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@Mopac
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mopac,
YOUR SATANIC QUOTE TO ME: "You are not in communion with the church, you do not have the seal of The Holy Spirit. Every Christian heresy makes use of scripture."
DEBATEART, TAKE NOTICE OF MOPAC'S QUOTE TO ME ABOVE! THEREFORE, INSTEAD OF MOPAC HIDING BEHIND NON SEQUITURS, HE WILL NOW PUT HIS ORTHODOX FAITH WHERE HIS MOUTH IS, AND EXPLAIN "WHY" MY POSTS #77 AND #79 ARE HERESY!
MOPAC, WE ARE AWAITING A COGENT REPLY THIS TIME OF MEANING, UNDERSTOOD?
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@Mopac
mopac,
YOUR OBVIOUSLY CORRECT QUOTE: "Jesus loves you, Thomas."
YES HE DOES! The reason that He loves me is that I have forgotten more about the Bible than you will ever learn, whereas, Jesus DOES NOT LOVE YOU because of your outright and complete ignorance to His TRUE words within the scriptures! Jesus' posts of #18, #20, and #24 are still not addressed by you, other than for you to run away from them! Now, why should Jesus entertain the idea of loving anyone that continues to run away from his words in embarrassment like you have done continually? BLASPHEME!
Mopac, you have broken the doctrine of Jesus' true words so many times, that I have lost count. You are guilty of yet another bible passage herewith as your vile presence of being a minion of Satan: "Do your best to present yourself to God as one approved, a worker who has no need to be ashamed, rightly handling the word of truth." (2 Timothy 2:15) The word of the TRUTH is in my aforementioned posts above that you run away from!
Mopac, you have to ask yourself this biblical question: "You were running well. Who hindered you from obeying the truth?" (Galatians 5:7) As we have adamantly seen, it is SATAN that has hindered you from the truth that I have given you in all of my posts directed towards you, and that you still do not address in Satan's name. Therefore, may I suggest that you get an Exorcism post haste to remove Satan that has taken over your soul and is making you one of the most dumbfounded FAKE Christians on DebateArt? Peruse the link below for your upcoming exorcism, DebateArt thanks you.
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@Mopac
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mopac,
Look at your meaningless non sequitur post #26 above that is supposed to address my godly posts #18, #20, and #24, that shows your disgusting bible ignorance, and that you continue to embarrassingly RUN AWAY from?! Are you kidding us? This is all you have in the name of your Satan that allows you to be this dumbfounded relative to my posts to you?
Your post in question above DOES NOT ADDRESS your unbelievable bible ignorance where I had to school you once again with my posts #18, #20, and #24 upon your LIES towards Jesus' inspired word! You Satanically state there is no EVIL, but in biblical fact, as shown, our God created EVIL, and where you posit that our Yahweh/Jesus gives us free will, where biblically shown we do not have free will! Therefore, as if the aforementioned wasn't enough embarrassment for you, then you were made the continued fool where I showed biblically that it was EVE that transgressed and NOT ADAM as you wrongfully proposed! IS THERE EVER AN END TO YOUR BLATANT BIBLE IGNORANCE???!
The following direct passage certainly shows your true modus operandi within DebateArt: "And no wonder, for even Satan disguises himself as an angel of light." ( 2 Corinthians 11:4)
Furthermore, to save yourself even further embarrassment within DebateArt religion forum, when will you learn that when you are in discussion with me, you bring a Boy Scout pocket knife to my godly Abrams M-1 fully loaded tank! You are easily outgunned when you engage me, therefore, accept this fact, and try and move on the best way you can in the name of Satan, understood?
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@Mopac
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mopac,
Your bible ignorance allows you to add more proverbial egg upon your face everyday. You are still having a hard time in understanding that our Jesus is the "King of the Jews," and only was sent here for the Jews of the House of Israel, AND NO ONE ELSE, UNDERSTOOD? Therefore, when Jesus posited that His followers are not to preach to anyone other than the Jews, then it is no wonder His Christian followers are murdered in other countries that have their own beliefs that run contrary to the Christian faith. Get it?
I have schooled you upon this topic ad infinitum within this link https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2050?page=3 with direct posts #8, #51, #54, #57, #63, #69, #72, #75, #77, #79, #84, #92, therefore, to save further embarrassment for you with lame topics like you have shown in your latest topic herein, reread the information that I gave you again, learn it, accept it as the TRUE word of Jesus, even though you RAN AWAY from it!
You can thank me later in helping you get out of the fact that you continue to make yourself a FAKE Christian in the name of Satan.
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@Mopac
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mopac,
You ask me questions and expect an answer, when you DO NOT address my godly posts to you in the name of Jesus, other than to RUN AWAY from them? Are you kidding? Surely you jest, correct? LOL!
You continue to RUN AWAY from my godly posts #18 and #20 regarding our Jesus and our faith, where you outright make yourself one of the most bible ignorant fake Christians on DebateArt. Your credence on this forum is diminishing rapidly by running away from Jesus' true words, as Satan is rewarding you daily!
You are the NUMBER ONE FAKE CHRISTIAN RUNAWAY ON DEBATEART! Congratulations!
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@Mopac
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mopac,
YOUR CONTINUED BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: "Tritheism is a heresy. Zeus is a created god."
