we have to do to get reelected!" Unusual, self-deprecating variants on this fallacy are the Ego / Nos Quoque Fallacies ("I / we do it too!"), minimizing or defending another's evil actions because I am / we are guilty of the same thing or of even worse. E.g., In response to allegations that Russian Premier Vladimir Putin is a "killer," American President Donald Trump (2/2017) told an interviewer, "There are a lot of killers. We've got a lot of killers. What, do you think our country's so innocent?" This fallacy is related to the Red Herring and to the Ad Hominem Argument.
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@cristo71
Clinton did X
Bush Sr did X
Bush Jr did X
Obama did X
And on and on
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@Vegasgiants
Beeatch, you still here??
Usually, I would ask for proof, but… your predictable style of “argument” makes that pointless…
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@cristo71
It's a new martial style, the pigeon.
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@Greyparrot
“Compared to what Trump and Fox did, Biden and CNN’s hiccup is unremarkable.”
“Is Biden comparable to Trump?”
“Hardly!”
“O…K… Is CNN comparable to Fox News?
“As if!”
Is it just us… or…?
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@Greyparrot
When you say it is "unremarkable" do you accept this behavior as the new norm then?
It's certainly a shift in the Overton window. That's not a good thing at all so we need to fight back against it, but right now there are far more important battles to concern ourselves with.
Trump right now is a coin flip away from another term. The guy who tried to end American democracy, the guy who has pledged to go after his political opponents, the guy who wants to gut the entire federal government so he can make loyalty to him the number one job requirement. But we're supposed to be concerned with a WH memo asking media outlets to spend more time on a subject they find pressing. Give me a break.
And the fact that it's the same people who would vote for a second Trump term suggesting this is a worthy focus of our time... That is what I find most remarkable here.
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@cristo71
sigh* This is… a tu quoque fallacy! Note: not a LITERAL “you— Cristo71 as in me” but “Biden’s opponent, Trump did it, too!”“Biden did x. Not good.”“So what? Trump did x, but worse.”“Tu Quoque ("You Do it Too!"; also, Two Wrongs...
Ok, let me make things even simpler:
You: "X is unbelievable"
Me: "Here are examples to show why X is actually unremarkable..."
That's not a Tu Quoque. Do you understand the difference?
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@Double_R
Trump right now is a coin flip away from another term.
I have heard a similar line of reasoning before. I was watching a David Pakman show recently, and he had a guest (I forgot the guest's name, but it's irrelevant)
Anyway, the guest made this argument: If there were a significant number of people on the left that truly believed Trump was a Nazi Fascist, then wouldn't they have a a clear motive and a moral obligation to cheat in the election to prevent Trump from returning as president? I thought that was a pointed take, and it seems to line up with your response.
I am reminded of this quote:
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.
And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
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@Double_R
Here are examples to show why X is actually unremarkable..."
In your own view, Biden is not comparable to Trump; Fox is not comparable to CNN. And I will add, because you didn’t seem to hear me the first time, Hannity is not a news anchor. And Fox staffers were livid about it, fyi. Yet you compare them when it is convenient for you.
We can add “false equivalencies” to the list.
Edit:
“Here are examples to show why X is actually unremarkable..."
All of which involve “Trump did it, too!”
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@cristo71
What did you just call me? Say it again
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@Greyparrot
Pigeons!!!!!!!
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@Vegasgiants
Ooh! I bet you wash your whites with bleeatch.
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@cristo71
Take it up with the mods
I was watching a David Pakman show recently,
Why am I not surprised
Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster.And if you gaze long enough into an abyss, the abyss will gaze back into you.
Gee, that’s deep
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@Vegasgiants
Does this mean we can’t play anymore? Oh, fiddlesticks!
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@cristo71
Yeah you got nothing
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@Greyparrot
But what about the pigeons?
YouTube videos
The concession is complete
I guess trolling with youtube videos is allowed
Nothing like a good troll thread
I got all day
What?
Huh?
Potatoes
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@cristo71
How's your thread going? Lol
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@Vegasgiants
Frankly, it seems to be THE thread of choice currently. A low bar in this wasteland of a site, I know…
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@cristo71
Cool. Let's do this on ALL your threads
I'm in