Benjamin

even fantasized about killing people

To succeed at school you need to do 2 of these things:

• Have a perfect recall memory
  
• Be organized
  
• Work hard
  

You almost got beaten by best Korea in the Goku debate imo, haven't fully decided who to vote on it.

• Guns for self defence, when Jesus said to turn the other cheek, and told Peter not to raise his sword
  
• Deporting immigrants, maltreating the poor and homeless, and letting prisoners rot like animals --- when Jesus said to treat these specific groups better
  
• Dickriding capitalists like Elon Musk and supporting low taxes for the rich, when Jesus said the rich man getting to heaven is very unlikely, and that resources should go to the poor

1. Capitalism - good
   
2. Communism - good
   
3. Abortion - good
   
4. Religion - bad
   
5. Gay - good
   
6. Trans surgery - bad
   
7. Trump - bad
   
8. Biden - good
   
9. Russia - good
   
10. Israel - good
    
11. Ukraine - good
    
12. Child marriage - good
    
13. Veganism - good
    
14. Vegetarianism - bad
    
15. Porn - good
    
16. Smoking - good
    
17. Drugs - good
    
18. Guns - good
    
19. Accepting migrants - bad
    
20. Government healthcare - good
    
21. Recycling - bad
    
22. Solar energy - bad
    
23. Fast food - good
    
24. Social media - bad
    
25. Video games - good
    
26. Artificial Intelligence - bad
    
27. Public transportation - good
    
28. Homeschooling - bad
    
29. Public schooling - good
    
30. Nuclear energy - bad
    
31. Deforestation - good
    
32. Animal testing - bad
    
33. Space exploration - good
    
34. Online privacy - good
    
35. Minimum wage increase - bad
    

The Subjectivity of Morality: An In-depth Analysis

Introduction
Morality, as defined by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, refers to the principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior. Subjective morality posits that these principles are created by individuals or societies and can vary significantly, reflecting personal or cultural views.

Affirming the Existence of Diverse Moral Frameworks
Across the globe, societies exhibit a wide range of moral frameworks, reflecting diverse cultural, religious, and philosophical traditions. This diversity suggests that morality is not universally objective but is shaped by subjective factors. For instance, Harvard University’s research on global ethics highlights the vast differences in moral codes across cultures, further affirming the subjectivity of morality.

Demonstrating the Influence of Culture and Society on Morality
Cultural and societal norms play a significant role in shaping an individual’s moral compass. For instance, practices considered morally acceptable in one culture may be viewed as immoral in another. This variation underscores the subjectivity of morality. The American Psychological Association’s studies on cultural psychology provide numerous examples of how cultural norms influence moral judgments.

Presenting Evidence of Changing Moral Standards
Historical shifts in moral standards provide further evidence of morality’s subjectivity. Over time, societies’ views on issues such as slavery, women’s rights, and LGBTQ+ rights have evolved significantly, suggesting that morality is not fixed but is subject to change. Yale University’s research on the evolution of moral standards over time provides compelling evidence of this phenomenon.

Analyzing the Role of Personal Beliefs and Experiences
Personal beliefs and experiences also shape an individual’s moral judgments. Two individuals can interpret the same situation differently based on their personal beliefs, further highlighting the subjectivity of morality. The University of Oxford’s research on moral psychology explores this aspect in depth.

Addressing Common Objections
One common objection to the idea of subjective morality is the existence of universal moral principles, such as prohibitions against murder or theft. However, even these seemingly universal principles can be subject to cultural interpretation and context. For instance, some societies may condone killing in certain circumstances, such as in self-defense or during war.

Another objection is the idea that subjective morality leads to moral relativism, where any action can be justified. However, this overlooks the fact that most individuals and societies have core moral principles that guide their actions, even if these principles are not universally shared.

Conclusion
The evidence suggests that morality is subjective rather than objective. It is influenced by a variety of factors, including cultural and societal norms, historical context, and personal beliefs and experiences. While certain moral principles may be widely accepted within a particular society or culture, they are not universally applicable, underscoring the subjectivity of morality.

The Objectivity of Morality: A Comprehensive Examination

Introduction
Morality, as defined by the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy, refers to the principles concerning the distinction between right and wrong or good and bad behavior. Objective morality asserts that these principles exist independently of individual or societal beliefs, and are universally applicable.

Affirming the Existence of Universal Moral Principles
Despite cultural variations, certain moral principles are universally recognized, such as prohibitions against murder or theft. This universality suggests that morality is not entirely subjective but contains objective elements. Research from the University of Oxford on global ethics supports the existence of these universal moral principles.

Demonstrating the Influence of Human Nature on Morality
Human nature, which is consistent across cultures and societies, plays a significant role in shaping morality. Certain behaviors, such as empathy and cooperation, are universally considered moral, suggesting an objective basis for morality. Studies from the American Psychological Association on human nature and morality provide numerous examples of this phenomenon.