Do you need another "Bible-Slapping?" Do you have some sort of a fetish in being bible slapped by a TRUE Christian like myself?
You are opening up another venue where I will make you the FAKE Christian fool again! Why do this in front of so many members of DebateArt?
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@Castin
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Castin,
Are you can see, if you are comically rooting for mopac, then you are acknowledging one of the most dumbfounded FAKE Christians on DebateArt! The minion of Satan has yet to address my posts showing him to be an apologetic spin doctor for Satan.
Mopac's silence to my posts #77 and #79 is deafening, where he continues to RUN AWAY from his bible ignorance as I have easily shown.
Forums like this always have a "plethora" of "pretend Christians" like mopac, where what they think they know, they really don't. Therefore, messengers of Jesus like myself put them in their place at their embarrassing expense.
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@Mopac
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mopac,
I see you are still RUNNING AWAY, not only from me making you the continued FAKE Christian fool because you discard Jesus' true words, but in addition you are not addressing my simple question to your response shown below:
"Show me WHY, and I repeat, WHY am I not in communion with your chosen church relative to you RUNNING AWAY from my questions to you that are in behalf of our Jesus?"
Are you SCARED to respond, knowing that I will show you to be the minion of Satan again? Is that it?
AS EXPLICITLY SHOWN, I WILL CONTINUE TO CORRECT YOUR BLATANT BIBLE IGNORANCE HERE ON DEBATEART, AND AT YOUR CONTINUED EXPENSE OF BEING A FAKE CHRISTIAN!
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@RoderickSpode
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RoderickSpode,
Yes, closer to Yahweh/Jesus God is also represented in the steeples of churches always trying to be as high as possible, in the same vein as Moses climbing Mt Sinai to be nearer to the proposed heaven to talk with God.
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@disgusted
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disgusted,
There is no need for you to show us your outright ignorance of the Bible proposing a Flat Earth! So many like you are insidiously anachronistic to the biblical era where the historicity of the Jews that are represented in the Bible, thought the earth was flat.
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@RoderickSpode
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RoderickSpode,
The verse in question is yet another passage that shows the earth is flat and the center of the universe, where when the sun revolves around the earth in a geocentric form as believed by many societies of biblical times, then the sun is able to stop without horrific results to Mother Earth!
There are actually members here on DebateArt that deny this Biblical FLAT EARTH CENTER OF UNIVERSE that the Bible proposes, where the historicity of the time period supports a flat center of universe earth as well. Did someone mention the Ptolemaic Planetary System when the writings of the Bible were written in approximately 100AD? Hmmmm ..... 2+2 still equals 4.
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@Mopac
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MOPAC,
YOUR EMBARRASSING QUOTE THAT DOES NOT ANSWER WHY YOU RUN AWAY FROM JESUS' TRUE WORDS: "Answer not a fool according to his folly, lest thou also be like unto him. Answer a fool according to his folly, lest he be wise in his own conceit."
Once again you RUN AWAY from your total bible ignorance as I have embarrassingly shown you in my post #18 above! In you showing us in how ignorant you truly are regarding the scriptures, is an ongoing problem for you, of which no one will take you seriously in the future as your word becomes totally moot.
As I have easily shown ONCE AGAIN in my post #18 above, your blatant bible ignorance is without bounds, whereas Satan is certainly smiling in your behalf, but Jesus is probably just shaking His head in disgust towards you. (Hebrews 4:13)
Mopac, you are guilty of yet another biblical axiom of the inspired word of Jesus in this passage: “For the time will come when people will not put up with sound doctrine. Instead, to suit their own desires, they will gather around them a great number of teachers to say what their itching ears want to hear.” (2 Timothy 4:3)
Mopac, to save yourself further embarrassment here at DebateArt, maybe it is time for you to change your moniker, or maybe take a break, and then revisit DebateArt Religion forums at a later date, but this time, LEAVE YOUR PARTNER SATAN BEHIND!
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@Stronn
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Stronn,
YOUR QUOTE: "My point was that monotheists believe all those other gods are not true gods, so in their mind there is no ambiguity."
The irony is the fact that if one is a TRUE Christian, we believe in three gods into one, equalling Jesus the Christ. Nonetheless, we Christians obviously have the correct God of the many that were shown in the Iron, Bronze, and Middle Ages, where like you pose, the others are false gods to Christians. Even though the Greek God Zeus is mentioned within our scriptures as being an actual real god, which this has always bothered me because our bible gives validity to Zeus as being as real as our Jesus! Ouch!
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@disgusted
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disgusted,
HELLO? I know the Bible contradicts itself and I am trying to deal with it as a TRUE Christian. It is the ever so ignorant minion of Satan "mopac" that is having a hard time dealing with it!
Mopac is no more a Christian than Satan!
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@Mopac
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NEWSFLASH!!!
MOPAC AS A MINION OF SATAN HAS INFILTRATED DEBATEART TO SHOW DISCORD TOWARDS THE TRUE WORDS OF JESUS THE CHRIST! BEWARE!
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Mopac,
As if my thread listed below didn’t make you one of the most dumbfounded FAKE Christians on DebateArt, where I also showed you to be a minion of Satan, now you create this topic of yours where you continue to step in the proverbial poo! When will it ever stop?!
Are the JEWS upset that the CHRISTIANS stole their Yahweh God?
