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@CarboniferousIndividual
Your first 3 debates here are unrated / standard and most experienced debaters dont tryhard in unrated/standard.
You can set character count low to help you.
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@LucyStarfire
But he is simply wrong on every count.
Christianity consistently values safety over freedom unless battling against direct evil in which case it gets grey area.
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@WyIted
Let me know if you read the passages fully.
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@WyIted
Concerning Retaliation38 “You have heard that it was said, ‘An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth.’ 39 But I say to you, Do not resist one who is evil. But if any one strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; 40 and if any one would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; 41 and if any one forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. 42 Give to him who begs from you, and do not refuse him who would borrow from you.
This backs Europe self defense law style far more then US one amd especially makes its 2nd amendment sinful.
Love for Enemies43 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ 44 But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust. 46 For if you love those who love you, what reward have you? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47 And if you salute only your brethren, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same? 48 You, therefore, must be perfect, as your heavenly Father is perfect.
You are held to 24/7 surveillance and have severe Hell to fear if you do anything wrong, even evade tax.
Concerning Almsgiving6 “Beware of practicing your piety before men in order to be seen by them; for then you will have no reward from your Father who is in heaven.2 “Thus, when you give alms, sound no trumpet before you, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may be praised by men. Truly, I say to you, they have their reward. 3 But when you give alms, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, 4 so that your alms may be in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.Concerning Prayer5 “And when you pray, you must not be like the hypocrites; for they love to stand and pray in the synagogues and at the street corners, that they may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have their reward. 6 But when you pray, go into your room and shut the door and pray to your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.[j]7 “And in praying do not heap up empty phrases as the Gentiles do; for they think that they will be heard for their many words. 8 Do not be like them, for your Father knows what you need before you ask him. 9 Pray then like this:
We say trespass mire than debyors despite Catholic translations generslly supporting debtor interpretation. Debtor adds way too little scope to it.
It again does imply forgiving yor rulers rather than ever revelling/revolting but if you analyse it, Christ did support revolutions when no other way to serve the Lord and spread the faith exists (he died on cross as a treasonous criminal after all)
14 For if you forgive men their trespasses, your heavenly Father also will forgive you; 15 but if you do not forgive men their trespasses, neither will your Father forgive your trespasses.Concerning Fasting16 “And when you fast, do not look dismal, like the hypocrites, for they disfigure their faces that their fasting may be seen by men. Truly, I say to you, they have their reward. 17 But when you fast, anoint your head and wash your face, 18 that your fasting may not be seen by men but by your Father who is in secret; and your Father who sees in secret will reward you.
This is akin to banning all angry propaganda either wing uses.
Concerning Treasures19 “Do not lay up for yourselves treasures on earth, where moth and rust[m] consume and where thieves break in and steal, 20 but lay up for yourselves treasures in heaven, where neither moth nor rust[n] consumes and where thieves do not break in and steal. 21 For where your treasure is, there will your heart be also.The Sound Eye22 “The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is sound, your whole body will be full of light; 23 but if your eye is not sound, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness!Serving Two Masters24 “No one can serve two masters; for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and mammon.[o]Do Not Worry25 “Therefore I tell you, do not be anxious about your life, what you shall eat or what you shall drink, nor about your body, what you shall put on. Is not life more than food, and the body more than clothing? 26 Look at the birds of the air: they neither sow nor reap nor gather into barns, and yet your heavenly Father feeds them. Are you not of more value than they? 27 And which of you by being anxious can add one cubit to his span of life?[p] 28 And why are you anxious about clothing? Consider the lilies of the field, how they grow; they neither toil nor spin; 29 yet I tell you, even Solomon in all his glory was not arrayed like one of these. 30 But if God so clothes the grass of the field, which today is alive and tomorrow is thrown into the oven, will he not much more clothe you, O men of little faith? 31 Therefore do not be anxious, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the Gentiles seek all these things; and your heavenly Father knows that you need them all. