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(oh ok) I spend the round attempting to ascertain the nature of said being 🔎
And if I'm not mistaken I can use Bardic inspiration as a "bonus" or "extra(?)" action? In which case, i'll also use Bardic Inspiration on Easy E.
(@Merlin- Bardic Inspiration allows you to add an extra die to a roll of your choice. If i may suggest saving it for the event its an apparition in the non colloquial sense and has spectral strangulation as an ability. 👌)
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@Earth
We'd have to make sure the sunlight actually hits it,
(if its even daytime. Either way, its late and time for bed. You have a goodnight 🌜)
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Don't worry, I'm not discarding the idea, its clever thinking
(if it's daytime and the sun is out leading it into the sunlight, or finding a way to get the light to it, is def a good idea to getting rid of the apparition. Not sure about it being willing to follow us into said sunlight though 🤔. Still worth a try tho)
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True, but windows are... uhhh ... usually see through hombre 🤔
(@Drafter- is it still nighttime?)
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@Earth
What would breaking a window accomplish?
(never seen that movie actually)
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@Earth
(it being an apparition means there was never any "talking down" to be done. apparitions are spirits who have gone mad and turned evil.
Here, I looked it up so everyone can know what we're dealing with as opposed to just taking my word for it. Also, just to note, i have 15 charisma and im skilled in persuasion and deception, if there is talking to be done, i have aces up my sleeve figuratively speaking. We're both well suited for being speaky bois and getting the other bois to crack open a cold one with us 🙃)
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Cancel me pulling out my bow and taking a shot. I'll just watch for right now, keep my head down so it doesnt come after me 👍
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(i dont think anyone has a resurrection spell so the insta kill with that isnt an option.
Alternatively, Merlin, if you continue presenting yourself as the one to target, once it starts to attempt to literally scare you to death, I can cast heroism on you, negating it cauce heroism prevents the target from becoming terrified 🤔. Once it fails on that attempt, it flees back to the ethereal plane if I remember correctly. But to be sure,
@Drafter- would heroism cause an attempt by the apparition to kill someone to fail?(I cannot remember what the actual attack is called, my b 🙇)
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(Nvm can't cast blade ward on anyone but myself. Welp, lets hope physical damage still works.)
I pull out my shortbow and take a shot at the apparition.
I pull out my shortbow and take a shot at the apparition.
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I dont mind some of the alternate methods of lynching. Like plurality isn't all that bad. Compulsory lynches or NK's just turn me off though. I tend to prefer seeking methods that leave the most choices in the hands of the players. Can see why the method would be attractive, cause well, the pressure and risk is heightened which is appealing even to me in certain areas too. Like, i've chosen permadeath mode in RPG's and survival games many a time. When it comes to mafia though, its meh.
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@Greyparrot
His claim was out of left field with the actual person thing. I cant make any promises regarding that though, because of the whole randomization thing. Wish I could cause that claim really screwed you as it got him lynched. But Rational has to have as much possibility of being mafia as anyone else regardless of game or potential teammate because otherwise, one would be able to reasonably presume he is most likely, if not always, going to be town.
Welcome to the beginner series, where "what are you thinking" type play is to be expected xD. Even if that game is all experienced players xD
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@David
I am a-ok with moving on now, thank you for apologizing :).
With that being said, did we all want to restart the game with a new theme, or just end this series? The plan was for the next series to be 9 players, so if y'all want to move on to that I would understand. However, even with 7 players multiple replacement were needed(wylted, daytona, 1harder) so i'm not even sure if a 9 player series would get off the ground, let alone that any beginners would sign up, which is like, the whole point of this series lol.
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@David
@Vaarka
then Budda is arguing that he stated in the rules that if someone was inactive, he'd give them time to PM him during the NP in case they were just gone for a while. Then he'd replace them if that didn't happen, and therefore his actions of telling people had no mod-confirming merit
This is 100% accurate.
@Virtuoso
I already said I was sorry if you felt I crossed the line.