YOUR BIBLICAL IGNORANT QUOTE AGAIN (Post #1): “The Holy Fathers say that evil in and of itself does not exist.”
Evil doesn’t exist? Then tell our Yahweh/Jesus God this LIE because He stated that He created EVIL in the first place, and refers to it in His inspired word! HELLO? Why do you continue to slap Jesus in the face?
"I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, AND I CREATE EVIL: I the LORD do all these things." ( Isaiah 45:7)
"Shall there be EVIL in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6)
“The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the EVIL and the good.” (Proverbs 15:3)
“For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.” (Colossians 1:16) In this passage, all things includes the fact of EVIL being created by our Yahweh/Jesus, GET IT?
"Shall there be EVIL in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?" (Amos 3:6)
“The eyes of the Lord are in every place, keeping watch on the EVIL and the good.” (Proverbs 15:3)
“For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him.” (Colossians 1:16) In this passage, all things includes the fact of EVIL being created by our Yahweh/Jesus, GET IT?
YOUR WAY OUT IN LEFT FIELD IGNORANT QUOTE (Post #1): “The problem, therefore, is within us, rooted in the the use of our free will.”
Mopac, HELLO, anybody home today?! We DO NOT have free will, period. This is because our Yahweh/Jesus is OMNISCIENT, therefore He knows everything about us from our beginning, and to the end. He knows every move we will make throughout our lifetime, therefore we DO NOT HAVE FREE WILL because Yahweh/Jesus is holding our puppet strings where He is the Puppet Master, as a few of the many passages below so dictate, do you understand?
“But there are some of you that believe not. For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were that believed not, and who should betray him.” (John 6:64)
“Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD” (Psalm 139:4).
“O LORD, you have searched me and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways” (Psalm 139:1-3).
“Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known
the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please” (Isaiah 46:9-10).
“Before a word is on my tongue you know it completely, O LORD” (Psalm 139:4).
“O LORD, you have searched me and you know me. You know when I sit and when I rise; you perceive my thoughts from afar. You discern my going out and my lying down; you are familiar with all my ways” (Psalm 139:1-3).
“Remember the former things, those of long ago; I am God, and there is no other; I am God, and there is none like me. I make known
the end from the beginning, from ancient times, what is still to come. I say: My purpose will stand, and I will do all that I please” (Isaiah 46:9-10).
YOUR CONTINUED BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE (Post #12): "We in the Orthosox Church see this as the consequence of Adam's transgression, that we inherit this big mess.”
Barring the fact that you continue to embarrass Jesus by not using "spell-checker," it was NOT Adam’s transgression you ignorant fool, it was EVE’S transgression as shown in the passage below:
“And Adam was not deceived, but the woman was deceived and became a transgressor.” (1 Timothy 2:14)
Mopac, tell us, what makes you LIE about our bible’s true content? Has Satan promised you great rewards upon your demise to LIE about Jesus’ inspired words within the bible? Is it because of your Satanic Orthodox Church that feeds you wrongful information? Or, is it yourself that has obviously never read our Judeo-Christian bible, therefore making yourself the continued fool in front of the members of DebateArt?
It is no wonder that Jesus has sent me to DebateArt to fight in His name against minions of Satan like you, whereas your continued bible ignorance is displayed ad infinitum, where I am going to have to hire a secretary to help me keep up with your "plethora" of blatant LIES about our faith!
WHO WANTS TO JOIN MOPAC’S ORTHODOX CHURCH THAT ALLOWS HIM TO LIE IN THE NAME OF SATAN? ANYONE? NOT!
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@Mopac
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mopac,
Hey, I have a great concept for you, ready?
1. Show me WHY, and I repeat, WHY am I not in communion with your chosen church relative to you RUNNING AWAY from my questions to you that are in behalf of our Jesus?
2. Why is the only thing you have regarding Jesus' true words, is for you to RUN AWAY from them as shown ad infinitum within this thread?
I would NEVER be a part of your church where you have set an example of RUNNING AWAY from Jesus' true words, and for that, you will play upon Judgment Day for sure!
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@Mopac
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mopac,
In your post #78 above, that's all you got in the name of our Jesus? Is that it in your perceived refutation to my godly biblical axioms? That's it???! And you want to be called a Christian? LOL!!!
WAIT, you forgot AGAIN to address my questions to you! There is a pattern forming by you to continue in RUNNING AWAY from biblical axioms that you just cannot explain away and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath. This proves once again that you are either Satan incarnate, or you were sent here by Satan himself.
As explicitly shown throughout this thread, you continue to sin against Jesus by trying to rewrite His direct words, therefore like I've said before, you are of the DEVIL as you erroneously parade yourself around DebateArt as an assumed Christian, where the passage below describes you to the letter:
Whoever makes a practice of sinning is of the devil, for the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the works of the devil." 1 (John 3:8)
YOUR EMBARRASSING QUOTE: "You are out of line with what the church teaches."
This can be easily deduced to the fact that what your division of Christianity teaches is NOT what the Bible truly teaches when it is read in its entirety, understood? You see, I don't have the problem that you do, because I am a TRUE CHRISTIAN that accepts biblical axioms no matter what they say, whereas you, as shown, turn yourself into a pretzel as a minion of Satan to try and explain away these disturbing passages and narratives within our bible. Therefore, you continually slap our Jesus right in the face, and you expect to see Heaven upon your demise, are you kidding?