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things shall be yours as well.34 “Therefore do not be anxious about tomorrow, for tomorrow will be anxious for itself. Let the day’s own trouble be sufficient for the day.Judging Others7 “Judge not, that you be not judged. 2 For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and the measure you give will be the measure you get. 3 Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? 4 Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? 5 You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye.Profaning the Holy6 “Do not give dogs what is holy; and do not throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them under foot and turn to attack you.Ask, Search, Knock7 “Ask, and it will be given you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 8 For every one who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened. 9 Or what man of you, if his son asks him for bread, will give him a stone? 10 Or if he asks for a fish, will give him a serpent? 11 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father who is in heaven give good things to those who ask him! 12 So whatever you wish that men would do to you, do so to them; for this is the law and the prophets.The Narrow Gate13 “Enter by the narrow gate; for the gate is wide and the way is easy,[q] that leads to destruction, and those who enter by it are many. 14 For the gate is narrow and the way is hard, that leads to life, and those who find it are few.A Tree and Its Fruit15 “Beware of false prophets, who come to you in sheep’s clothing but inwardly are ravenous wolves. 16 You will know them by their fruits. Are grapes gathered from thorns, or figs from thistles? 17 So, every sound tree bears good fruit, but the bad tree bears evil fruit. 18 A sound tree cannot bear evil fruit, nor can a bad tree bear good fruit. 19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire. 20 Thus you will know them by their fruits.Concerning Self-Deception21 “Not every one who says to me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven. 22 On that day many will say to me, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name, and cast out demons in your name, and do many mighty works in your name?’ 23 And then will I declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from me, you evildoers.’Hearers and Doers24 “Every one then who hears these words of mine and does them will be like a wise man who built his house upon the rock; 25 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat upon that house, but it did not fall, because it had been founded on the rock. 26 And every one who hears these words of mine and does not do them will be like a foolish man who built his house upon the sand; 27 and the rain fell, and the floods came, and the winds blew and beat against that house, and it fell; and great was the fall of it.”28 And when Jesus finished these sayings, the crowds were astonished at his teaching, 29 for he taught them as one who had authority, and not as their scribes.Footnotes
- 5.17 Jesus came to bring the old law to its natural fulfilment in the new, while discarding what had become obsolete; cf. Jn 4.21.
- Matthew 5:22 Other ancient authorities insert without cause
- Matthew 5:22 Greek says Raca to (an obscure term of abuse)
- Matthew 5:22 Greek Gehenna
- Matthew 5:29 Greek Gehenna
- 5.29 An exaggeration to emphasize the need to avoid occasions of sin.
- Matthew 5:30 Greek Gehenna
- 5.32 unchastity: The Greek word used here appears to refer to marriages that were not legally marriages because they were either within the forbidden degrees of consanguinity (Lev 18.6-16) or contracted with a Gentile. The phrase except on the ground of unchastity does not occur in the parallel passage in Lk 16.18. See also Mt 19.9 (Mk 10.11-12), and especially 1 Cor 7.10-11 which shows that the prohibition is unconditional.
- Matthew 5:37 Or the evil one
- 6.6 This does not, of course, exclude public worship but ostentatious prayer.
- Matthew 6:11 Or our bread for the morrow
- Matthew 6:13 Or the evil one. Other authorities, some ancient, add, in some form, For thine is the kingdom and the power and the glory, for ever. Amen.
- Matthew 6:19 Or worm
- Matthew 6:20 Or worm
- 6.24 mammon: i.e., riches.
- Matthew 6:27 Or to his stature
- Matthew 7:13 Other ancient authorities read for the way is wide and easy
You get the idea.
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@WyIted
Jesus did not promote the type of freedom you speak of.
Here is one of is most significant speeches ever no matter which denomination you are (I will bolden and italicise the significant parts to this). It has Catholic interpretation at bottom:
Matthew 5-7Revised Standard Version Catholic EditionThe Beatitudes5 Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down his disciples came to him. 2 And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.5 “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall obtain mercy.8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons of God.10 “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness’ sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.11 “Blessed are you when men revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so men persecuted the prophets who were before you.
Note, he did not expect you to gey an easy pass to express your righteous opinions or truths. He expected humiliation, persecution etc such as what I have experienced on this website. He says do not flinch, endure it quietly.
