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@YouFound_Lxam
No, there are still two biological sexes. If you are going to go against basic biology, then that just proves how wrong your thinking on this topic is. In the case of intersex people, they still have either XX or XY chromosomes, telling the doctors which gender/sex they are. And usually, they have identifiable characteristics, to tell the doctors what sex they really are. And even then, the intersex community only makes up less than 0.5% of the world population.Also, to be a different biological sex that male or female, you would have to show different traits completely different than male or female. Like for instance if someone says they are both a male and a female, they will have to have the capability of impregnation, and getting pregnant, which hasn't existed ever in human history.
No there are people with more than 2 chromosomes. Genetics is complex and you cannot possibly comprehend it with you 8th grade knowledge.
Also you do realise 0.5% of 8 billion people is still a lot?
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@YouFound_Lxam
Trans men are still women, and Trans woman are still men.Cis men are still men, and Cis women are still women.
And you are still making this tired old argument? How about you give some sources and facts instead of pulling this out of no where? Trans men ARE men and trans women ARE women. If you had passed highschool social studies and not working a mcdonalds job at 14 you would have known that and I wouldn't be arguing with a brick wall right now.
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@YouFound_Lxam
First of all, cheers for adding in your sources.
"This may surprise you, but I have many friends that identify as trans. They know I don't agree, with the way that they live their lives, but they get past it, because that doesn't define our whole friendship. I like all people."
I find this argument irrelevant. It does not matter if your trans friends put up with your disrespect and most people would not stand for it. In addition, your trans friends do not speak for every trans person in existence.
This is actually false. The Trans community actually has mocked Christianity and done nothing to respect it. The Bible explicitly is against the idea of a man becoming a woman and vice versa. And the Transgender community has tried to change Christianity, to fit their insane ideology.
It is not the trans community mocking Christianity, it is just dirtbags. Of course there are going to be trans people mocking Christians, just like there will be cis people, tall people, gingers, elderly people from Ecuador, etc. I am afraid you are drawing conclusions out of no where; you saw one group of trans people say they don't like Jesus people and now decide no trans people are Christian and hate the religion? By the way, lgbt Christians exist.
I agree with this article, and so do many trans people. 'I was born in the wrong body' is old rhetoric that I think only really was used to help cis people understand trans people. Anyway, since gender and sex are individual things, you are going to get women with a whole range of body types (eg xx, xy, xxy, xo). There is nothing wrong with this and how God intended it to be, people are just hateful. I also know that transphobia is heavily intertwined with racism and is not just 'Christian beliefs'. (https://www.thenation.com/article/society/transphobia-white-supremacy/).
Find me one place in the Bible where it says that explicitly.
Ok.
“Do not judge, or you too will be judged. For in the same way you judge others, you will be judged, and with the measure you use, it will be measured to you." - Matthew 7:1-2 NIV
Facts don't care about your feelings. People these days don't understand that it is not a nice peaceful world out there, it is harsh and mean. People especially in America don't get that, because we are coddled by all of our riches.
Ok then facts don't care about your belief in God. According to what you just said, Christianity, Judaism, Shinto, Islam, Taoism, Buddhism and many others are not a thing and should not be adhered to because "facts don't care about your feelings". Also what do you mean by:
People especially in America don't get that, because we are coddled by all of our riches.
This point has no relevance to the rest of the statement. What do your facts and people being mean have to do with the US's GDP?
Ok, though I don't agree with that point at all, let's go with it for now.There are 2 biological sexes.Gender is "a social construct" therefor we can add, genders as we please. Now correct me if I'm wrong on that front.If someone can just randomly add genders, then there is an infinite amount.And so, people are expected to respect the LGBTQ+ community, by acknowledging all of those genders that people choose from.This is why all the way up until now, the social norm has been two genders, because again, facts don't care about your feelings.I honestly don't care if someone wants to identify as a bird, or the opposite gender, but it becomes a problem, when you expect me to change my way of thinking, just so you can "feel included".
