Christianity as a vehicle for white nationalism

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A conversation for another day. My point here is that it's ridiculously easy to speculate the worst of a viewpoint and then claim people who believe said viewpoint are going to commit atrocities (or that the risk of people committing atrocities is too high),  so the viewpoint should be dropped altogether. It's not a very intellectually compelling tactic.
Then why use it?
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Christianity as a vehicle for white nationalism
Predominantly in America due to obvious historical, demographic and political factors. It’s also a large country both population wise and geographic.
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Interpretation, misinterpretation and reinterpretation Trade.

All indicative of uncertainty rather than a definitive answer.

So you need to prove something that you cannot prove.

And I do not need to disprove something that cannot be proven.

Status quo relative to alternatives.

But always enjoyable to interact from time to time.
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To demonstrate.
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Opposed to directly addressing what he said.
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It is a form of addressing it. If they have a problem with my made-up logic, they should recognize it's their own logic and understand why their logic is stupid.
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Just saw this... you implying this user is a Wylted alt?
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Many conservative teachings of Abrahamic faiths are harmful though. Evolutions survival of the fittest with all it encompasses, is not equivalent. 
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Looks the most like one.
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He randomly states stereotypical allegations to China despite me barely mentioning it. This is wylted behavior.
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I certainly doubt that they are Russian.
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. Cite your examples, I have a feeling your examples may not be as radical or scary as you're making them sound. If the FBI can label a social media picture of a an AR-15 and rosary as a sign that "OmG tHE CaTHOliCs aRe BEcomInG DoMEstIC TerROrisTs," then I have into call into question how much "white nationalism" is actually present in your examples

They seem like a threat to the lives of the people governing them to me, especially considering the large amounts of cops dead and standoffs

women's voting rights being promoted by Christian women to the point where Christian men eventually agreed.

Now My sister's are pushing your children to cut off their penises at 8 years old and turning your country into a 3rd world nation through immigration and socialist policies that the 3rd world implements just before their own ruin.
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Interpretation, misinterpretation and reinterpretation Trade.

All indicative of uncertainty rather than a definitive answer.

So you need to prove something that you cannot prove.

And I do not need to disprove something that cannot be proven.

Status quo relative to alternatives.

But always enjoyable to interact from time to time.
I see you avoided the question completely.  I will take that as a concession. 
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Remember that the American Psychological Association (APA) in 2015, after a five year study on devoutly religious people, said they will now consider an unassailable belief in a deity or a higher power to a point where it impairs one's ability to make conscientious decisions about common sense matters, as a mental illness.


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I suppose  we could say that about anyone with an obsessive interest in something.

Does there come a point at which indoctrination becomes self perpetuating and self limiting...I sort of think there does.

Though I'm sure that it could be argued that a general interest /disinterest in all things, is also counter-productive...And relative to material progress that is perhaps true...Obsessiveness perpetuates intellectual and  material progress.

Old religions were once a progressive ideology and motivated intellectual and material development....But those days are long gone.

The old hypotheses have long since been debunked, and obsessively perpetuating them has become a self limiting, stagnating and oftentimes destructive obsession.

The destructive nature of old guard obsessive nationalism is all too apparent in Eastern Europe at the moment.

Two steps forwards and one step back...Which may or may not be a bad thing...Stops us getting ahead of ourselves.


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Nope. 

See above.

Obsessive stagnation is temporarily interesting, but eventually becomes disinteresting.

We're never going to move on.

Until the next time Trade.
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It's possible if you want to. Sadly, you are content to be where you are, although the contentless is illusionary. That might of course be the result of booze or something else.  

Still, nice chatting. 
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Hopefully we are both content to be where we are.

Yes, nice chatting.
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yes, I am content here in Australia. 
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Do you argue that anyone who believes in an Abrahamic religion is potentially an inherent threat?
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The whole "Russian woman looking for an American man" is also pretty weird, so it wouldn't surprise me.
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They seem like a threat to the lives of the people governing them to me, especially considering the large amounts of cops dead and standoffs
I'm impressed you found an example, since the "Catholic Church being investigated by the FBI" example was a complete dud. Keep in mind, that when I asked for your examples, I was scanning for more BS in your argument, and that you still need to prove this movement has a significant chance at becoming mainstream within Christianity.

Per your admission here...

Not yet but they could be with some finessing 
...it already isn't normal, and per your admission here...

We also have examples we can use that could aid white nationalists into both a more digestible form of white nationalism and a path towards normalizing  hate within Christianity in the freemen movement that can be found in certain parts of Appalachia
...it isn't even being currently normalized; the best argument you have is that there is a path where white supremacists could use movements driven by anti-Jew conspiracy theories to have a path, that they could use to radicalize some Christians and no other members of other religious affiliations, which could be used to make hate within Christianity more mainstream, which could make hate within Christianity mainstream.

Again, it's all an intellectually weak "what if" argument, but not as weak as this:

Now My sister's are pushing your children to cut off their penises at 8 years old and turning your country into a 3rd world nation through immigration and socialist policies that the 3rd world implements just before their own ruin.
...HUH?! This argument makes no sense; it's laughable even.

Your contention is that Christians could become so radically conservative that they become hateful through the "what if" argument you presented. Now, when I provide with you an example of Christians tearing down hate, you argue ideas being promoted by the progressive left and opposed by the conservative right (including transgenderism, LOL) are the fault of Christians because we pushed for letting women vote 100 years ago, when the ideological makeup of America and the issues of the day were radically different.

That's just wild. I don't even have any words at the moment to explain why this argument is stupid, but I do think the argument speaks for itself on that fact.

Also, based on an opinion expressed by another user in this thread, I have a feeling you are just a troll. If that's the case, you failed at trolling me. Unless, of course, you believe the goal of trolling is getting people to laugh at you.
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I don't think you understand.

it isn't even being currently normalized; the best argument you have is that there is a path where white supremacists could use movements driven by anti-Jew conspiracy theories to have a path, that they could use to radicalize some Christians
Yes I have argued this but not in some fear mongering way like you are insinuating. Instead I am helping white nationalists create a potential blue print to have more political sway. 


I have argued why Christianity is a good vehicle for pursuing that goal, mainly the combined gullibility of christians, mixed with the fact that religion can b a shield for racist activity and you can't call it out because it is bigoted to call out religious movements.

Jewish people are essentially supremacists of their own race and they use religion to be shielded from being called bigots and pushing political agendas that help them but harm every other racial group, such as open borders, and Marxism. Things they inherently acknowledge are bad for society and why their own nation rejects it. 

So we essentially have a model through the freeman movement as well as the christian identity movement for how Christianity can be used as a vehicle for white nationalism and they also can use the same techniques Jews do in promoting their own race above all others. 

It is advice for white nationalists being provided in this thread not necessarily a criticism of Christianity as you seem to think though the premise has not been stated
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No, it depends on the practice. Though the more traditional the teachings are, the more valid they are.
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Honestly that's even worse. See ya.
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How so? 

You do know that if you want to do a risk analysis you'll get better results if you throw some red teaming in there?
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I'm not playing your games, Wylted.
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Wylted is sexy man with huge schlong and a God tier IQ.

I am sexy russian lady who is midwit. 2 different things