Salt and Light13 “You are the salt of the earth; but if salt has lost its taste, how shall its saltness be restored? It is no longer good for anything except to be thrown out and trodden under foot by men.14 “You are the light of the world. A city set on a hill cannot be hid. 15 Nor do men light a lamp and put it under a bushel, but on a stand, and it gives light to all in the house. 16 Let your light so shine before men, that they may see your good works and give glory to your Father who is in heaven.The Law and the Prophets17 “Think not that I have come to abolish the law and the prophets; I have come not to abolish them but to fulfil them.[a] 18 For truly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, not an iota, not a dot, will pass from the law until all is accomplished. 19 Whoever then relaxes one of the least of these commandments and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but he who does them and teaches them shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you, unless your righteousness exceeds that of the scribes and Pharisees, you will never enter the kingdom of heaven.Concerning Anger21 “You have heard that it was said to the men of old, ‘You shall not kill; and whoever kills shall be liable to judgment.’ 22 But I say to you that every one who is angry with his brother[b] shall be liable to judgment; whoever insults[c] his brother shall be liable to the council, and whoever says, ‘You fool!’ shall be liable to the hell[d] of fire.
Yes, I will/did have to confess and repent about the spat with WF. Not by name, the situation.
I have tried to word the criticism carefully to avoid direct disparsging but eventually either I lie or say it how it is. He is being cowardly directly. I did not say a fool. I am not sure if he is or is not.
What is clear is Jesus opposed the type of freedom of speech Americans have.
23 So if you are offering your gift at the altar, and there remember that your brother has something against you, 24 leave your gift there before the altar and go; first be reconciled to your brother, and then come and offer your gift.
This does not mean I must rush to reconcile with Whiteflame. This is in context of either liyeral brother or close friend and/or neighbour. It also leads into a story of debt and implies a minikarmic concept (spread kindness and good will to get it)
I gave my good will here. I still will work with WF if he is clear he will fight against evil here rather than enable it.
25 Make friends quickly with your accuser, while you are going with him to court, lest your accuser hand you over to the judge, and the judge to the guard, and you be put in prison; 26 truly, I say to you, you will never get out till you have paid the last penny.Concerning Adultery27 “You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall not commit adultery.’ 28 But I say to you that every one who looks at a woman lustfully has already committed adultery with her in his heart. 29 If your right eye causes you to sin, pluck it out and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body be thrown into hell.[e][f] 30 And if your right hand causes you to sin, cut it off and throw it away; it is better that you lose one of your members than that your whole body go into hell.[g]
You read that correctly. Reread it. Now realise it is intentional hyperbole but very serious. Do not self harm, instead read further down for Catholic interpretation on this.
Concerning Divorce31 “It was also said, ‘Whoever divorces his wife, let him give her a certificate of divorce.’ 32 But I say to you that every one who divorces his wife, except on the ground of unchastity,[h] makes her an adulteress; and whoever marries a divorced woman commits adultery.Concerning Oaths33 “Again you have heard that it was said to the men of old, ‘You shall not swear falsely, but shall perform to the Lord what you have sworn.’ 34 But I say to you, Do not swear at all, either by heaven, for it is the throne of God, 35 or by the earth, for it is his footstool, or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the great King. 36 And do not swear by your head, for you cannot make one hair white or black. 37 Let what you say be simply ‘Yes’ or ‘No’; anything more than this comes from evil.[i]
He wanted lying itself to be illegal and hellworthy. I fact swearing on the Bible in court is a direct sin according to this. No wonder judges and lawyers have often been corrupt.
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@WyIted
Too Germanic?You sound dumb! Too Latinate? You sound like a liar.
- your own meter source
Its why you also will see great writers like Orwell and Tolkein use 80% Germanic words.
You.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
For me, the state and God come before any corporate interest.
Like in my eyes the Musks and Gates should drop their ego and greed for the good of the nation(s) they are citizens and residents of (ideally both) without hesitation.
The exception is purely expansionist wars like what Putin is doing to Ukraine rn. Those are ethically questionable if that is just pure jingoism rather than patriotism. I think it is jingoistic personally.
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@ResurgetExFavilla
I have several disagreements witb corporatism of Salazar especially the misogynystic extremes it went to.
He even banned women leaving the cou try without fathers allowing it. He banned nurses marrying and I am not a corporatist.
