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and those who go out preaching equality for everybody
This is also quite a disgenuine representation of Antifa 😰. As if they only show up when white supremacists show up 😂.
You just see no issue with it because:
there is no moral equivalence between those who fight racism and those who promote it
racism = bad, not racist therefore always good. Thats lacking in... what is it? Rationality and nuance 🙊
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@Zarroette
Racism doesn't exist. Period
If you mean by way of "systemic" the reasonable case could be made that welfare systems operate as a form of systemic racism, but systemic by way of codified law? Read somewhere Asians get docked 50 points on SAT scores, that might indirectly count as that.
Doesn't mean there isnt racism still. Even if you take into account "race" biologically not being a valid taxonomical classification, people can still be "racist" in acting upon such "symbolic" classifications, and thus there necessarily can be "racism" in turn.
To deny racism is the textbook example of "privilege" if ever there was one
Or it could just be someone being obtuse. Confirmation bias much? 😰
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Hold up, you do understand, Africa had empires... 🙊compare in atrocity to the tribal wars of the blacks
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@RationalMadman
Again, conveniently specious scope of nuance. Firjust just white > black. Then now just Ottomon Empire, as if that's either the only non-white empire ever, or the only one of sigbifigance(how bigoted 😏).Ottoman Empire and White-run empires compare in atrocity to the tribal wars of the blacks
which are literally NEVER to do with their supremacy over other races.
Ohhhh, so atrocities are perfectly acceptable, just as long as theyre not about race, a concept thats been tooled around with maybe the past few hundred years. Also, again, rather specious scope of history 🤔
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@RationalMadman
In context of what whites have done to other races throughout history,
But not the context of history overall? Conveniently specious scope of nuance 😏
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@ravensjt
you dont make a moral equivalence between a group of Demonstrators who have a large number or Racists (White Supremists or Nationalists, whatever) and those who go out preaching equality for everybody.
Why not? A component of morality is practical effect thereof. Practicality plays a heavy hand in quite a few rralmsr🤔
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"A new Pentagon report has sounded the alarm over China’s expanding military reach and says the rival to American power is increasing its ability to send bombers further afield while “likely training for strikes” against the United States and its allies.
The warning is contained in an annual Pentagon report prepared for Congress called Military and Security Developments Involving The People’s Republic of China 2018, which further notes a defense spending estimate of $190 billion — a third that of the United States — which has in part gone toward the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) “undergoing the most comprehensive restructure in its history"[1]
The $716 billion defense budget for FY2019 is largely focused on getting U.S. forces ready again for a great power fight, with investments in new fighters, bombers and ships to keep the U.S. at pace with — and ahead of — the Chinese investments.[2]
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@ethang5
"The #1 religion means it's entry requirements are not too vague."
True, for Christianity as a whole, the entry requirements make taking on the torch quite accessible 🤔. I see what you mean
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@ethang5
Well... forums are just more casual discussion so linate can post and not respond. Their choice
honestly though, why would you need to address that? Something being popular =\= being good or right? Its a decent indicator, but not always
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@Castin
Hrmmm, i can see ur point. He wasn't all that out of the ordinary. H.H. Holmes, or a variety of others however, thats some wtf shit.
Maybe the Ripper just hit a sweet spot. Just heinous enough, but not too much so as to be obscenely so, and organically grew into this blown out of proportion figure.
Plus you gotta admit, "Jack the Ripper" is hella catchy 🤔
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@ethang5
but invade their countries when they don't.
That is what our military is for. When diplomacy fails.
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@Greyparrot
Well yeah, but my forehead hurts now 😑
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@Greyparrot
Why would you link me to that? Idc if its racist or not, that is just loaded with face palms 😐
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So yeah sure, call people racist. Either by equating Nationality with race, or by implicit bias. But either way, the term loses its wholly negative connotations at that point by consequence.
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@Beelzedad
You do understand if all those definitions are predicated upon the quoted, all the criticisms of that presupposition equally apply to all definitions derived from it?
"There's a bunch of definitions of race"
Ok, and this is the one you are obviously using because you linked me to it.. and you are doing exactly what i said results from the supplied definition. That is, equating nationality and race. Even if "Mexican" is a race, it is also a Nationality as "Mexico" is a nation.