I dont just feel that you crossed the line, you actually crossed the line, and thats not what you are getting here. I'm sorry i slung the rocks you threw at me right back at you. Two wrongs do not make a right, and for that, I am sorry. But accusations of lack of integrity are insulting and hurtful. Especially when its clearly obvious you presumed malfeasance, as opposed to affording me the benefit of the doubt. When you brought up to me previously regarding addressing balance concerns with you in the game, i disagreed that it confirmed anything, however conceded that such addressals were still nonetheless unnecessary as they were not pertinent information necessary to playing the game. That you were incapable of affording me that same due respect and consideration, adds even further insult.
My policy maintains the ability to lurk, which though i hate it, is still a valid strategy for both town and scum based upon situation, and acts as a counter to inactives being presumed as lurkers, which, as i pointed out, was a severe issue that derailed plenty of games before post requirements and inactivity policies started becoming a standard practice around here. Its not fair to all other involved players if a player is inactive, which makes them look like they're lurking, which consequentially makes them look scummy and a candidate for being lynched. But saying my handling of inactivity ruins game integrity, when inactivity itself already causes that integrity to be in part damaged, does not acknowledge such a policy is to try to maintain a semblence of a fair playing field, upon a player not participating. Its unfair for mafia if a member of mafia is inactive, its unfair to town if a member of town is inactive. Its unfair on top of that, for players to not otherwise be informed a player is inactive and needs to be replaced.
Go and read the mafia archives on DDO. You will see a common complaint before post requirements and inactivity policies became a thing, was that it was unfair for players as a whole to not be informed of inactivity. Both for mafia and town. This is 100% true, because that inactivity obviously damages the integrity of the game, and causes actions that otherwise would not have been taken had that player been active or that they were inactive been otherwise known. Actions that often resulted in a loss for the team the inactive player was on.
But whatever, if you are going to refuse to see that you were way out of line in what you accused me of, then so be it. As its said, treat others how you want to be treated. If you feel its acceptable to presume malfeasance and insult me for BS reasons, then you have no grounds to be surprised or angry that I feel its acceptable for me to act that way with you in turn.
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Ironically, ending the game over an accusation of poor integrity would be poor integrity.
Did i choose to end the game, or put it up for a vote? And was that vote put up because of Virts accusation, or because Vaarka posted the wrong role for rational, in essence disclosing the final scum role? (Hint: It was the latter, not the former xD). I feel such a mistake merited ending the game, but could see if people might have otherwise disagreed with me, therefore i put it up to a vote. How does any of that scream, "lack of integrity"?
I'm such a monster not unilaterally making the decision to end the game and allowing the players who have invested time in the series to choose for themselves. Such a lack of integrity, so monstrous, so evil that i *gasp* let players choose for themselves. Bird kinda ruined that, but Earth was the 4th person to want to end the game regardless, so it doesnt really make much of a difference fmpov.
You said the game phase was delayed because you were waiting on harder not because you felt like going out on a Friday night.
My exact response to you in the PM
Later on today, 1Harder didn't post in Dp1 and hasnt notified me he is still participating yet. NP timer will have to fully run out, then replacement request sent out and DP will start
I'm sorry, but how is the phase ending at the maximum time limit, delaying the end of the phase again? Pretty sure, "the NP timer will have to fully run out" means i was giving 1Harder the full, and previously promised, allotted time to announce he was still participating.
Now, either you just blatantly lied, or you struggle in comprehending language. Which is it?
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@Greyparrot
I'll drop the argument once Virtuoso actually apologizes for his accusation that my actions lacked integrity. My anger has dissapated, that doesnt change that the insult was put out there to begin with. I have tolerance for alot of stuff, questioning my integrity is not one of those things.
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The proper way to handle this would be to start the dayphase normally and announce you need a replacement for player X. By announcing to players you're waiting for a player signifies that they're either scum or a PR.
