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"Your son leaves your religion, what do you believe should be done to him?"
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@Castin
Unlike in Islam and Judaism where it is stated that adherence to the rules is more essential than faith, in Christianity it was made very clear in New Testament that works without faith if one knows about and can stick to Christianity (so not people in Iran blackmailed out necessarily, though they do know about it) then it is actually as bad than those totally rejecting Christ.
I do not fully understand this because for example it would literally mean that someone faking being Christian that tries a lot but lacks the faith plausibly ends up in Hell while someone with a past with severe sin can repent and end up in Heaven if their faith is true.
This is also why I like Catholicism and Orthodoxy asserting that works truly do matter, though this means lacking confirmation, baptism, confession etc doom one to Hell as those are key works too, not just giving to charity or helping others.
I do not know what to tell you but here is what I know. I kind of agree with him. Even if somehow they end up in Hell, people adhering to Bible that lack true faith can end up being decent citizens and family members more than most faiths or atheists can. The reason is that Christianity is capable of explaining how to be both selfish and selfless at once in a way literally no other religion can or does. Old Testament parts from Judaism do not fully cover the 'how' of that.
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Harmony is Taoism's entire focus even if that harmony is with extreme evil.
Therefore this is true.
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I would be careful trusting them. There are also debates especial rap battles I wish do get expunged completely.
I was demonic.
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@Barney
AdaptableRatman2AdaptableRatman, himself
I never voted Savant for mod.
And this duplicated me.
It also failed to count my no-vote to a domain change.
I outsmarted the AI in every single way🙏
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@Barney
I vote yes to prohibiting slurs but if you don't, at least ban all the other stuff mentioned. You counted my vote as a no.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
So no. Catholicism does not believe that raping and murdering a child in a black sacrament to Satan is in any sense morally equivalent to jerking off outside of the fact that if you are in a state of grace while doing either of them you will no longer be in it after committing the act. I would HOPE that a priest would also impose different penances for those two acts,
Both offend God to equal extent as per logic of our Catechism that extent is a maximal level known as mortal level.
They also therefore equally doom one to Hell if one dies without having had it absolved. The exceptions are for those not yet confirmed or without access to confess to a trustworthy Priest yet. They may get to just confess to God and beg.
Currently I am like that as I am waiting towards confirmation to do the confessional stuff. I really pray I don't die too soon.
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This is a savable quote.
Shall I prove it from logic in the Catechism?
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@WyIted
This is a family friendly site and many under 18 visit.
Mods must clean things up and stop this talk.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Degrade me as a dog, say many things to me, votebomb on multiaccounts and get away with it.
Yeah you sure deserve modhood. 🤦♂️
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@Sir.Lancelot
And why would I trust you?
In fact look how yoy made this thread to instigate the resistance agianst it?
Look how you instigate flamewars in threads or drama by @ing the people you see as having grudges or who will wins the other one up.
You are not somebody I trust with power.
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@LucyStarfire
The way Catholicism sees it, it is an abomination against God and basically guarantees Hell until you repent of it.
Then again the Cath doctrine says we never know for sure if one goes to Hell so idk.
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@LucyStarfire
I didnt say it is 10x as evil though
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@Sir.Lancelot
You should have thought of that before treating me like a piece of dirt the 3rd or 4th time over in our history.
This time it came after being a sycophantic fake fan the moment I got promoted. I guarantee you that is why you are not getting voted, it is not just your policy. You are ezposed as the site's most severe backstabber but you think I am.
In my case it is my policy.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Grave vs venial is actually binary.
I also presumed there was a scale but masturbating is considered as evil as murder and rape in Catholicism, I am not joking.
It is binary. It is grave ir venial by its very nature then becones mortal or just grave depending how knowledgable one was it was a sin and how lucid/awake/sober etc they were when doing the act.
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@Sidewalker
Your conduct towards me when I was a mod implies you are faking accepting that it is undemocratic.
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@Barney
For me it will be dangerous to even keep the screenshot I think. Since there are American mods maybe they can. Disseminating it even as proof of it happening seems a crime unless obviously sent in a very official way.
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@Mharman
Both banned.
I seriously thank God that can say I did not take this position in my history. I did not realise how fully fully illegal it is to even jokingly defend when I was younger.