As I said, using the supplied metric, necessarily means any national identity is consequentially a race 🤔, so long as it is a "symbolic identity created to establish some cultural meaning".
Its clever sophistry, and one that seeks to make any criticisms of any cultural identity groups racist. But if that is the case, as i said, race loses its negative connotations by consequence. Because it comes to include criticisms that are, otherwise, wholly valid criticisms.
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@Castin
Both, i'd personally peg it more on the wealth and influence. But Anti-Semitism wasnt and isnt exactly exclusive to Nazi's. Its been a rather persistent historical trend. Also, there a potentiality that he contracted syphillis from a Jewish prostitute, but its not conclusive. 🤔
But yeah, anti-semites are to me less hating on the group, more hating the group for its overall success. You know how alot of conspiracy theories revolve around a shadowy group of some sort co-ordinating things behind the scenes? Anti-semitism is pretty much that same paranoia fmpov.
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Sure, if you want to define race that way, go ahead. But racism by consequence loses most of its negative connotations because it comes to affect realms of criticism that are more than reasonable to state.
Like, when for example, somebody wants to say, "giving hormone blockers to a 3 year old is borderline, if not outright, child abuse" and they are labeled as transphobic. It loses much of its negative connotations because it's being applied in realms that are not nefarious and/or evil sentiments to espouse.
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Modern scholarship regards race as a social construct, that is, a symbolic identity created to establish some cultural meaning. While partially based on physical similarities within groups, race is not an inherent physical or biological quality.[
Ok then by necessary consequence any espousal of negative sentiments against any cultural group, is automatically bigoted and/or racist.
That in itself is nonsense, if we are going to classify things concretely, and attribute evil, those grounds need be better than that. This in itself is admitting race isnt real in any concrete sense.
That also necessarily means you are equating nationality with race. Nation is a symbolic identity to establish cultural meaning. Ergo, it is a race.
But then by consequence racism loses all nefarious meaning. There is nothing inherently wrong with
with criticizing a cultural group, if those criticisms are justified. As a part of culture is behavior and customs. And certain behaviors and customs are in actuality, incompatible and antithetical to others.
Like cultures that practice paedophilia and child marriages, are quite incompatible with those who dont. Its not nefarious to point that out. But yet, by this nonsense, its racist.
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@Beelzedad
There is no question he is a racist.
Coming from someone who is equating nationality to race..Im gonna hit (X) for doubt
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Mexico has races who live there, some indigenous and some not.
They have various ethnicities, but so does nearly every country. So by consequence, now every nation that has various "races" living within it = seperate race... 🤔
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See you jump to racism, i go, "why attribute evil where pettiness and ego suffice? 🤔
I think a better question is, why are you ignoring that politicians or anyone else really, are people. They have all manner of reasons for misbehavior. Like i got into a fight over cereal once, not saying it was right, just saying, don't touch my loops 😤.
Racism and bigotry require intent, even if people may be unconscious biased in all manner of ways to a variety of things, that doesn't mean they are those things.
Its chasing a ghost. We couldnt ever use it, for say, in a courtroom, because you cant quantify to what degree thought = action. Because not all thoughts, produce action. From my personal experience, not many overall 🤔
I think a better question is, why are you ignoring that politicians or anyone else really, are people. They have all manner of reasons for misbehavior. Like i got into a fight over cereal once, not saying it was right, just saying, don't touch my loops 😤.
Racism and bigotry require intent, even if people may be unconscious biased in all manner of ways to a variety of things, that doesn't mean they are those things.
Its chasing a ghost. We couldnt ever use it, for say, in a courtroom, because you cant quantify to what degree thought = action. Because not all thoughts, produce action. From my personal experience, not many overall 🤔
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@Beelzedad
Questioning impartiality due to shared national heritage? Its silly cause of who the judge is, but its not an outlandish claim to make. Nor does it denote race either.
Again, why are you ignoring the actual person? That Trump has a huge ego is no big secret, he's also confrontational and tends to talk think in simple terms. Agree with me = good, disagree = bad. Sound familiar? 😏
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For the record, Bush was a dolt when it came to threat assessment, but as a hawk that comes with the added benefit of other foes keeping their heads low so as not to draw attention. Bush is just the kinda guy to be fooled by that. Intelligent, but a bit slow and gullible fmpov 🤔
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@1harderthanyouthink
Things weren't as bad.