I wasnt the one who started the DP you dolt lol. My god, if i had been the one to post it, dont you think I woulda posted that in the OP? It was my mistake in not informing Vaarka that needed to be done explicitly. but i did make it known 1Harder was going to need to be replaced. But again, the moment i got online and saw it hadn't been done, i posted that he was inactive publicly. This is in essence the same as Daytona, as when questioned about his activity, i made it clearly known that though he was inactive during the NP, the inactivity policy i laid out clearly limited me in replacing him until he had been inactive for 2 phases(starting with a DP of inactivity.)
Really? Thats your complaint? That it wasn't done right away? My bad for wanting to go out on a Friday night and thinking Vaarka, a mod with plenty of experience, could handle it. I'll be ever so sure to make sure i dont go out anywhere in the future when a DP is set to be posted.
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You need to chill the fuck out. The fact you told several players you were wating on harder and didn't inform the entire town siginificantly hurt the game integrity this game
Except, i did that first thing when i got online today. Posted both in the sign-ups and this thread itself. What you need to do is realize you spouted off a specious and obtuse bullshit accusation at someone, over something that amounts to either it not being done right away, or not paying attention
Maybe understand that you can't just go around accusing people of lacking integrity, particularly when you are generally oblivious to the plainly obvious(as evidenced numerously throughout this series) without expecting them to respond? The anger has dissapated at this point. I just want you to understand that what you said was both insulting, and belies you assumed the worst when judging my actions, which is also pretty insulting to boot.
Maybe apologize? I'm sorry for acting in a hostile manner previously, im not sorry for responding to you regarding your insult though. That is more than merited. Do you really think you can go around and accuse people like you did to me,without getting a response? One that is sometimes hostile? I challenge you to go up to someone you know and question their integrity, see what kind of reaction you get most often. (Hint: Its not gonna be a nice one).
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@Vaarka
You're not a bad mod, let me say that. You did a great job this series, just remember not to let your anger or annoyance affect how you interact with the players
I have no issue heeding reasonable complaints. As shown by me acknowledging addreseing balance issues was totally unnecessary.
But when somebody questions my integrity, its far from unreasonable to react angrily. Accusations of a lack of integrity either in actions or as a person, are not trivial accusations by any measure
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@David
For someone who just admitted they would prefer an officiator act in a manner that cannot under any rational metric be defined as being of integrity and also feels informarion crucially necessary to the effective participation of all involved parties, that request is laughably absurd
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On Integrity
As it appears there are those who have a perverse sense of integrity. When an officiator of a game does not disclose how they will officiate, the manner by which the game is played, the rules of that game, and what the involved players need to do to win the game, is actually what constitutes as officiating in a manner that lacks integrity.
To limit myself as an officiator, in the actions i can take, and set forth universal rules by which i myself must adhere to as well(policies and mechanics) cannot be reasoned as a lack of integrity, or actons lacking it.
I invite anyone who feels otherwise to officiate a sports game of any variety, and eject and/or penalize someone for something not otherwise disclosed, and watch as you are widely regarded as a snake and regarded as acting in a manner that constitutes as rigging the game by all involved parties. Which generally tends to result in being barred from officiating in any capacity for the league for which you are officiating, because such officiating practices are de facto unethical.
If you wish to question the integrity of my actions as an officiator, and thusly my integrity as a person, then you best expect a response, just as most any other individual would be compelled to respond to such accusations in near any scenario. Anyone who thinks my actions lack integrity, can kindly go shove that opinion where the sun doesn't shine, because they are but illustrating they wouldn' know integrity in action if it smacked them in the face.
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Start A New Game with Different Theme (0/4)-
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Games Over
Town Roles
1Harder- You are fishing! A sport in which the winner is determined generally by the size of the fish and/or quantity of fish caught in a set period of time(usually over the course of 1 or 2 days). Fishing heavily incorporates the use of sonar technology so as to spot schools of fish, or larger solo fish able to be caught. This use of sonar as a means to determine where fish are in the water, is why you are the cop! Each night you may investigate one person and determine their affiliation. You win with the town.
Earth- You are running! A sport that is as basic as they come, that is centered around one of the most common aspects of the physical abilities of animals, let alone humans. Thusly you are a vanilla, you have no powers except your vote. You win with the town!