Ok so first of all, it is a scientifically proven fact that gender and sex are different, facts don't care about your feelings. If you do not agree please show your sources.
Secondly, you are also wrong there are more than 2 biological sexes. Intersex people exist. (https://www.plannedparenthood.org/learn/gender-identity/sex-gender-identity/whats-intersex#:~:text=What%20does%20intersex%20mean%3F,male%E2%80%9D%20or%20%E2%80%9Cfemale%E2%80%9D.)
If someone can just randomly add genders, then there is an infinite amount.And so, people are expected to respect the LGBTQ+ community, by acknowledging all of those genders that people choose from.
I feel like you are mixing up actual gender and labels. Gender is a feeling and some people choose to use different labels to describe it, like a tool. There are not hundreds of genders, rather hundreds of labels. Most people use labels like man, woman, non-binary, or micro-labels within non-binary. These hundreds of labels are just words to show people what they are feeling. If i asked you right now what the gender of man felt like what would you say?
This is why all the way up until now, the social norm has been two genders, because again, facts don't care about your feelings.
You mean the western social norm. Different cultures across the world have different gender norms. For example, two-spirit in Native American, Muxes in Mexico, Hijras in South Asia, etc. I recommend checking this source out: (https://www.pbs.org/independentlens/content/two-spirits_map-html/)
I honestly don't care if someone wants to identify as a bird, or the opposite gender, but it becomes a problem, when you expect me to change my way of thinking, just so you can "feel included".
No one is identifying as a bird. Not sure if you were trying to be funny or you are not educated. If you don't want to change your mind, no one can help you but it becomes a problem when you start being disrespectful, and saying things like "I honestly don't care if someone wants to identify as a bird, or the opposite gender". First of all, don't compare being trans to being a furry or whatever, secondly these micro-aggressions cost people their lives. Trans people get murdered on the street, 82% of trans people consider suicide. It's not a joke. (https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32345113/).
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@zedvictor4
If only it were that simple. If we look at North America these people were massacred. It is not a matter of the British just 'settling' they murdered countless women, men and children, actively worked to erase their languages and culture, stole their children and raped countless more. The way you describe it is as if they handed the land over peacefully. These people died for their land, their culture, their children, their families.
The suffering did not end there. Most reservations across the US have limited access to electricity, running water, education, health care, nutritious food, etc because of lack of government funding. Life expectancy is also significantly lower than their non-Indigenous counterparts. For example, at the Pine Ridge Reservation the life expectancy for women is 52 years and men is 48 years (https://indianyouth.org/american-indian-life/#:~:text=Life%20expectancy%20on%20the%20Pine,rate%20in%20the%20United%20States.) Countless Indigenous women and young girls also go missing every year and police and justice systems fail to investigate (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/lack-awareness-data-hinders-cases-missing-murdered-native-american-women-n1235233). This is in the US alone; lest us forget Australia, the Aztecs, India, New Zealand, etc.
Even without these facts, you have no right to say 'stuff matters' if you were never the victim of these horrendous acts. You cannot forgive the perpetrator on the behalf of others.
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@Vici
if the europeans didn't come and swoop into the land of the indigenous, the indigenous would still be in their primitive lives without medicine, security of housing, nutritious food etc.
I thought the general consensus was that the Indigenous people of North America did not live primitive lives and were very advanced; looking after the land, themselves and the community well. It is very common for white settlers to disrespect and disregard Indigenous people's efforts and livelihood because it is different to their own. Take a look at Indigenous Australians. They were the oldest civilisation on Earth, were healthy, looked after the land and have rich culture but the British did not accept their way of living as 'civilised'. They even marked the land as 'uninhabited' because there were no fences or roads to mark land and that is what the British considered to make a civilisation, when Indigenous people had been living there for thousands of years. Long story short, Indigenous people did not need Europeans. They just say that to justify the hundreds of years of oppression and genocide.