The primary reason I did not ever take the position is I knew it happened and there was so much evidence for it. So, I literally realised you cannot defend the denial in any remotely logical way. I seriously did not fully realise that to devil's advocate that literally lands you in deep trouble for the rest of your life when I began on DDO. I knew it was a no-go but I didn't realise it was that extreme of a nogo in Europe akin to defending p###philia etc.
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@WyIted
Imagine someone who is young and naivd taking the debate to troll or just experiment.
Now if they ever go to Germany or sonewhere, they can be deported and banned. Furthermore, idk how clear it is to all yoyng teens that this is not a legally tenable stance to even jokingly defend.
I thank God I didnt get baited to this ever.
Some here are 13-16 man. In a way it is better Mharman accepts it than them, for their legal status later.
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Thank God I was demodded before this. This is something that would make me step down.
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PROOF OF CORRUPT MODS
They allow Mharman to do it???
Why do they ban Chap470 and allow Mharman to do same stuff?
Ban it all.
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Site will get banned in Europe and European users will maybe need to hand over devices to get fully checked if this site hosts holocaust denial and they actively use it.
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@David
Please please rerun question 3 where you let people defending slur use agree to ban the other stuff mentioned.
It is essential the stuff below that is not allowed. Id accept banning slurs too.
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@Lemming
I voted you assuming you will conform if a mod in charge of you tells you to accept profile pics are bannable.
I cannot be on a website that has hitler pics and engages in Holocaust denial.
It is legal jeopardy. It is essential you rethink your position once in power. I know you are resistant to peer pressure but consider that you also need to respect laws of Europe and its history if you want users from there to safely use the site
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@David
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Yes.
1. Myself
2. Lemming
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@Lemming
He also helped end the slave trade, would you ban all figures that owned slaves then?
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@WyIted
See, both wings enable the double standard that the modern Right pretends only the Left makes.
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@Lemming
Why should Jefferson be a banned profile pic? I am curious how you see it.
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@David
Proposition 2: Should the website be rebranded to a different domain name
B. No
Proposition 3: Updating the COC
If you will allow slurs at least add the rest of what you suggested.
If you ban slurs stop doing these leftist double standards. All racism to whites, heteros and males gets clamped down on too. Insulting the masculinity of a cis male must be as cancellable as that of a trans male, do not enable modern double standards that both wings enable but the stereotypical Leftists more so.
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@David
Part 1: Should DART bring on new moderators?
You need to decide it yourself.
Notice that after I got demodded, your mod actions have matched what I suggested.
While you were gone for long periods of time between your sparse debates, Whiteflsme led the site so libertarian that it became what you returned to. It is a choice.
He let the threads continue. You can realise that or not.
The users here will vote against me because they want another enabler, one who will punish only victims that fight back and barely ever the popular scum that the initiate and/or continue the cycle of abuse here (how can he do that consistently if he is one of the ones doing it?).
You want new mods, you agree with me it is you David that strives to own this site. Do not let WF and his supporters sway you. You only like recent moderation because he stopped being what he was before and that is thanks to you and I.
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@David
- I cannot be a moderator or proceed to engage with a website thst allows Holocaust denial debates to occur. This will have actual consequences for me to be associated with.
I cannot be part of it. Thus, if the debate by Wylted baiting Con to take that stance is permitted and unpunished that is to me the sign of all signs from the Lord that I don't belong here.
I live in Europe and love Europe. I will not defy the laws. That is 100% a dealbreaker. I appreciate you cleaning up the website but I cannot be a contender if you actually don't stop this.
I advise any American mod here to realise if they travel to Europe or move this is enough to permanently deport and ban them.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Thou shalt not murder.
It is doctrinally unfeasible to do that and expect Heaven especially if the drive is revenge rather than defense.
I would say I hope they repent but are the guys that did it still alive?
How do you know it was not the Black man btw?
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I cannot be on a website with holocaust denial allowed on it.
So if that continues even for my mental health I need to quit instantly.
It is a legal threat to my wellbeing.
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@ultramaximus2
And how does flat earth theory lead to anywhere the same outcomes as Holocaust denial?
They are not comparable to be banned. At most NASA and space stuff has to worry.
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@ultramaximus2
How is it the same as flat earth?
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@Sir.Lancelot
Do you notice WF as chief mod is letting Barney take all the heat?