How will you deal with your presbyter of your Orthodox Church since you cannot lie (Exodus 20:16) in telling him that while on DebateArt you have rewritten Jesus' true words within this thread, as if Satan has done this himself? The irony is that you are the one that needs to repent post haste!
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@Mopac
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mopac,
Once again your ignorance precedes you not being able to accept that a person is wrong in using TITLES instead of actual NAMES of said gods. Understood? It's a very simple deduction if you can truly think about its foundation, okay?
Listen, you are having a hard enough time within the link below where you have turned into a minion of Satan regarding the fact that you are essentially calling Jesus a LIAR! If anyone needs to repent, it is YOU!
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@Mopac
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Mopac,
How can you continue to type, where your finger tips must be bleeding profusely because of you grasping for your Satanic proverbial straws with some of the most embarrassing and lame responses that I have seen in a long time?! Look at your ever so weak posts to try in vain to cover up our Jesus' direct statements!
YOUR SATANIC QUOTE: "Obviously one set of instructions was for a time."
Obviously? Huh? To take this out of the range of your subjective personal opinion, which is meaningless relative to the Bible, where within our Judeo-Christian bible does it specifically state that what Jesus said was only for a certain time period regarding Matthew 10:5?!
1. Are you calling Jesus a LIAR relative to Matthew 10:5, where in fact He stated to His disciples to not preach to the Gentiles and Samaritans, but ONLY to the House of Israel though out the world?
2. Where in the bible is there a time limit for Jesus to say that He was only sent to the House of Israel? He answered, "I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24)
3. Barring that Jesus finally healed the Gentile woman's child after disparaging her, where in the bible is there a time limit for Jesus stating again that He was ONLY sent to the lost sheep of Israel? Then Jesus said to the woman,“I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.” (Matthew 15:21-24)
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE UPON YOURSELF: "Even the devil quotes scripture As is shown in the temptation of Jesus in the desert."
Praise Jesus! You have finally admitted that you are a minion of Satan sent to DebateArt to spew forth your Devil Speak to show discord towards Jesus' word!
YOUR SATANIC QUOTE #2: "You are not reasoning as a Christian, but as an agent of discord."
Let me get this straight, so when I bring forth a biblical axiom of what Jesus actually stated to His disciples in Matthew 10:5 that is truthful, AND THEN YOU bring forth a passage by Jesus that contradicts the one that I brought forth, then it is YOU creating the discord! LOL! Oh my, what the fake Christian like you won't do to save face, as Jesus is not smiling in your behalf. (Hebrews 4:13)
Relating to your questionable bible knowledge, I am following this inspired by Jesus passage in your behalf: “Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.” (Proverbs 26:5)
Mopac, maybe you need some time off in acting as an agent of Satan here at DebateArt religion forum. Have you thought about this situation, where you could take that time and rethink your position with our faith, because bar none, you are a poor representative to Jesus’ Christianity of which you will pay upon Judgment Day.
How can you continue to type, where your finger tips must be bleeding profusely because of you grasping for your Satanic proverbial straws with some of the most embarrassing and lame responses that I have seen in a long time?! Look at your ever so weak posts to try in vain to cover up our Jesus' direct statements!
YOUR SATANIC QUOTE: "Obviously one set of instructions was for a time."
Obviously? Huh? To take this out of the range of your subjective personal opinion, which is meaningless relative to the Bible, where within our Judeo-Christian bible does it specifically state that what Jesus said was only for a certain time period regarding Matthew 10:5?!
1. Are you calling Jesus a LIAR relative to Matthew 10:5, where in fact He stated to His disciples to not preach to the Gentiles and Samaritans, but ONLY to the House of Israel though out the world?
2. Where in the bible is there a time limit for Jesus to say that He was only sent to the House of Israel? He answered, "I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24)
3. Barring that Jesus finally healed the Gentile woman's child after disparaging her, where in the bible is there a time limit for Jesus stating again that He was ONLY sent to the lost sheep of Israel? Then Jesus said to the woman,“I was sent only to help God’s lost sheep—the people of Israel.” (Matthew 15:21-24)
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE UPON YOURSELF: "Even the devil quotes scripture As is shown in the temptation of Jesus in the desert."
Praise Jesus! You have finally admitted that you are a minion of Satan sent to DebateArt to spew forth your Devil Speak to show discord towards Jesus' word!
YOUR SATANIC QUOTE #2: "You are not reasoning as a Christian, but as an agent of discord."
Let me get this straight, so when I bring forth a biblical axiom of what Jesus actually stated to His disciples in Matthew 10:5 that is truthful, AND THEN YOU bring forth a passage by Jesus that contradicts the one that I brought forth, then it is YOU creating the discord! LOL! Oh my, what the fake Christian like you won't do to save face, as Jesus is not smiling in your behalf. (Hebrews 4:13)
Relating to your questionable bible knowledge, I am following this inspired by Jesus passage in your behalf: “Answer a fool according to his folly, or he will be wise in his own eyes.” (Proverbs 26:5)
Mopac, maybe you need some time off in acting as an agent of Satan here at DebateArt religion forum. Have you thought about this situation, where you could take that time and rethink your position with our faith, because bar none, you are a poor representative to Jesus’ Christianity of which you will pay upon Judgment Day.
