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@zedvictor4
Are you suggesting we should view human nature from a darwinian perspective, and what do you believe this would imply?
What do you mean by one can only be an altruist if one can afford to be an altruist?
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@zedvictor4
What is Yin Yang in comment 22?
Are you saying my comment contains a balanced perspective of Yin and Yang, or my view is Yin and to another person's Yang?
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@TWS1405_2
I never claimed that any nontraditional gender identities were or were not sensical. You associated trauma with autonomy, and I wanted to express how animals can be traumatized as well because I thought it would be helpful for our discussion. Do you not believe this is sufficient to consider that trauma is not associated with autonomy assuming that we believe animals are not autonomous and yet have sufficiently been documented to have trauma?
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@TWS1405_2
By no means am I trying to be one sided, I'm here with the intent of hearing others perspectives and considering their validity with the experience I have obtained.
Please understand it is a positive characteristic not to accept anyone's word on a dime. I am quite skeptical and need to thoroughly consider my options before making a decision. As of yet, my understanding seems to be the most reasonable to me, but of course, that is why I'm discussing it with you, because I'm interested in hearing.
Here are my results from your search from APA about the relationship of autonomy and trauma:
- Autonomy is the ability to act in accordance with one’s own values, preferences, and goals. It is an important aspect of psychological well-being and resilience.
- Trauma is an emotional response to a terrible event that can cause various symptoms such as unpredictable emotions, flashbacks, strained relationships, and physical problems. Trauma can also impair one’s sense of autonomy and agency.
- Trauma-informed care is an approach that recognizes the impact of trauma on people’s lives and helps them heal in a safe and respectful way. It involves understanding the signs and symptoms of trauma, creating a trusting and supportive environment, and empowering people to make choices and have control over their recovery.
- Autonomy restoration is the process of regaining one’s sense of autonomy after a traumatic event. It can involve re-establishing personal boundaries, expressing one’s needs and preferences, making decisions, taking actions, and pursuing meaningful goals.
- Autonomy restoration can enhance one’s psychological well-being, coping skills, self-esteem, and post-traumatic growth. It can also reduce the risk of developing post-traumatic stress disorder, depression, anxiety, and other mental health problems.
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@TWS1405_2
Some of the animals that have been studied for failure to thrive due to trauma include:
- Snowshoe hares: These animals experience chronic stress from living surrounded by predators, which causes them to eat less and bear fewer babies. The trauma of living through repeated predator chases triggers lasting changes in their brain chemistry that parallel those seen in the brains of traumatized people.
- Chimpanzees: These animals suffer from the loss of their family members, injuries, and isolation due to human activities such as poaching, hunting, and habitat destruction. They show signs of post-traumatic stress disorder, such as agitation, anger, fear, and insomnia.
- Elephants: These animals are affected by historical and cultural traumas, such as the ivory trade, culling, and war. They exhibit symptoms of depression, anxiety, aggression, and flashbacks. They also transmit their trauma across generations through social learning and possibly genetic mechanisms.
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@TWS1405_2
I'm currently researching what you suggested just so that way I can become more familiarized with your stance. However, I am aware many animals can become traumatized and failed to thrive because of an emotional event that occurred to them. Assuming we do not consider these animals autonomous, I hardly believe there is an association. Nonetheless, I am considering it.
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@TWS1405_2
I apologize if I came across as misogynistic; One of my questions is whether this characteristic is only of women or if men also share it, so I do not mean to be.
Additionally, I have posted in my AboutMe on why I believe the debate side of the website is not beneficial for discovering truth, since people become attached to their position and afraid of losing their points. Therefore, in my pursuit of truth, I desire to discuss on the forums.
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@Best.Korea
That is quite an extensive list. Do you notice any consistencies or patterns in the instructions that could capture the essence of the larger picture being painted by these elements? As far as I can tell they act towards managing depression by taking care of your body and mind through proper nutrition, exercise, and rest, while also nurturing a positive mindset. Actively engage your mind in activities you enjoy to distract from dwelling on negative thoughts, foster social connections, and practice mindfulness.
