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Will you vtl Supa for a CC?

Vtl Supa for character claim 

Im more concerned w the fact that yer only example of using the gambit was as scum. In that case Ill move you to soft town. But yuh Ive been concerned that a few of Vaarkas posts feel contrived.

You never asked for reasoning when you voted for me. Post 38 you ask where Budda's claim is and post 39 you randomly vote for me instead. Those are the posts I was describing in the above quote. If yer not actually a newb as you claim than yer my strongest scum read atm.

I explained and debated my reasoning already. Read my posts if you havent already figured it out. Also how can we both be scum if, as you say, I still suspect him (even though i mentioned at least three times that I townread him)?

From Naruto lol. Its my prof pic.

Imo he was a lot more genial in that game then hes been thusfar. His disagreement seems genuine.

Dont talk shit about Hashirama. But yeah maybe Im jist compensating for not seeing how fabricated the post was at first. It wasnt until I went back to check his meta that I noticed something sus.

Off to work will be sporadic until around 10.

Is it possible to link to the game? I want you in the town bloc i just have soem lingering doubt.

Have you seen this gambit run in the past? Like on another site?

I was merely saying that (as warren suggested), we assume that parrot is scum then what makes more sense: that he voted with Wyl because Wyl is his teammate or that he voted with him just to start a wagon. 

I said I find the former more likely (from scum perspective) because if he was just voting opportunistically he would have voted against you in his first post since mine was the only vote at the time. He didnt say he disagreed with my reasoning until his second post when he voted against me.

We were talking about my light suspicion regarding Parrot's initial vote on me. I feel like in yer response you were talking about Wyl's vote change from me to you.

I have trouble because i definitely think that Grey is an idiot but I can't recall much about his meta. Truth be told I wouldn't be surprised but I have no evidence to support such a hunch.

Town read Budda and am feeling town on Warren too. Dont see scum motivation in opening yerself up to that kind of suspicion just to claim it was to get a read. Also Vaarka feels contrived at posts 79 and 80 imo.

Lol Budda going through the archives I just realized it was you, me (when I was noumena), and F16 putting them together back in the day. Takes me back.

As to yer point on Supa, that kind of ties in to my earlier point about newb sniping by scum. Its why I prefer a sliding ratio of anti-town/pro-town behaviors in relaton to time played. I can only find three games of his (and no beginner game but could be because theyre not archived and DDO is hell spam now) and he seemed like an anti-town townie in the one that I read through. Still might be an avenue to explore as we move forward.

My first thought was aligned. I remember, as scum, all too often a shitty goon would be quick to tie themselves to me in the Dp. Drove me nuts so maybe that's why that was my first thought. Also, it wouldn't make sense not to jump on my vote for Budda if his vote was merely wagoning TO wagon. The fact that he jumped on the second vote rather than the first implies that it was him wagoning a fellow goon rather than just randomly jumping on. 

Fuckface lol I just pulled up TWD mafia from a while back and you werent even that bad then. What did you learn from yer fabricated post? Posted right before me lol.

Got him moxed up with someone else I think. Reading back on some old games he definitely knows the difference. And I see Supa in games as far back as nine months ago on DDO but hes still voting like a newb? Im going to need to revise a few reads.

Let me get back to you I'll check. Also how experienced is Supa?

I assumed Supa was a newb but he just modded the last game? Can someone uodate me on how much he's played? If he isn't actually a newb than that changes things. 

Post #53 I posted my initial thoughts on everyone thats posted so far. My thoughts on Gp, Warren, Vaarka, and Supa had nothing to do with anything you've said thusfar. I refererenced our ongoing convo in my read on Wyl but there's nothing wrong with that. My reads will be influenced and contorted a bit by how other peeps read them same as everyone.

Unvote. Didnt cross my mind. Yer aggressive thinking is both annoying af and comes off townish. Hate it when that happens lol.

I've only played a few games with Warren and based off of my experience with him I dont think his post is contrived. 

Lol I posted my reads already. The more I think about it the more townish you seem tbh. Seriously are you Danielle's alt account or something?

Warren isnt new he just isnt good

I didn't say it was easier or equal. I said it should be prioritized and wasn't as insurmountable a task as you made it out to be. As to my reads I think it's a little early but i have a few to start. 

I need more info on Supa. His vote was lazy and contradictory. In one post he wonders why you havent claimed yet but precedes to lay pressure on me immediately thereafter. His play isnt beneficial in any way but I've never played with him so I dont know exactly what to make of it. He seems new so his anti-town play is mostly a null from me.

Warren is also null. IIRC hes not all that great of a player so his mostly useless post doesnt stand out to me.

I have a soft scum read of GP. And I mean singing the Star Spangled Banner level soft so dont take too much from it rn. His voting pattern is a little sus as I mentioned earlier and hes being a bit contradictory. On the one hand he parroted Wyl but continued pressure even after I gave Wyl the info he asked for. Then he turned around the pressure on to Wyl which makes more sense coming from him.

Yer a mostly null read rn but I'm starting to lean town. I think I remember you being a bit more aggressive as town. Always reminded me of Danielle if she was a dude just based off of yer demeanor and writing style in-game. I dont agree with you as far as the newb/experienced pressure thing goes but I'm not going to extrapolate affiliation based off of an SOP disagreement since I know it might seem far fetched to some.

Vaarka is null so far to me. A few of my last games on DDO were with him and I see nothing out of the ordinary so far.