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@Mopac
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mopac,
You have only returned to remove one foot to insert the other, AGAIN! WHY?
YOUR UNGODLY INEPT QUOTES: " That is what you are doing by pulling a passage out of context and falsely calling it the last command Jesus made to his disciples.
"My quotation comes from the same Gospel."
"You have repeatedly shown in this topic that you don't read your bible."
It matters NOT whether it is the first or last command ever spoken by Jesus, nor if it is within the same gospel, because EVERY, and I repeat, EVERY inspired word of His is without fail, FLAWLESS (Proverbs 30:5), do you understand this simple biblical axiom? Huh? Therefore regarding Matthew 10:5 verse Matthew 15:24, you have shown the direct inspired word of Jesus to be CONTRADICTING, PERIOD!
Mopac, you have done nothing but grasp for the proverbial straws in your vain attempt to rewrite Jesus true words with your ungodly Devil Speak, and for this, you will pay upon Judgment Day for sure! “But as for the cowardly, the faithless, THE DETESTABLE, as for murderers, the sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, AND ALL LIARS, their portion will be in the lake that burns with fire and sulfur, which is the second death.” (Revelation 21:8)
Mopac, you are no more a Christian than Satan, of whom you represent within this forum!
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@Mopac
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mopac,
YOUR INSIPID QUOTE: "This is not how Christians conduct themselves. Repent."
How Christians ARE NOT to conduct themselves, as embarrassingly and drastically shown by you, is to RUN AWAY from not being able to address the inspired word of Jesus as shown in my post #69 to you! Don't you realize that Jesus is watching you RUN AWAY from his faith? (Hebrews 4:13) Are you not embarrassed over this Satanic act of yours, and you want to be called a Christian, are you kidding? LOL!
You continue to RUN AWAY from our Bible's true inspired words from Jesus, when it dictates that you are to defend it, as shown in the following passages: "We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ," (2 Corinthians 10:5). "He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
REGRESSING, HOW DARE YOU POSIT THAT I AM NOT A CHRISTIAN, WHEN IN TURN, YOU BLATANTLY RUN AWAY FROM JESUS' INSPIRED WORDS IN MY POST #69 TO YOU! CAN YOU SPELL H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E? SURE YOU CAN, SATAN INCARNATE!
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@keithprosser
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keithprosser,
It is embarrassingly shown that you are trying in vain to opt out of your misconception of using "God" as a title, and by NOT using said God's specific NAME! To prevent any misconception whatsoever to the topic at hand regarding a god concept, one uses the NAME OF SAID GOD IN DISCUSSION, PERIOD!
You are having a hard time in understanding a "TITLE relative to a NAME" when discussing one of the Abrahamic religions! It truly doesn't matter for you as an Atheist because you're going to Hell upon your demise anyway. (Revelation 21:8)
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@Mopac
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mopac,
NOW YOU ARE STATING THAT OUR JUDEO-CHRISTIAN BIBLE CONTRADICTS ITSELF?!
BROTHER D'S POST: “These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, ‘Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.” (Matthew 10:5)
MOPAC'S POST: "And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth. Go ye therefore, and teach all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost: Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you alway, even unto the end of the world. Amen" (Matthew 28: 18-20)
My post explicitly states that JESUS STATED that His disciples are not to preach to the Gentiles or Samaratans, but instead, only go to the lost sheep of THE HOUSE OF ISRAEL. Supporting this proposition, Jesus stated: He answered, "I was sent ONLY to the lost sheep of Israel.” (Matthew 15:24)
Now you go and ruin my post by bringing forth a BLATANT BIBLICAL CONTRADICTION of Jesus now stating that His followers are to go and teach all nations, which runs contrary to Him stating that they are to go only to the House of Israel, and barring the fact of His disciples are not to preach to the Gentiles and Samaritans! ( Matthew 10:5)
Mopac, are you trying to make me lose my Christian faith? Huh? Were you sent here by Satan Himself that allows you to try and spin doctor Jesus' word to the benefit of Satan?
Mopac, what is going to be your next ungodly Satanic apologetic spin to the topic at hand?
YOUR IGNORANT QUOTE: "I don't believe you are a real Christian or even trying to be one. I think you are pretending to be a Christian in order to make Christians or Christianity look bad."
WRONG! Just because you cannot address my posts as a minion of Satan regarding certain passages and narratives, is no reason whatsoever to call me in not being a Christian! BLASPHEME! I am a TRUE Christian, that reads ALL of the Bible, therefore running across certain passages and narratives that are troubling to our faith. Whereas you on the other hand as shown, you remove one foot to insert the other ad infinitum in trying to apologetically spin doctor said troubling passages and narratives away in the name of Satan!
YOUR UNCHRISTIANLIKE QUOTE: "If you are trying to be a Christian for real, I suggest you find an Orthodox Church and talk to the presbyter."
As explicitly shown, I am a TRUE Christian for real, and if anyone is to find a church that can help them with their Devil Speak in showing bible contradictions, bringing forth meaningless non sequiturs in the name of Jesus, and by not accepting Jesus' exact words, IT IS YOU THAT SHOULD FIND HELP WITH A PRESBYTER!
Mopac, you are getting real close to committing the drastic Unpardonable Sin, and for that, I am truly sorry!