True, we were just coming off 8 years of Bush, and him and Putin got along well, mainly fmpov because Bush showed a total willingness to use overt military action. Incorrect move with Iraq, but that + Afghanistan sent a message loud and clear nonetheless. Putins ass kissing was lying low so he didnt get the boot himself 😂.
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Though given its Russia, a jingoistic reaction is understandable. "Its not the Cold War Mitt" was a silly sentiment and foolish at the time it was said. I'm just glad Dems have come to see Russia actually was and is still very much a threat 👏.
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@Greyparrot
The left can be jingoistic and nationalistic where Russia is concerned.
Im not sure if it's seen as either. Russia is a predominantly white country, i think white = bad. Russia = white. Therefore Russia = bad.
Might be what's going on 🤔
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Just look at how the devout try so desperately to defend their unabashed racism, it is so sad.
Idk man, people have varied AF personalities and jumping immediately to, "its racist" ignores alot of aspects of being human 🤔.
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@Castin
Lol yeah, my first posts were super rambly and not very clear statements 😂😂.
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@Castin
Like it appears XLAV said as well, you dont have to even convince people such and such group needs to die. You just need to paint their existence as necessarily evil and watch as people do the work for you 🤔
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My whole previous point about the thought process that lead to the Holocaust, is that its not hard to follow. And really, its wouldn't probably be that hard to accomplish today cause people haven't exactly drastically changed 🤔
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Like for example culturally the Jewish faith/ethnicity has always been strong on the family unit, education, and working hella hard. Data these days has only come to illustrate exactly how beneficial these things are to success both present, future, and posterity 👍
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@Castin
I think they're a storied people who have a culture and ethic that breeds intense success. Thats not something to be hateful, envious, or covetous about. That's something to celebrate and be like, "what can we all do, that this culture does that leads to this kind of overall success" 🤔
Pretty sure you expect me to come out and be like, "omg they're evil" no lmao. I'm not covetous in nature, success to me is to be celebrated, not painted as evil 👏👏
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I think alot of the conflict on the simple formula is because it's just a scosh hard to stomach that say, a violent criminal could get into heaven because he accepts Christ's forgiveness, while a person who has not harmed another would not if they did not accept.
It really amount to wanting to render unto God, what God has no interest in(Caesars things aka material and earthly matters).
This is all of course just my interpretation of the NT. I dont practice, and am rather skeptical of religion 🤔
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so what's the magical formula?
To be rightcheous or get into heaven? To be rightcheous you give up all your possessions and follow Jesus(to his death). Selflessness and Martyrdom is quite rightcheous wouldn't you agree?
To get into heaven? Different, you just gotta accept Christ, acknowledge your sinfulness, and accept the forgiveness that was offered with his death. Getting into heaven doesn't mean you are rightcheous, just means you were absolved of your sins fmpov
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@ethang5
I don't see why not? And we can add we all get to be President for a day 🔥👏
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Cause fmpov, when ideals don't match reality, it seems "i should reconsider how realistic my ideals are" isnt something that generally occurs, rather, oftentimes its reality itself that now has to change. And once you start going down that path, its not too long before *oops* a buncha people are dead 😰
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@keithprosser
I think it is useful to do so because it helps us think what our aspirations should be.
Or it's just an excuse to shit on something or someone unrealistically. Cuomo doesnt just place it very high, he places it at an impossible level. While understanding the usefulness of high expectations, being unpragmatic and turning it into a wild goose chase of pure idealism while throwing the pragmatic to the wind is... far from virtuous behavior.
Plus it often falls prey to the, "road to hell is paved with good intentions"
That's pretty accurate of progressives fmpov. Falsely attributing virtue to idealism, then running straight into hell in pursuit of generally well intentioned ideals. 🤔
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@keithprosser
What and when was this 'great America' Trump wants to return to?
Idk, going back to Reagan seems like it'd be pretty dope. But, i think the phrase itself is more of a reference to Obama and his foreign policy. Alot of his campaigning had to do with reasserting American dominance
Cuomos speech was him appealing to progressives and Socialists. Who all predominantly hold the opinion America was never great, because like Cuomo in his speech, they compare it to something non-existent and highly implausible.