Presenting Evidence of Consistent Moral Standards
While societal views on certain issues have evolved over time, fundamental moral principles have remained consistent. This consistency suggests an objective basis for morality. Research from Yale University on the consistency of moral standards over time provides compelling evidence of this phenomenon.

Analyzing the Role of Reason in Moral Judgments
Reason, which is independent of personal beliefs and experiences, plays a crucial role in moral judgments. Two individuals can reach the same moral conclusion about a situation through logical reasoning, highlighting the objectivity of morality. The University of Cambridge’s research on moral reasoning explores this aspect in depth.

Addressing Common Objections
One common objection to the idea of objective morality is the existence of moral disagreements. However, disagreements do not necessarily negate the existence of objective truths. For instance, scientists may disagree about certain theories, but this does not mean that there are no objective truths in science. Another objection is the idea that objective morality implies moral absolutism, where moral principles are inflexible. However, objective morality can accommodate context and nuance. For instance, while killing is generally considered wrong, most would agree that it can be justified in self-defense.

Rebuttal 1: Diverse Moral Frameworks
Argument X asserts that the existence of diverse moral frameworks across cultures affirms the subjectivity of morality. However, this argument overlooks the existence of universal moral principles that are recognized across cultures, suggesting an objective basis for morality.

Rebuttal 2: Influence of Culture and Society
While it is true that cultural and societal norms influence morality, this does not negate the existence of objective morality. Certain moral behaviors, such as empathy and cooperation, are universally recognized, indicating an objective basis for morality.

Rebuttal 3: Changing Moral Standards
The argument that changing moral standards affirm the subjectivity of morality is flawed. While societal views on certain issues have evolved, fundamental moral principles have remained consistent, suggesting an objective basis for morality.

Rebuttal 4: Role of Personal Beliefs and Experiences
The assertion that personal beliefs and experiences shape morality overlooks the role of reason in moral judgments. Through logical reasoning, individuals can reach the same moral conclusions, indicating the objectivity of morality.

Rebuttal 5: Common Objections
The objections raised in Argument X do not sufficiently counter the idea of objective morality. Disagreements do not negate the existence of objective truths, and objective morality can accommodate context and nuance. Therefore, these objections do not undermine the case for objective morality.

Conclusion

The evidence suggests that morality is objective rather than subjective. It is influenced by universal principles, human nature, consistent moral standards, and reason. While certain moral principles may be interpreted differently within a particular society or culture, they are universally applicable, underscoring the objectivity of morality.

• How long untill the Large Language Models surpass us humans in debate ability?
  
• Would this be a positive thing for the community?
  
• We should probably ban AI written arguments, right?
  
• Will we in the future analyse debates with AI just like chess players do nowadays?
  
• Any other thoughts you may have on this topic.

I challenge you to give me a single example of a concrete action Elon Musk did that was in any way usefull to society.

 Do you credit the moon landing rockets to the science fiction writers who first got the idea, or the scientists and engineers that actually made it?

• This was a rhetorical question. You understood this, and also how absurd is your claim that "the idea is the innovation" so you elected to pivot entirely.
  

I credit the evolutionary process and all the factors therein, that afford material development.

• Did you know that "evolutionary process" is not what made the rockets.
  
• It was cold-hard science and engineering.
  
• Done by thousands of real competent people.
  
• So THEY ought to be credited, not whoever simply came up with the idea. 
  

you will have to tolerate Elon Musk's existence.

• That's right, we will have to tollerate his existence, even thought he is a terrible capitalist and has not done a single usefull action that you could tell me about.
  

Now Obama calling himself a christian, that isn't counted as a lie by the lying "fact checkers", no they reserve that word for the 30,000 times Trump said "nobody has ever seen anything like this before" or "greatest in history".

That would be to misconstrue what I just agreed. God has authored. Yet no one is forced to rape anyone.

I'm saying there was probably a code given to every culture to follow and God would honor to an extent

You really created a lot of laws here by yourself.

You know this for sure? If you read this Bible you claim to know, then you would know that he calls all men everywhere to repent. 

He has a way to reach the amazon tribes. 

Also, he has different demands for different people.

There was a general law of righteousness given in ancient times.

I would give the Amazonian tribe a lot more slack than any of us.

I do not think that God would just say "Oh well!  Into hell you go!"

 soul (personality)

the soul can be "assigned" to another body.

Again, all of this is only my take on this with a little Bible reference.  So this is all speculation on my part.

Responsibility: being the primary cause of something and so able to be blamed or credited for it. (Oxford languages). 

I hold to the view that most people in the history of the world will go to heaven. This is the biblical idea.

God does not murder anyone. Total nonsense. 

You still need to get your head around the idea that God although the author of history is not the second cause.

The first cause has I suppose for want of a better word, immunity.  

• You do not believe in free will, you believe that God is the author of history that includes our every action.
  
• So it was God, not the rapist, that decided the rape should happen.
  
• A person is forced to commit rape by God himself. 
  
• The rapist is just a pawn in God's book.
• ???
  
• God is not responsible for the rape.