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@Greyparrot
Interesting, so PTSD might be a severe form of cognitive dissonance?
As far as I can tell, not cognitive dissonance, but living in ignorance when the world comes crashing down and indisputably shows them how dreadfully wrong they are. Leading up to the point, they have chosen not to understand the world for what it is, but instead rationalize and compartmentalize different aspects of the world to fit their hypothetical happy place. Then when the world indisputably shatters that understanding and foundation of belief, they cannot trust themselves to understand the world anymore and everything to them becomes unknown, including the dangers of the world. Not knowing where the dangers are or who the enemy is is what I believe is truly traumatic.
Of course, it's open to discussion. I am not set in stone on this matter, but that is why I am discussing it with you all.
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@TWS1405_2
Speaking of subjective, nonsensical is such a word. Regardless, I'm on this forum to learn. If you believe contrary to what I say, then you have the right to post articles that prove me wrong. If I wanted to learn all the answers myself I would, but I'm here instead. I have researched substantially in every topic that I bring forward for discussion. I'm hoping that you and others could present to me something that I could not research which is personal and individual opinions and perspectives that perhaps I had not considered.
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@TWS1405_2
The trauma surpasses the duration of the experience which means it's not only linked to the experience but something more than that. I think it is linked to a person's recognition that their understanding of the world is insufficient, and they don't know how to prevent the traumatic experience from happening again and something truly horrific that you have no understanding of when it may occur in the future is a monster that lurks in the darkness, and you are sitting helplessly waiting for it to strike. I believe that is what is truly terrifying, not the experience itself.
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@Best.Korea
It doesn't work only if you have low IQ and no self control. So yes, for most women it doesn't work.
I don't think women have a lower IQ than men, but I do think they are more abstract, while men are more analytical.
In general, women are better at art, while men are better at engineering.
I discovered that you can simply not think about the bad event, and the trauma goes away.
I don't believe that, even if this is possible, it is a good idea. If bad things happen and we forget them, we have learned nothing. This is why our subconscious reminds us in the first place.
However, women, in their infinite stupidity, constantly think and talk about their rape.
I believe they need to express their trauma in order to release what has dwelled within them.
It sometimes is the only way to heal.
I actually wrote an entire program with over 200 chapters on suppressing bad memories and depression. One of the key elements, besides certain diet and water drinking habits, was to absolutely never think or focus on the bad memory but to move on, forget and do that which makes you happy.
I believe happiness is different than meaning, as expressed by Dr. Jordan Peterson, and as I expressed above, I believe the suppression of memories is costly, since one loses the opportunity to prevent it in the future. Instead, they have been exposed to malevolence, and they must bear its existence without knowing when it will strike. This is truly terrifying.
Denying yourself of quick pleasure makes you happy.Problem solving makes you happy. Setting obstacles for yourself and overcoming them makes you happy.Not eating but tolerating hunger for some time makes you happy.Eating only once or twice a day makes you happy. Drinking lots of water at once, about 600 mililiters if you weight 60 kg, makes you happy, although should not be done more than 2 times per day.Practicing "presence in the moment", where you avoid thinking about things that arent there, and only think and focus on the current environment, your breathing, body, senses...ect. makes you happy.
I believe that meaning is different than happiness, but I do believe meaning is experienced through the pursuit of one's aspirations which are different for many people. One may believe that losing weight is what they truly desire, in which this case would be true, while another cares less about their weight and is only concerned about raising the next generation, so they have a meaning that will surpass their lifespan, in which this case would not be true.
I wrote down over 200 things that make people happy and that solve bad memories, and to no great suprise, rape victims do almost completely opposite of my total program and then they feel bad.So yes, women make lots of mistakes and therapists are of no help since no therapist works with proper program.
I'd like to hear more about the details of your program. Specifically, the key points, perhaps a simple yet sufficient list of steps with a brief explanation of why. I have done much research in this area and your studies are quite contrary to what I have learned but you seem to be well versed in the topic, so I'm interested in hearing more of your research. Most of my studies have been founded on the research of Jordan Peterson, Carl Young, and Sigmund Freud.