Yes, America will truly be great when all women are given 100% respect all the time, and everyone is "engaged"(whatever that meant).... and well if we're just making an unrealistic wish list, American will truly be great when everyone has a jacuzzi, a Bougati Veyron, and acts without sin. Oh and crime is zero, and pigs can fly. That's greatness 😰😂
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@Beelzedad
So wait, hold up, people aren't always what they say they are? And being a Russian spy had nothing at all to do with Russia? Hrmmmmm 🤔You're confused. The Russian lawyer was about being a spy, not Russian.
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he says things that are racist, but that doesn't mean he is one.
apparently a mexican judge can't be neutral because he is mexican.
Well that same Judge ruled against him in a lawsuit. Not saying its not silly AF to posit a conflict of interest for a US Judges, born in Indiana, on the basis of national heritage. But Trump just seems fmpov to just not like the dude cause of the lawsuit, cause when that same judge upheld construction of his border wall in california, he was like, "A US Judge gave us a big win" 🔥😰
he said obama wasn't born in the usa.
Not saying it wasn't silly considering enough evidence was fmpov present to conclude he was born in Hawaii. But a non-native national parent for a President is gonna raise eyebrows and paranoia. I think it started out as paranoia, and turned into a pissing match between the two. Pretty sure Obama got his jabs in too 😂
the only thing basis in both cases that trump had to say anything was color of skin.
If you decide to ignore that people are... people, and dont act rude or petty or mean, etc. to one another unless they're a different race. Then yeah, the only basis 🤔
it's an unjustified prejudice, even if he's not fully aware of it.
A prejudice sure, but prejudices, biases if you will, come in all manner of varities. Why must it only be race? 🤔
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@drafterman
Also, the legal theory of "felony murder" could be argued to apply to P1 as well, making them as legally culpable for P2's death as P3 is.
Ive never heard of it before. Looked it up, seems like it necessarily would incorporate those who lack the intent of murder 🤔. However, seems wholly applicable to this type of scenario tbh
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@linate
it's an unjustified prejudice, even if he's not fully aware of it.
Unconscious(implicit?) bias?
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*unusual, strange, and facially, or upon examination of implications, irrational(to whatever degree) or immoral PoV 🤔
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@Greyparrot
I use the term to denote unusual or strange perspectives/opinions.
Not to be confused with "getting spicy" as in exchanging a less than respectful and friendly communication 🔥🔥
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I hope your delusions are comforting enough to counteract the pains of most people disliking how you act and not wanting to deal with it. I truly hope it does, but doubt it does 🤔
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@RationalMadman
That combined with your victimhood complex makes you act like a dick to pretty much everyone and abandon ethics on top of that. Then you act even more like a victim when people dont wanna deal with that kinda mentality.
Consider: Most people dislike you because you are often a dick for no reason, and entirely delusional.
For example, in our recent gaffe of a debate because YOU GOT BANNED, you come back and rather than noticing, "hey, he obviously figured the debate was effectively done being there was only one effective participant"
You go: "Obviously he was underestimating me and being nefarious" as justification for abandoning what would be the ethical choice in canceling and restarting. You instead insist upon the debate continuing, while simultaneously the debate is restarted.
"Poor strategy and lack of effort"
Wow, such poor strategy seeing ones opponent get banned and losing interest in continuing it to a detailed degree.
"If anyone knows me, they know my strategy"(reference to being banned). First off, this is delusionally attributing personal intent to something you had zero choice in.
Secondly, you flat out admit you consider acting unethically, as proposed, to be entirely acceptable. How you can think anyone dislikes you for no reason given that, is equally delusional.
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@drafterman
Thats a solid moral argument 🤔
he hit man in question is offering himself up to commit murders. At the end of the story he's killing someone. Maybe not this victim, but a murder is happening at some point.
This is an interesting take, but does the hitman killing someone else besides P2, relevant to whether or not P2 would have been killed, if P1 had not solicited P3 to do so?
I can acknowledge this is a rational basis for holding the hitman more guilty, but it also seems to necessarily remove P1 from consideration in being held with being charged with murder facially.
To my knowledge, wouldnt P1 in all likelihood be charged with "conspiracy to(murder)" while p3 would be charged with "murder" itself?
Wouldn' this argument necessarily preclude P1 from recieving a similar punishment? 🤔
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