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@YouFound_Lxam
I think your problem is that you don't like trans people, not that you live factually. If you were truly a person of 'fact' as you describe it you would also be opposed to any religion. Christianity, for example is not factually backed and never has been but it still provides people with security and enriches our lives. The most important point is that we respect it. Even people who don't believe in God respect Christianity, so I believe the least we can do is respect trans people. It takes no extra time, no effort to be kind and respectful towards people. I don't know if you are religious or not but I want to address the common claim that "it is against Gods wish to call trans people other than what they were born as". It is not our duty to judge, it is only to love. God is also the only one who can judge, it is not your place to think otherwise.
If you are having trouble to understand the trans experience, think of it like a name. Names are not essential to living, they are not backed by science but they enrich our lives and make people feel comfortable. They are also imbedded in human culture, just like the concept of gender. Please do not mix up sex (biological) and gender (mental), I am afraid it is high school level knowledge that these two are completely different.
Also, you can use adjectives like strong, smart and sexy if you want? No one is stopping you?
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@YouFound_Lxam
I think you misunderstand. We ARE just using man and woman, but trans and cis are also adjectives we can use to describe certain people. It is like you saying we shouldn't say 'tall men' ever because just saying men makes peoples lives easier. Tall is an adjective just like trans or cis.
No ones life is made harder by saying trans or cis and the majority of people only use these terms when they are relevant to the conversation, e.g when discussing trans issues or in a medical context.
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@TheUnderdog
Firstly, I would like to address your claim that:
"The claim that a zygote isn't a human being: https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3211703 states 95% of biologists disagree with that. Trust the science, just like with vaccines and climate change."
I have found a paper from Swarthmore College (https://www.swarthmore.edu/news-events/when-does-personhood-begin) written by Howard A. Schneiderman Professor of Biology Scott Gilbert. This quote really stood out to me:
"I really can't tell you when personhood begins, but I can say with absolute certainty that there's no consensus among scientists. Some scientists will say it begins at fertilisation, where the zygote gets a new genome, where the sperm and egg combine, their nuclear materials, which actually is a long process ending with a two cell stage. Some scientists will say it's at implantation, where you get a pregnancy."
I also hope you understand that many people hold onto the idea that 'life begins at conception' because of the Christian Bible. It is implied in many passages that life begins at conception, but as we all know it was written around 5th Century BCE. If you were a person of science you would also know that science is about always questioning what you think you know, not holding onto the crumbs of education you call 'highschool biology'.
Secondly, even if the point that abortion is killing a baby was true I would still support women getting abortions. Before you start typing your response, think about this. When you are on an airplane and the oxygen masks go down, who do you take care of first? You? Or your child?
The fact is many women who need abortions need them because they will not survive the birth. The woman's life is more important than an unborn child, who has no life no pre-existing kids to look after, no memories. They need to look after themselves before anyone else and you cannot expect people to give up their life for an unborn being.
Lastly, why do you think you have the right to say what other people do with their bodies. You cant even be sure they are hurting anyone yet you are so very confident. If you care so much about these unborn babies, are you advocating for child labor laws in China or Bangladesh? What about child abuse in the US? Or the unbelievably high rate of young Indigenous women going missing every year? There are so many kids in the world already living who are suffering, yet you choose to focus on the most minuscule, 'issue' I can think of.
There are so many other things wrong with your post but i've had enough of you <3
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@TheUnderdog
I think labels such as 'trans' and 'cis' are useful in medical contexts but for trans people it can help them connect to a community and can feel empowering. Of course, this is up to the individual and for the average conversation you should just refer to trans women and cis women as women. As a rule of thumb, the terms trans and cis should only be used when they are relevant. For example, you wouldn't address Angelina Jolie as a 'brown haired woman' every time you mention her, the same way you wouldn't address a woman as 'a trans woman' or 'a cis woman' when talking about her when it is not relevant to the conversation. Trans woman are woman firstly, and trans secondly.
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