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@Greyparrot
do you think PTSD is a choice then?
I believe that PTSD is a result of being shown reality when one has remained ignorant and chosen to model the world incorrectly. It is at this moment that they cannot know how the world works because they have voluntarily remained ignorant rather than seeking to understand the world and it is this voluntary action that leads to the potentiality of PTSD.
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@Greyparrot
When women have a traumatic event with a man, and that event is the polar opposite of stability and security, that enduring memory of rape can make it extremely hard to achieve the perception of security and stability in all future relationships with men.
Do you think that this view of instability and insecurity is presented to them towards only men or humanity in general, or is this different for different individuals?
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@Best.Korea
Plenty of involuntary experiences in life.I think trauma is a choice, since trauma can exist only while you think about said event, and thinking about said event is a choice.Maybe mental damage isn't a choice, but trauma is.
I believe that dwelling on a past event is voluntary, but being reminded of a past event is involuntary. It was Sigmund Freud who believed that our subconscious collects abstract concepts from our surroundings and our past that we ourselves miss and it tries to enlighten us through memories and dreams that it reminds us of involuntarily. It primarily wishes us to learn from our mistakes and once we have fully understood the past it will cease to remind us.
In other words, if you are continually and involuntarily reminded of a past experience, you have not fully understood what needs to be learned, only once you understand what your subconscious desires you to know will it cease to remind you.
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@Athias
Those are excellent and related questions that reflect the same principle.
Why is a voluntary act fine, but the same act unvoluntary is traumatic?
Additionally, do only women experience this, do they experience it more than men, or do they experience this equally?
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@n8nrgim
If you could choose your favorite quote, what would it be? If not, which are your three favorites?
Furthermore, what do they mean to you, and how have they impacted your actions?
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@Athias
I've always loved this quote from The Old Man and the Sea by Ernest Hemingway,“But man is not made for defeat… A man can be destroyed but not defeated.”
What does this quote mean to you, and how has it impacted your actions?
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@Athias
Could you explain the reasoning behind your response of "No?"
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@Athias
I agree that emotions are important because they are necessary to have meaning. However, I believe emotions should never supersede an emotional detached standpoint. If my emotions tell me to buy an expensive car that I can barely afford this is unacceptable and I must think practically and in a way that my emotions disapprove, But in a circumstance where my emotionally detached self claims that neither option is optimal then my emotions can make the further choice. For example, two cars are practical and expense and affordable yet one I like over the other and therefore with the emotional detached self approving of both options the emotional side can then choose between those options.
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We will discuss the many perspectives to understand the trauma of rape, assuming sex of equal experience would have been fine.
We are to make the assumption that the hypothetical rape was of equal intensity to their usual sex, and that they have become traumatized by the equal experience.
We will cover the following questions to get started:
Why is it that women can endure sex, but rape of an equal experience is traumatizing?
Is the source of trauma embedded in fully recognizing one's helplessness?
Is the past determined by our perspective, and the same experience if viewed positive or negative will be such an experience?
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- Be open-minded and curious. Do not dismiss or ignore answers that challenge your reality or beliefs. Try to embrace them as opportunities to learn and grow. Try to approach them with logical, critical, and professional minds, and seek to understand the evidence and reasoning behind them.
- Be empathetic and respectful. Do not judge or ridicule other people’s perspectives or experiences. Try to comprehend their viewpoints and appreciate their contributions to the larger and more intricate reality. Try to see how different perspectives can form a more complex and complete picture of the world.
- Be honest and responsible. Always prioritize speaking the truth and avoid making definitive claims when uncertain. Use qualifiers like "about," "I saw," "I think," or "I believe" to convey information accurately.
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@Intelligence_06
Yes, I agree that is a selfless as society could possibly achieve.