Wyl is null as well. If my suspicion of parrot grows it might trace back to him tho nust because I cant scratch the vote timing from last night. But yeah I think yer over-extrapolating with him. Middle of the night and only 30 posts in the Dp- doesn't seem unreasonable to jump on the only other existent wagon at the time if only to generate some discussion/reads. His vote history this game isnt sus except in possible relation to gp but thats just something well keep an eye on. His soft claim is enough for me atm.

Yer analogy is completely inapplicable to this situation simply because as town I have no idea who is on my team and who isn't. That's the point of this game and it's why a strategy that takes these unknowns into account and works off them is optimal. The only group in this game who know who the opposing CB (per yer analogy) is are scum. Lack of information and unknowns are the name of the game and it is for this reason specifically that I'm not prioritizing going after the rookies. Yer talking past my points since I specifically brought this up when I made my point about scum conjuring tells. Scum strategy tells you to go after the weaker players earlier. Town strategy tells you to examine players who could be helpful and to prioritize either a) making them into a town asset or b) getting rid of them.

Get yer head out of yer arse lmao. If it's so easy then... do it. Go buy a fucking MPC, write some lyrics, and put out a top tier rap album. And I dont know what tf the rap battles on an obscure forum site have to do with what I'm talking about but whatevs. 

I wonder when the pro-life position will finally be relegated to a thing of the past. Guess it's a good thing y'all are in the clear minority but there's still a ways to go unfortunately.

Death Grips- Year of The Snitch (2018)

Innomen lol

Just re-read yer initial reason for voting Wyl. i

I think yer misinterpreting the reasoning there. 1) He unvoted me because I gave him the info that he requested. He asked who I was and for an explanation of my reasoning. I granted him that. So there would be no reason to keep his vote on me unless he wanted a claim which is not what he asked for when he voted me. So i consider that definitely null.

On to his vote of you, you said it yerself that the point of RVS is to generate discussion and content so if that's one's goal than surely you can see that me pressuring you because yer experienced and him jumping on to just start sonewhere wouldn't require us to vote for different peeps. Discussion is discussion even if we're coming from different places right? I can see yer point about ceding momentum and control kinda I guess but it's not standing out to me too much. Noticd he had to let everyone know that he might change his mind on the vote later (wow so unique lol) so it's not like his post doesn't still reek of feigned control. 

What is the goal of yer vote.

Forgot to tag you in my response

You can think it's poor sttategy if you want, that doesn't bother me.

As I said earlier I get better results pressuring and reading experienced players first. As scum it's too easy to exploit newb play and manipulate town into wagoning off a faux scum read. You've been playing long enough to know this. Scum must lie and part of that means conjuring fake reads. Newbs are the easiest target of this strategy. So early newb pressure is counter-intuitive imo.

Therefore i go after more experienced players (I think random pressure is veiled BS). As I said earlier (you didn't respond), its a win-win. Evincing a town read on a relatively good player allows for pro-town buddying (sharing reads, building a vote bloc) and evincing a scum read allows for early investigations which (ideally) would end in adding a good player to the town bloc (as I mentioned) or getting rid of an experienced mafioso early on.

Yes experienced players are sometimes harder to read but I think yer overstating it tbh. 1) Being more experienced there are more games historically to draw on when determining their town play (the base read if you will). 2) Whereas playing anti-town isnt necessarily a scum tell for a newb (mistakes are easily exploitable by scum looking to start a wagon) it can more often than not reasonably be one for an experienced player with knowledge of SOP and enough games under their belt to be held accountable to some standards of play (as town). Like I said, disagree all you want but it's a winning strategy.

Gotta do what you gotta do I guess.

Was just having some fun with the rule. I dont care either way. Also I'm a dude tf.

Title sequence from 'Drive'.

Not what I said. Being experienced doesn't mean one can't give off a read just like anyone else.

Meh. He posted 3 minutes after my initial vote and didn't mention his disagreement with my vote untol you did was my point. We'll see.

Wyl do you find Grey's vote timing suspicious or is his parroting normal for him?

Im not complaining about getting the top spot. Also thats pretty standard scum ratio. Not substantive!

Lol yuh its me. Used to be on the newb pressure train (many moons ago) but my recent experience with live mafia kinda solidified pressuring power players early.

Not stalling. Wyl asked my experience level and why i voted Budda. I gave both. Also my former username was Spinko. 

Funny how my post sat there for an hour and a half with no reaction from you but Wylted votes me and you do the same a whopping three minutes later. 

"Her" lol. Im reasonably experienced but a little rusty probably. I think its fairly obvious where im coming from with Budda. Good players are good players and we have to start somewhere. If hes town lets get him in the bloc ASAP. If he seems scummy better to get a good mafioso out of the way.

Also what do yer scary votes mean? Are you pushing for a claim? Also why is this guy talking about his fucking memoir? @mod does this count as substantive?

Dont put down digital percussion and sampling. Guitars and tamborines and shit are all fine and good but the creative explosion that was the sequencer and the ability to sample and pick apart and re-integrate anything and everything really cant be described merely as "pressing buttons". Yer also underscoring the fuck out of the chronological continuity between the recording methods of Rubber Soul and Revolver and the introduction of the synthesizer and, later, the sequencer. Ironically, the Beatles' experimental ethos of their later works would fit right in to the employment of an MPC. Im not a huge Drake fan. Havent been in the last few years but I would never feign complete ignorance of both his (and his producer's) talent or deserved spot in legitimate music history.

Vtl budda for claim. Hes formiddable IIRC and its been a few years since we played together so I'd prefer an early screen of him.

Im ready 

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Spinko

I love the cognitive dissonance of "mainstream media" as if the station with the most viewers and most hardcover ideological defenders isn't essentially the PR wing of the conservative political party