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@keithprosser
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keithprosser,
YOUR IGNORANT QUOTE: "My rule is that 'God' (capital g) is the name of the Judaeo-Christian god"
YOUR CONTRADICTING QUOTE: "Where possible I write yhwh or Allah to make absolutely sure what I am referring to."
As anyone can blatantly see, you posit that you write the actual name of a God to be absolutely sure in what you are referring to, but yet call the Christian God, "GOD!" HELLO, anybody home today?! If you can call the Muslim God "Allah," then you can correctly call the Christian God Yahweh/Jesus! As I have shown in my post on this topic, GOD IS A TITLE AND NOT A NAME, GET IT?
You are certainly giving your Hell Bound Atheists a bad name!
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@Snoopy
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Snoopy,
YOUR COMICAL QUOTE: "What are you implying? Just say the simple math. Show your work"
Are you the pot calling the kettle black? Show ME in what religion you follow or not, along with other things about you since you have absolutely NOTHING to say in your biography, but yet want others to SHOW THEIR WORK! In you not comprehending my statement, I did show the work relative to keithprossers initial statement as being fundamentally wrong with Biblical verses. Get it? Huh?
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@keithprosser
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keithprosser,
YOUR QUOTE: "I agree that Christian dogma does not mandate hating Jews."
JESUS' INSPIRED BIBLICAL WORD: “Every word of God is flawless; he is a shield to those who take refuge in him.“ (Proverbs 30:5)
BIBLE DISPARAGING JEWS QUOTE: "For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone. (1 Thessalonians 2:14-15) "
Dogma or not, and since Jesus' words are flawless, then when Jesus' inspired word states with specificity that the Jews killed Jesus and the prophets, and displease God, then the Christian is to accept this fact because even mopac nor I could never state that we know more than Jesus' words, period!
DO THE SIMPLE MATH!
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@Mopac
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mopac,
YOUR QUESTIONABLE QUOTE: “So why did the bible passage(actually written by Saint Paul) disparage the Jews in the scripture you pointed out? Because they were supposed to be a light to the gentiles, and instead they put the light under a bushell.”
How could the Jews begin to be the the light upon the Gentiles, when Jesus Himself stated that his followers are not to be in contact with them in the first place to be that light?!
Jesus' final instructions to his disciples couldn’t be any more specific: “These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, ‘Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.” (Matthew 10:5)
YOUR IGNORANT QUOTE: “Now when I say, what do you think a real Christian looks like, I am not talking about physical appearances.”
Barring the fact that you didn’t follow through with your claim above in what you really meant, then you used the wrong connotation in using “what does a Christian look like?” This is why I made bold the words “look like” because of it being questionable. You could have used the term; “What does a Christian represent and acts like” instead. I am not responsible for any Christian using bad english, therefore since you are representing our faith, I suggest that you get up to date with your English speaking skills so Jesus won’t be embarrassed about his Christian representives like you.
YOUR QUESTIONABLE QUOTE: “So why did the bible passage(actually written by Saint Paul) disparage the Jews in the scripture you pointed out? Because they were supposed to be a light to the gentiles, and instead they put the light under a bushell.”
How could the Jews begin to be the the light upon the Gentiles, when Jesus Himself stated that his followers are not to be in contact with them in the first place to be that light?!
Jesus' final instructions to his disciples couldn’t be any more specific: “These twelve Jesus sent forth, and commanded them, saying, ‘Go not into the way of the Gentiles, and into any city of the Samaritans enter ye not: But go rather to the lost sheep of the house of Israel. And as ye go, preach, saying, ‘The kingdom of heaven is at hand. Heal the sick, cleanse the lepers, raise the dead, cast out devils: freely ye have received, freely give.” (Matthew 10:5)
YOUR IGNORANT QUOTE: “Now when I say, what do you think a real Christian looks like, I am not talking about physical appearances.”
Barring the fact that you didn’t follow through with your claim above in what you really meant, then you used the wrong connotation in using “what does a Christian look like?” This is why I made bold the words “look like” because of it being questionable. You could have used the term; “What does a Christian represent and acts like” instead. I am not responsible for any Christian using bad english, therefore since you are representing our faith, I suggest that you get up to date with your English speaking skills so Jesus won’t be embarrassed about his Christian representives like you.
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@Stronn
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Stronn,
Case in point, it matters not if one is a monotheist, polytheist, or any other god believing individual, THOSE GOD(S) IN HISTORY HAVE A NAME, PERIOD, to say otherwise is a complete liar!
Who is the one TRUE GOD when one is a Christian?
Who is the one TRUE GOD when one is a Jew?
Who is the one TRUE GOD when one is a Muslim?
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The individual that is proffering a God concept should know in which god they are referring to instead of using the term "God" in a generic form, whether capitalized or not.
When bringing forth a God in discussion, so many act as if the term "god" refers to only one god of the universe, of which it does not. The term "God" is a title only, and not the name of a specific god like Zeus, whereas in the same vein, the term president is a title, whereas the name of the president was Robert Kennedy. There are many possible gods that are within the Bronze, Iron, and Middle Ages of time, therefore, to save further embarrassment for the person, and the god in question, show specifically in which God you are talking about with its appropriate name for Christ's sake! 2+2=4.
Example, there are 3 main specific Gods left in human history at this time. Allah is the Muslim God, Yahweh is the Hebrew God, Jesus/Yahweh is the Christian God, therefore be specific, get it? This is NOT rocket science!