The question is whether they received something in self-interest physical or not. Of course, some people regret realizing that the cost was not sufficient for the reward, but I'm referring to people who intended to receive something.
It seems that you described truly horrific and physically demanding events in war that were unnecessary and voluntarily accepted.
What was it they were really doing? They were not killing themselves for no point. Instead, they had a mission one that they were willing to put their life on the line for even knowing that there was almost certainty or there was certainty of their death. They were willing to risk everything in order to achieve that goal. Why was that goal so incredibly important to them? Did they no longer value their life, or did they value other lives more than their own?
I believe that one obtains meaning through the pursuit of one's aspirations. I believe that these soldiers gained a sense of meaning and purpose that was missing in their life beforehand. They would never have another opportunity again to amount to something because in the past they viewed themselves as useless and pointless existing beings. Instead, now they could do something that would save many lives by giving up their own which is the definition of selflessness as you care about others more than yourself. However, in doing so one gains a sense of meaning that is associated with becoming the hero and I believe that it is meaning that they received in return. Meaning is a powerful force and to recognize people will sacrifice their own life to die with meaning is imperative. In other words, I don't think they volunteered to kill themselves for no point I believe they had a point, and that point was what they believed was worth dying for and what they believed was worth dying for was their aspiration and it was in that pursuit that they obtained meaning. To live without meaning is to never live, but to die with meaning is to have lived for a moment.
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@TwoMan
Or to avoid negative consequences such as the feeling of guilt for not having taken that action.
Which could be viewed as gaining peace of mind.
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The idea with this forum is to remain concise and to the point. How much can you say with how few of words?
Not abrupt, but powerfully captivating.
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Here are my three favorite quotes that I have formulated:
- "Life is only precious because it's finite."
- This quote emphasizes that our awareness of life's impermanence demonstrates its value. The limited time we have makes life precious.
- This quote emphasizes that our awareness of life's impermanence demonstrates its value. The limited time we have makes life precious.
- "Life is meaningful through our pursuit of aspirations."
- This quote suggests that life gains meaning through our pursuit of personal goals and aspirations, which give direction and purpose.
- This quote suggests that life gains meaning through our pursuit of personal goals and aspirations, which give direction and purpose.
- "Only when you truly live will you truly die."
- This quote reflects the idea that the more we live and value life the more we will appreciate our time before death, which will come much sadder yet fulfilled. Meanwhile a person who never truly lives will never truly die, since he was never alive to begin with.
- This quote reflects the idea that the more we live and value life the more we will appreciate our time before death, which will come much sadder yet fulfilled. Meanwhile a person who never truly lives will never truly die, since he was never alive to begin with.
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My favorite quote: "A man's worth is determined by how much truth he can tolerate." - Friedrich Nietzsche
I believe it has impacted me because I can see it in myself and everyone around me. We seek to understand the world, thus we build a structure to interpret it, but the world always changes, and we gain deeper understanding as we learn. The world cannot remain constrained to our past understanding, but we feel it necessary to persist when it is time to let go. I now having identified this flaw in myself can actively seek to fix it. People are naturally bent in a subjective flaw of imperfection; it is only by actively striving can we force our naturally bent nature to stand upright.
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Quotes, quotes, and more quotes.
You can make your own ones too.
We will cover the following questions to get started:
What are your favorite quotes?
Why do those quotes impact you?
What would your famous quotes be if you became a famous thinker?
Please help productively refine my and others' understanding by following these guidelines:
- NUMBER 1: Please ask questions and only state a dispute with an example to improve my understanding, this forum is intended to educate with an interactive environment.
- Be open-minded and curious. Do not dismiss or ignore answers that challenge your reality or beliefs. Try to embrace them as opportunities to learn and grow. Try to approach them with logical, critical, and professional minds, and seek to understand the evidence and reasoning behind them.
- Be empathetic and respectful. Do not judge or ridicule other people’s perspectives or experiences. Try to comprehend their viewpoints and appreciate their contributions to the larger and more intricate reality. Try to see how different perspectives can form a more complex and complete picture of the world.