The problem is if one dares ever put nationalism and socialistic thinking together WW2 Germany changed what that means permanently to be a genocidal mentally unwell regime.
I therefore wish there was a word for whst I believe. I loathe greed and support strong patriotism among other things.
That said, I believe in conditional patriotism. It has to depend on the regime in charge to an extent. I don't know if I should go into if I support any ethnic pride at all. It seems whites cannot have any these days without being called hateful.
I am not what you think I am btw. I won't go into my specific roots. I had a lost/torn identity and still do in ways, trying my best to feel completely at one with my nation and its identity.
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@zedvictor4
In a way you are correct about freedom.
We either serve God or the devil.
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@Sir.Lancelot
In 1 way you want me to debate Mikal with pure transparency.
In another, you want them to operate as spies. Which is it?
I am content with either. Which do you support?
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@Sir.Lancelot
David has never clarified why he has acted against WF's ways for the past few bans or thread cleanups.
Has WF changed?
They do ignore me. Yet if I ignore Mikal the same is called cowardice.
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@David
@Sir.Lancelot
@Savant
@WyIted
@LucyStarfire
Dear David,
The idea you have of splitting up the community won't work how you believe it will.
This may seem to contradict my behaviour a lot but a house divided will fall, it can only stand united.
The reality is either you must declare the libertarians rulers here (which is how it is right now) or you must oust them and enable (if not lead) the revolution. You are pushing against WFs old style with recent bans. I can tell deep down you are not on the same side as him.
You are correct to value unity but will it last? Splitting us up is a cute idea. DDO did exactly that especially with the religion subforum. I have seen many sites try this. It fails. The truly united ones conquer and thrive.
1 dictator. 1 version of the law of the site/community to adhere to. 1 way or get out.
Is that your way or Whiteflame's. You know I am not lying to stir up trouble with this post. You know you are not of his moderation variety at all. Correct me if wrong. At least speak up. Your silence on this is deafening.
Yours sincerely,
AR.
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@Savant
For the ultra rich? What am I to blame? Lol!
I would vote in anyone, right or left to tame them and make them contribute to the country rather than be greedy pigs. Left fail to do this too.
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@fauxlaw
David is driving a shift away from it. Recent bans prove that.
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@WyIted
You cannot oppose evil if freedom itself is your moral compass' North Pole.
Freedom from the devil specifically, yes.
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@David
You should not be running this as a democracy...
Just my thoughts.
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@Skipper_Sr
Not true. As in I agree they matter but faith is there without works.
Satan and the demons have firm faith in God being real and all powerful. So, works mattering is different to that.
Luther strongly supported sola fide btw.
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😂😂😂
Right okay.
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@WyIted
What is your thread and video referring to, what does 'shit' mean?
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Flrw has jewish heritage btw. I think it is possible Jews speak with more Latin in their English vocabulary (not sure why but this makes Catholicism seem even more likely to be valid lol). Look at the top 4.
You are being ethnically abusive in this thread.
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@WyIted
Firstly this is doxxing-like except for Fauxlaw who openly says he speaks fluent French. Actually how did he score low?
You probably have doxxed certain aspects of user's heritage unless they truly are past speaking like their other tongue(s).
Now this entire thread is abusive to all Spanish, Portugyuese, Italian, French and obviiuskt South Americans, Filipinos (theur kanguage got influenced by Spanish invasion) and more such.
Germanics does actually have a lot of Latin influence, just not nearly as much as the ones that strictly stayed Latin.
Sacndinavians are the whites who speak very different to Latin, similary with East Europeans.
Remember, you want to go to big name influencer debaters and show off this website. Now youre there with a video with you on it being ethnically abusive. I recommend taking this thread down.
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@Sir.Lancelot
You are so flimsy that you can’t make your mind up about a single person here.
Dude do you want me to quote hoe fast and hilariously you changed on me?
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@Sir.Lancelot
One moment, you are on Barney’s side. Then you’re against him.
He did that to me and you are fully aware of it. Same with David.
You actually did that to me the moment I got modded vs called you out on sycophantic behaviour.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Do you realise being a teacher's pet on a website is not a flex?
Like this is tbe most cringe sycopjantic flex ever.
The moment I hot modded you were licking my boots too and ADOL was your punching bag.