XLAV- You are Mixed Martial Arts! A sport in which the goal is to either knock out your opponent, force them to submit, or to win by judge decision. This sport more than most others heavily relies upon the use of medical professionals, physical therapists, and sports trainers to deal with the injuries that oft result. Thusly you are the Doctor! Each night you may target one person and protect them from being killed. You win with the town..
Virtuoso- You are cycling! An individual sport that heavily incorporates the use of teams to aid in one or more of the team members placing highly as individuals. Thusly, you are the miller, and will appear guilty to all affiliation investigations. You win with the town
Smithereens- You are Squash! A sport played indoors between two people, the goal is to fling the ball against a wall with high velocity in the hopes your opponent misses returning it, thus scoring a point. A game that requires fast reflexes and offers great physical excercise for all ages, Squash sadly, has grown defunct as a sport and has all but died, with only a handful of people still playing, and no professional or amateur tournaments being held anymore. Thusly you are a vanilla, you have no powers beyond your vote, and you win with the town.
Mafia Roles
Rational- You are American Football, also known as "Gridiron". In Football it is often said that "defense wins championships" and this importance of good defensive play is why you are the Roleblocker! Once per night you may target one player and any night action they potentially might act upon, will be blocked(fail). You win with the Mafia.
Greyparrot- You are Billiards. Though typically an individual sport, there are a variety of Billiards games that are team based, such as "Doubles", and most amateur pool leagues operate by way of "teams" in which the total win/loss of all individuals is totaled together to become the overall team win/loss record. Thusly you are the Godfather, and will appear as innocent to all affiliation investigations! You win with the mafia
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End the Game (3/4) - Greyparrot, Virtuoso, XLAV
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inactivity iis always bawring
Yes, and if you recall back years ago when the mafia community was more robust on DDO, it also caused numerous games to result in unfair losses. This is why the general practice of post count requirements, and clear inactivity policies was implemented. Because in the event of inactivity, town generally ended up lynching inactives. This is a detriment to a fair game for all involved players.
This inactivity policy is not new. Its pretty much the same as it was the last time i was regularly modding close to two years ago. And being that it seems inactivity is still an issue, im lost as to how countering that with the aforementioned,policy, and relaying information necessary to the game not being derailed due to inactivity, or creating an unfair playing field, is ruining game integrity.
FR man, it just seems like when it comes to particular peoples specious opinions, I'm damned if iIo, and damned if I dont. Particularly when it comes to providing information necessary to properly playing the game itself such as rules, win-cons, and mechanics 🤔.
Never before have i had someone try to claim such information ruins game integrity, and such information should not be provided, yet here it has happened nonetheless.
As I said, fully willing to acknowledge addressing balance concerns is unnecessary, but mechanics, win-con, and replacement policy? WTF 🙇
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@David
Im certainly all ears as to how, actually, a game is best played without the rules of the game, the functions therein, and how one wins that game, being known by the players participating. 🤔
Last i checked, if that's not known, then how TF are you going to play that game to begin with? Cause without, what is being played is not the game at all. For example, if we all played a basketball game, but nobody knew or was informed about traveling and how to dribble the ball, and what they can and cannot do with that ball, then what you get is a game being played that is not basketball anymore.
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honestly as an experienced mod, this is exactly what you should do.
"Hey do TP's win with town or mafia?"
Fuck you, figure it out for yourself
"Can night actions be waived?"
Fuck you, figure it out for yourself
"Hey, this player hasn't been posting, are they going to get replaced?"
Fuck you, figure it out for yourself
"How much activity do i need to produce to not be considered inactive and replaced?"
Fuck you, figure it out for yourself.
"Hey, when's the DP going up?"
Fuck you, figure it out yourself
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Frankly, your perspective is specious AF and ignores the plethora of information related to mechanics and rules necessary to the game 🤔
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I am sorry the screw up in posting the wrong role for Rational happened. Like I said, i gave Vaarka the list of players and roles in full at start of game. Told him what the pertinent night actions were and requested he start the DP for me when the NP timer ran out last night.