- Be honest and responsible. Always prioritize speaking the truth and avoid making definitive claims when uncertain. Use qualifiers like "about," "I saw," "I think," or "I believe" to convey information accurately.
- Be clear about the source of your knowledge when sharing with others. This fosters a truthful and respectful environment for discussions.
- Be relevant and on-topic. Do not deviate from the main topic of the forum. Do not post irrelevant or off-topic comments and links that aren't productive to the questions being discussed.
- Be constructive and creative. Do not simply criticize or reject other people’s ideas. Try to offer positive feedback, suggestions, or alternatives.
- Be clear and concise. Try to use clear and accurate language as much as possible. To have effective communication it is necessary to speak understandably.
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I believe that every sane person acts rationally by seeking something in return for their actions. This can range from straightforward transactions, like buying something, to more complex situations, such as fostering mutually beneficial relationships. Even when giving seemingly selflessly, individuals often receive intangible rewards, like a sense of virtue or emotional fulfillment. In essence, I see every action as driven by an inherent desire to gain or experience something in return.
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I would like to explore different case scenarios where a person could be viewed as being completely selfless and virtuous. Then we will examine closely whether they received something in return.
We will cover the following questions to get started:
Can humans truly act selflessly?
Does anyone truly act selflessly?
Should anyone truly act selflessly?
Please help productively refine my and others' understanding by following these guidelines:
- NUMBER 1: Please ask questions and only state a dispute with an example to improve my understanding, this forum is intended to educate with an interactive environment.
- Be open-minded and curious. Do not dismiss or ignore answers that challenge your reality or beliefs. Try to embrace them as opportunities to learn and grow. Try to approach them with logical, critical, and professional minds, and seek to understand the evidence and reasoning behind them.
- Be empathetic and respectful. Do not judge or ridicule other people’s perspectives or experiences. Try to comprehend their viewpoints and appreciate their contributions to the larger and more intricate reality. Try to see how different perspectives can form a more complex and complete picture of the world.
- Be honest and responsible. Always prioritize speaking the truth and avoid making definitive claims when uncertain. Use qualifiers like "about," "I saw," "I think," or "I believe" to convey information accurately.
- Be clear about the source of your knowledge when sharing with others. This fosters a truthful and respectful environment for discussions.
- Be relevant and on-topic. Do not deviate from the main topic of the forum. Do not post irrelevant or off-topic comments and links that aren't productive to the questions being discussed.
- Be constructive and creative. Do not simply criticize or reject other people’s ideas. Try to offer positive feedback, suggestions, or alternatives.
- Be clear and concise. Try to use clear and accurate language as much as possible. To have effective communication it is necessary to speak understandably.
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@Athias
Striving towards objectivity is not that you will strive towards viewing the world independent of perception but independent of emotion, which often causes us to make unsound judgment and erroneous decisions. As a result, it is better to view the world through a non-emotional and self-detached state, often associated with the definition of objectivity, which is impossible to achieve, yet we are capable of striving towards and improving our decisions.
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@zedvictor4
I seek to resolve all and any of my logical flaws, hence my willingness of public exposure and vulnerability to critical disputes.
"A man's worth is determined by how much truth he can tolerate." - Friedrich Nietzsche
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@zedvictor4
No, it is most certainly impossible to view the world independent of personal perspective or bias. We are subjects of being and view everything through our perspective of the world. However, it is possible to strive towards viewing the world objectively, such as the Buddha, finding inner peace and self-detachment.
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@zedvictor4
It seems that IQ may reflect a person’s general cognitive potential, while critical thinking may reflect a person’s ability to use their cognitive skills effectively.
Perhaps this could be related to a computer. The computer processing power is its IQ, But the efficiency of the program running on the computer is its efficiency of critical thinking. A person may have an exceedingly high IQ and exceptionally low efficiency with critical thinking. Contrarily a person may have an exceptionally low IQ and have an extremely high efficiency with critical thinking.