I have never seen so many FAKE AND BIBLICALLY IGNORANT CHRISTIANS than on DebateArt Religion forums, they will pay upon Judgment Day, praise Jesus' revenge! (Revelation 9 and 11)
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@keithprosser
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keithprosser,
YOUR QUOTE" "I agree that Bro is a flamebaiting troll, but 1 Thess does make intersting reading:"
Tell me, how can I allegedly be a flame baiting troll when I bring forth an actual biblical passage, that obviously you and mopac have never seen before, and where it is not my fault that the fake Christians that are ever so trying to address it, cannot do it and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath, you included?
"For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone. (1 Thessalonians 2:14-15)
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@Mopac
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mopac,
At your embarrassment you have been dancing around the passage in question many times with non sequiturs ad infinitum. Here, let me make it as simple as possible for you, okay? Here is the passage that you continue to RUN AWAY from shown below. I want you to step out on a limb, if you can, and actually use your own words and thinking instead of wimpy bible passages to the topic at hand. At least try it for a change to show the members you have your own thinking, okay?
"For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone. (1 Thessalonians 2:14-15)
QUESTION: Why did the inspired word of Jesus in the Bible disparage the Jews in the manner shown in the passage above?
You asked what does a TRUE Christian look like? All you have to do is view my manly photo above my name on the left with bible in hand, praise! In what ever you look like, that you Satanically represent in this forum, is NOT what a TRUE Christian looks like, understood? Sure you do.
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Dr. Franklin,
YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: "I am not, I am being logical. Yom is not a 24 hour day but an era."
WAIT! You mean to tell DebateArt members that in the Creation narrative, that Adam was ALONE on the earth for thousands of years in an era subsequent to Yahweh creating him? Then it took thousands of years in an era before our Yahweh God figured it out that Adam was lonely, and then He created the animals for him next as helpmates? HUH?! (Genesis 2:18-19). Furthermore, between these "eras of time" that you Satanically propose in the Creation narrative, then Adam would have to be at least 7000 years old on the 7TH DAY/ERA!
Dr. Franklin, your Satanic spin doctoring of our JUDEO-Christian bible is without bounds, and at your expense upon Judgment Day, praise!
Dustryder, as you can explicitly see, Dr. Franklin is a parody of a dumbfounded Christian by some ungodly Atheist to show the Christian faith as being irrational and a detriment to societies.
YOUR BIBLE IGNORANT QUOTE: "I am not, I am being logical. Yom is not a 24 hour day but an era."
WAIT! You mean to tell DebateArt members that in the Creation narrative, that Adam was ALONE on the earth for thousands of years in an era subsequent to Yahweh creating him? Then it took thousands of years in an era before our Yahweh God figured it out that Adam was lonely, and then He created the animals for him next as helpmates? HUH?! (Genesis 2:18-19). Furthermore, between these "eras of time" that you Satanically propose in the Creation narrative, then Adam would have to be at least 7000 years old on the 7TH DAY/ERA!
Dr. Franklin, your Satanic spin doctoring of our JUDEO-Christian bible is without bounds, and at your expense upon Judgment Day, praise!
Dustryder, as you can explicitly see, Dr. Franklin is a parody of a dumbfounded Christian by some ungodly Atheist to show the Christian faith as being irrational and a detriment to societies.
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@Mopac
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MOPAC,
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: "So in you hating me, I can discern that the truth is not in you"
Your quote above is Fake Christian excuse # 5938237887593 to NOT ADDRESS Jesus' inspired words because you cannot do it. Listen up, the truth is most certainly in the passage 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15 that you continue to RUN AWAY FROM!
Whats your next Fake Christian Excuse going to be? Huh? How about you can’t answer my post #8 to you because it is Saturday, and you are wearing a white T-shirt with a blue shirt, and the sky is cloudy instead of sunny, therefore you can’t answer it right now. LOL!
Why do you continue to slap Jesus in the face, when he stated that you are to DEFEND our faith! "He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
You fail to realize that DebateArt are watching you continue to RUN AWAY from Jesus’ inspired word in 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15, let alone, Jesus is watching you RUN AWAY as well! (Hebrews 4:13)
How totally embarrassing for you to show others that you are nothing but a FAKE CHRISTIAN, in name only!
YOUR REVEALING QUOTE: "So in you hating me, I can discern that the truth is not in you"
Your quote above is Fake Christian excuse # 5938237887593 to NOT ADDRESS Jesus' inspired words because you cannot do it. Listen up, the truth is most certainly in the passage 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15 that you continue to RUN AWAY FROM!
Whats your next Fake Christian Excuse going to be? Huh? How about you can’t answer my post #8 to you because it is Saturday, and you are wearing a white T-shirt with a blue shirt, and the sky is cloudy instead of sunny, therefore you can’t answer it right now. LOL!
Why do you continue to slap Jesus in the face, when he stated that you are to DEFEND our faith! "He must hold firm to the trustworthy word as taught, so that he may be able to give instruction in sound doctrine and also to rebuke those who contradict it." (Titus 1:9)
You fail to realize that DebateArt are watching you continue to RUN AWAY from Jesus’ inspired word in 1 Thessalonians 2:14-15, let alone, Jesus is watching you RUN AWAY as well! (Hebrews 4:13)
How totally embarrassing for you to show others that you are nothing but a FAKE CHRISTIAN, in name only!