I didn't tell him to post the entire role in the OP, so that's my b, but I figured that would be a given cause the standard here is to post the entire role on flip 🤔. Still, I should have expressly said so, as opposed to assuming the general standard in death reveal would be followed.
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End the Game (2/4) - Greyparrot, Virtuoso
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End the Game (1/4) - Greyparrot
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I can also, make a new game. I would just need time to craft the theme, set-up, and roles.
So two votes simultaneous I suppose, if choosing to end the game, would you rather
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I'm not even angry at Vaarka, mistakes happen. That still however, really screw things up. Even if unintentional
So the choice is up to y'all, we can continue the game,, or end it.
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I can understand not wanting to continue, I probably wouldn't want to either. But im not the type to unilaterally end a game even if I think it's the best choice, because im not the only one who has invested into the game, the players have too, so y'all rightfully get that choice. 👌💯
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I have quite a few things to point out to you in the endgame
Oh boy, somebody who has clearly shown repeatedly throughout this series that they dont read OP's and dont pay attention to clearly laid out policy has something to point out.
Please, tell me more about how game integrity was ruined because i was following the exact inactivity replacement policy i detailed at the start of the series.
I didn't post the wrong role PM for Rationals flip. I posted a clear list of players and the roles they had and requested my co-mod start the DP because I was unavailable. Please tell me how else I could have have prevented that mistake from happening. 🤔
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I'm hungover and not in the mood to deal with this shit. Next person who makes an asinine assumption about why i am or am not doing something, when i clearly detailed the process at series start for replacement, is getting mod killed
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@David
Game integrity was really hurt this game
Honestly, fuck you, how about you stop being lazy and pay attention to the OP's
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Obviously if he didn't have a role there wouldn't be a reason to wait for him to do anything.
Does anybody even read the fucking OP's? I detailed replacement policy in the first damn game. As the replacement policy dictates, if a player is inactive in a DP, then they have the entire NP to message me regarding their continued participation.
Honestly, if you lazy fucks arent gonna read OP's and pay attention to rules im just not gonna make them and refuse to answer questions, and let you all figure it out on your own.
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Working on finding a replacement for 1Harder 🤔
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@Vaarka
This is why we cant have nice things 😂😂
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LYNCHED LAST DPRationalMadman - Godfather
Dangit Vaarka, Rational was a roleblocker 🙇
RationalMadman- You are American Football, also known as "Gridiron". In Football it is often said that "defense wins championships" and this importance of good defensive play is why you are the Roleblocker! Once per night you may target one player and any night action they potentially might act upon, will be blocked(fail). You win with the Mafia.
(To repeat, Rational was not a godfather 🙇)
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(hrmmmmmmmm)
Deaf, dumb, and ghosty! You were just paying attention. Turn around, we need to talk about your mirror. 😤
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@secularmerlin
(don't approach just yet, let me try to reason with the spirit. I have a suspicion its Ireena)
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Honey, listen here *snaps fingers* we are here to save your child. We do not want trouble. Wait... are you Ireena by chance?
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@drafterman
(no worries, take ur time hombre. Great job DM'ing so far, this has already been loads of fun)
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@Earth
(just wrap up what ur doing. I still can use blade ward on Merlin and Heroism if need be in the event we run into trouble. Out of spell casts after using heroism again, or another level 1 spell. Blade Ward is a cantrip so can cast that whenever 👌)
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@Earth
(yeah, but Eikken pressed on while waiting as well, and its best we not have her go straight to the source of the lullabye alone 🤔)
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where are the children when we are doing all this exploring?)
(Not a dang clue)
Well, I auppose waiting for Grahf isnt gonna happen, onward to the source of the lullabye it is then. Gotta love easy E, so decisive, i def want to visit a Temple of Zud to see what this deity is all about 😍
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@secularmerlin
Forgot about the baby so soon Zuddy Zudder?
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🎻🎻when darkness falls, upon you
and covers you, in fear and shame
be still and know, that I'm with you
and I will say your name
and if you walk through the valley
where sleep no longer comes
Be still and know, that im with you
Be still, be still, and know 🎻🎻
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