You are transparently manioulative and sycophantic.
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@fauxlaw
Wrong posit. Do you want the site to survive? I do.
Not reslly sure.
Regardless, if one wants adultery, God's will comes first. If one wants to not go to Mass, God's will comes first. You get the idea?
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@fauxlaw
He is the one in the wrong between us.
I already apologised to him a while ago about the fraud accusation.
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Lucy I consent to none of that then. Many reasons why.
This is not against you but given your past that you yourself admitted to here I think you being the advertiser can backfire very hard once social media big names get involved.
But I do respect you trying. Do you actually identify as female now?
Also, I am very clear. I am not on this website's 'side' until David owns it.
I want to see it happen. See the changes. Then I will decide.
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@Sir.Lancelot
Barely any tbh. In fact before I even quit this site I was shifting more and more 'conservative' (small c, I am a genuine independent not the trendy 'ooh I am too cool for labels' none of the mainstream labels fit me I am both radical and conservative at the same time in a very specific combination that adds up in my head and 'fascistic' is closer to it than antifa).
So I barely got into Destiny, he irked me. Him getting hacked ans the (accidental) revenge porn degeneracy made me realise what liberalism really is as one of many examples of why I truly shifted away. I was a progressive over liberal before anyway.
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@Ultracrepidarian
I want to serve the Lord. I leave it at that.
If God wants this place to rot, it is time for me to accept it.
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@Ultracrepidarian
If he apologises for all the abuse and takes things back, I will debate.
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@fauxlaw
Probably true.
I think I will always have a cocky streak to me. It actually is christlike to (not saying mine is like his at all).
If I analyse my life, family, enemies etc. God showed me that if I as the man I am lack a backbone I will be walked all over. However, I do consider myself humble on a balance scale and you are correct, there is pride in that.
I do not understand why I should have 0 pride. I want to be proud of myself, even as a servant of God. True humility does seem unattainable, it is also my biggest gripe with nearly all other religions too as they push humility so high as a virtue.
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Also, I wont be posting offensive comments from here on YouTube. We need to present this site as perfect and smart.
And then when they actually stay here for 3 days they realise whiteflame runs it like a wildlife sanctuary?
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@WyIted
Exactly. You'd backstab us.
Since this is a garbage tip, you cannot associate with it, especially given what youve posted.
Are you starting to see why this cannot grow as it is?
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@WyIted
Beware the snares of fame.
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@badger
Done with your complaining or got some more tantrum to throw? ;)
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@fauxlaw
I know I am meant to turn the other cheek. I tried to with him.
Honestly, I would never have been able to endure this conversation with him had I been the old me.
I am shocked how closer to immune (not truly immune of course) to abuse you become when Christ is truly in my life.
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@Mall
In a debate? Yeah.
You sometimes ask questions irrelevant to the debate. So I ignore those.
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@WyIted
America is obnoxious for that to be an okay thing.
Like in Europe you socially do not ever just grab a camera and stream live people who are not im the pure background unless obviously if they are public speakers/performers consenting implicitly to that.
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@badger
Reread your post history. Like all of it.
Pot. Kettle.
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The lack of what you call censorship is why barely any high quality users will stay.
Nobody wants to show their family and friends this site once they realise whats actually on it?
Maybe now they may. For now, RemyBrown threads are gone from instant view.
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@Sidewalker
The website is not about me. It is about respectful debate.
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@fauxlaw
He degraded that in another thread. In this he called me a woman beater and one that doesnt let her defend herself and strikes first.
I think you are missing a lot of context.
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You maybe never will understand. I get that.
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Lucy, we could be MDD lev and bigger if we enforced rules better. Cleaned this up.
Made it a place Destiny and whoever else feel good showing off and participating in.
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@WyIted
Centrists are so ####ing evil man.
Will you debate me on this?
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@WyIted
Since Labour and Cons will never do that, It is probably inevitable that Farage and the far right (even though he is not far right he is just a populist shill appealing to a variety that includes the far right) will win the next election.
I take back that it is worth considering a coalition of L and C to vote for.
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@Mall
When asked direct questions, do you tend to evade especially when the answer that you should give will refute your point or points?
Not really, that is rare for me.
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