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@keithprosser
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Keithprosser,
You can’t expect too much from mopac, as is shown in this thread where he continues to RUN AWAY from the inspired word of Jesus in my post #8 directed to him. He is who he pretends to be.
https://www.debateart.com/forum/topics/2050
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@Mopac
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mopac,
YOUR SATANIC QUOTE: "Poe's Law."
How dare you infer that I am operating under Poe's law?! Who in the hell do you think you are? I am a TRUE Christian that has forgotten more about the Bible than you will ever learn from it!
If anyone is using Poe's Law, it is you because you can't address my post #8 to you, other than to RUN AWAY FROM IT, therefore you are NOT A CHRISTIAN, but one that acts like one as you run away from Jesus' inspired words as you slap Him in the face. BLASPHEME!
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@Mopac
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mopac,
YOUR DISRESPECTFUL QUOTE TO JESUS: "Verse numbers did not exist until relatively modern times."
We are in MODERN TIMES, the bibles are in modern times, therefore like the bibles, show respect to Jesus and add the chapter and verse to your biblical verses, otherwise, it looks like you are making passages up on your own!
YOUR QUOTE: "Jesus Christ said to those crucifying Him, "Forgive them, they know not what they do."
Using Jesus' words above, you know what you do in running away from my post #8 to you! Don't you realize that Jesus is watching you RUN AWAY from his inspired word without addressing it? (Hebrews 4:13). Are you embarrassed in what the passage states in the name of our Jesus?
YOUR EMBARRASSING QUOTE: "I am baptized and Chrismated in the very Apostolic Church. I am an Orthodox Christian."
Okay, then take your baptism, Christ mated in an Apostolic Church as an Orthodox Christian and address my post #8 to you INSTEAD OF RUNNING AWAY FROM IT LIKE ROSENDS WOULD DO!
Mopac, the members of DebateArt are watching you run away from my post #8 to you, why do you run in the name of Jesus?
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Rosey,
YOUR QUOTE TO YOUR CONTINUED EMBARRASSMENT WITHIN THIS FORUM (Post #7): "Ah, BroD, so nice to see you here!"
If the truth were known in your behalf, I am the last person that you want to greet in the manner that you have shown because of your ungodly Jewish faith relative to my Christianity! I remember your RUNAWAYS to my religious knowledge within other forums, where you had to purchase new "running shoes" on a weekly basis!
If you have the nerve to engage me once again, then not only are you to have a new pair of running shoes handy, but an extra pair of underwear as well, do you understand? Yes?
You are excused.
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@Mopac
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mopac,
YOUR MISLEADING AND UNCHRISTIANLIKE QUOTE: “The Jews, like all people were made in the image of God. To love them is to love Christ, as it was Christ who said, "Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me.”
How am I logically supposed to love the Jews when the inspired word of Jesus states with specificity that the Jews MURDERED OUR JESUS and the prophets, where they also displease our Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate, and are hostile to everyone? Case in point, who hasn't made "rosends" the Jewish fool that he is in the name of Jesus? Huh? Can you be cogent enough to explain this to the TRUE Christians and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath?
"For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone. (1 Thessalonians 2:14-15)
Furthermore, and to show respect to Jesus the Christ, use the actual biblical chapters and verse from this time forth, understood?! I hate it when fake Christians like yourself DO NOT respect our Savior’s inspired word in this respect, GET IT?
How am I logically supposed to love the Jews when the inspired word of Jesus states with specificity that the Jews MURDERED OUR JESUS and the prophets, where they also displease our Jesus as Yahweh God incarnate, and are hostile to everyone? Case in point, who hasn't made "rosends" the Jewish fool that he is in the name of Jesus? Huh? Can you be cogent enough to explain this to the TRUE Christians and remain intelligent looking in the aftermath?
"For you, brothers and sisters, became imitators of God’s churches in Judea, which are in Christ Jesus: You suffered from your own people the same things those churches suffered from the Jews who killed the Lord Jesus and the prophets and also drove us out. They displease God and are hostile to everyone. (1 Thessalonians 2:14-15)
Furthermore, and to show respect to Jesus the Christ, use the actual biblical chapters and verse from this time forth, understood?! I hate it when fake Christians like yourself DO NOT respect our Savior’s inspired word in this respect, GET IT?
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@Mopac
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Okay, how about using the truthful term of "Yahweh God came over to the Christian side" of His Abrahamic foundation to show the Jews are pissing up a rope relative to their now outdated beliefs? Is that more suitable for you and the Hell bound Jews that killed our Jesus? Yes?
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Are the Jews upset that we Christians stole their Yahweh God away from them in our New Testament writings, and then made Him what we needed Him to be? Especially when we proffer that the Old Testament is washed away for our New Testament where we changed your Yahweh into the triune of Jesus, therefore stating that your religion basically doesn't exist anymore.
"In speaking of a new covenant, he makes the first one obsolete. And what is becoming obsolete and growing old is ready to vanish away." (Hebrews 8:13)
Since the TRUE Christian has the truth in Jesus as shown in our New Testament writings, then your Jewish religion and all of its writings is all for naught. In simpler terms, we TRUE Christians have your God now, and when you don't have a God anymore, yourreligion cannot exist! 2+2=4.
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