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@ResurgetExFavilla
No, America is further. American Ghettos are 4-5x as deadly, ruthless etc as west europe or scandinavian ones.
The path is not to ruin btw. Europe will make a return soon. It already is. This time without the sociopathic activities that violated the sanctity of other nations.
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The reality is that all websites run as dictatorships, not democracies. The autocracy ultimately lies with the owner but at times is delegated down to someone like Whiteflame here for an owner-manager dichotomy.
You need to realise that and it will help you be at peace with it even when it goes a way you don't like. It is simply a fact.
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I am grateful this didnt happen while I was modded. The drama from this is at least hitting the mods who let the place rot for so long and finally had to stop it. I am also happy David is back. I can tell the his influence is good.
I am maybe seeing God's plan here now. 🤍🙏
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@ResurgetExFavilla
Ill debate later on this.
Jesus was not nearly as egalitarian as people think, based on even the holy Gospel of Matthew among other books. Jesus chose all 12 Jews as apostles representing 12 tribes and he chose 69/70 all Jewish overall apostles with the exception Luke ending up as a Hellenised Jew anyway.
Jesus presents himself in Gospel of Matthew, multiple times, as the one encouraging the Jews to lead the gentiles better and be better than them. He literally criticises the Pharisees not for their superiority complex but because they act just as superficial and 'earthly' concerned as the Gentiles and other criticisms along those lines.
I realise I'd need to be a lot more careful typing this as a Jew but since I am not one, I can simply say it how it is. He genuinely was not quite what many Christians think imho. He was Zionist just that the Zealot brand was directly opposed to Pharisee and Sadducees mentality in how to lead the gentiles best. Zealots were there to lead all into the Kingdom of the Lord, Sadducees were the total isolationist ethnic supremacist hardline tribalists and Pharisees were the more higher functioning variant of what Sadducees were, more interested in balancing Tribalism with pragmatic extraversion to the Romans etcm as well as more knowledgable of scripture.
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@Swagnarok
UK is getting a bad rap for that when it is a fact that Germany, France etc censors far more severely. It is actually because UK is more open to truly free press laws that the press there is exposing a lot more.
Starmer is actually approaching the norm in Germany or France, as opposed to being shockingly new in severity.
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@LucyStarfire
Can you clarify that my reply in 0 ways at all denied Holocaust?
That image is dangerous as it doesnt make clear what my reply said
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@Swagnarok
The website will literally become illegal to participate in for users like me if it actively hosts holocaust denial. It is a serious no-go.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
For a guy who talks so highly of European regimes and political thinkers elsewhere on the site, insulting West Europe so severely is not becoming of you.
America is far more degenerated away from family values and most things you claim to stand for, than Europe is.
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@Sir.Lancelot
I respect Spartans. They were fierce warriors and often up agaisnt much more violent and abusive regimes. The men were also as genuinely masculine as it gets.
This is also an AI made pic and seemed to have Roman aspects to it but I didnt put Roman in the prompts. It also is a subliminal message to Wylted.
You do not respect the Catholics and actively condemn the faith. Therefore, you are appropriating with a Baldwin IV profile pic.
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@LucyStarfire
And so?
Christianity didnt exist yet. Thus they had not rejected Christ. If I have Muhammad Ali as a pfp am I suddenly s Muslim?
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I am with you backwards.
Genuinely advocating for the genocides Stalin did as heroic and pushing him as a hero are dangerous to allow. I do think it is strange that Communist regime logos like the literal logo of what Stalin used (hammer sickle, the USSR flag too) are allowed to be donned legally in Europe where of course all Nazi
stuff is banned to ever dare show/don.
Both should be banned, not just the Nazis. There is no way at all to be a so-called good guy USSR Tankie. The regimes of Tankies were consistently genocidal and abusive and USSR was statistically the worst or on par with some.
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@Barney
You are learning the instincts needed to run a place like this.
What you are doing wrong is leaving unclear the rules.
Holocaust denial violates European Law. It is similar reason why full antivaxxer stance is dangerous to have here as even much of Asia and South America would want to ban the site then.
Full antivaxxer means people literally against vaccinations themselves as a whole, trying to convince others of it. It also would include any midway stance but that is my point. We need to be careful because law is law.
We must obey.
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@Mharman
The revolution...
Has already begun.
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