Person 1:
- 200% IQ
- 50% CT
- Effective IQ is 100 (same)
Person 2:
- 80% IQ
- 125% CT
- Effective IQ is 100 (same)
I'm attempting to demonstrate that critical thinking is the efficiency of one's IQ put to use, and that a person with a high IQ might have a low ability to critical think meanwhile a person with average to minimal IQ could compare if they refined their critical thinking skills.
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@zedvictor4
If you too see the issue with my stance that I couldn't see when Tarik disputed, then please explain so that I might then understand.
I believe I understood your analogy, but I don't see the correlation you are trying to draw.
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@Tarik
I just created a forum where we can focus on understanding Objective and Subjective at a philosopher's depth.
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Latin:
- objectivus, meaning “pertaining to an object”
- subjectivus, meaning “pertaining to a subject”
The words objectivus and subjectivus were derived from the words objectum and subjectum, which were the past participles of the verbs obicio and subicio. These verbs meant “to throw before” and “to place under”, respectively. The words objectum and subjectum were used by medieval philosophers to refer to the logical categories of things that are predicated or asserted, and things that are the basis or foundation of predication or assertion. For example, in the statement “The sky is blue”, the sky is the subject and blue is the predicate. The words objectivus and subjectivus were used to describe the relation of these logical categories to the mind or the senses. For example, an objective thing was something that was presented to the mind or the senses, while a subjective thing was something that was dependent on the mind or the senses.
The words objectivus and subjectivus were used to describe the relation of logical categories to the mind or the senses. An objective thing was something that was presented to the mind or the senses, while a subjective thing was something that was dependent on the mind or the senses.
Greek:
- antikeimenikos, meaning “opposed, contrary, or objective”
- hypokeimenikos, meaning “underlying, fundamental, or subjective”
The words antikeimenikos and hypokeimenikos were derived from the words antikeimenon and hypokeimenon, which were the present participles of the verbs antikeimai and hypokeimai. These verbs meant “to lie opposite” and “to lie under”, respectively. The words antikeimenon and hypokeimenon were used by ancient philosophers to refer to the metaphysical categories of things that are opposed or contrary, and things that are underlying or fundamental. For example, in the theory of forms, the forms are the antikeimena, while the sensible things are the hypokeimena. The words antikeimenikos and hypokeimenikos were used to describe the nature or quality of these metaphysical categories. For example, an antikeimenikos thing was something that was objective, real, or universal, while a hypokeimenikos thing was something that was subjective, apparent, or particular.
The words antikeimenikos and hypokeimenikos were used to describe the nature or quality of metaphysical categories. An antikeimenikos thing was something that was opposed, contrary, or objective, while a hypokeimenikos thing was something that was underlying, fundamental, or subjective.
French:
- objectif, meaning “objective, impartial, or goal”
- subjectif, meaning “subjective, personal, or dependent”
The words objectif and subjectif were derived from the Latin words objectivus and subjectivus, but they also incorporated some influences from the Greek words antikeimenikos and hypokeimenikos. The words objectif and subjectif were used by modern philosophers to refer to the epistemological categories of things that are independent or impartial, and things that are dependent or influenced by personal feelings or opinions. For example, in the theory of knowledge, an objectif thing was something that was based on facts or evidence, while a subjectif thing was something that was based on experience or interpretation.
The words objectif and subjectif were used to describe the independence or dependence of epistemological categories on personal feelings or opinions. An objectif thing was something that was not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts, while a subjectif thing was something that was based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
German:
- objektiv, meaning “objective, factual, or real”
- subjektiv, meaning “subjective, biased, or individual”
The words objektiv and subjektiv were derived from the Latin words objectivus and subjectivus, but they also incorporated some influences from the French words objectif and subjectif. The words objektiv and subjektiv were used by modern philosophers to refer to the ontological categories of things that are factual or real, and things that are biased or individual. For example, in the theory of reality, an objektiv thing was something that existed as it is, regardless of whether anyone perceives it or not, while a subjektiv thing was something that existed in the mind, as opposed to the thing as it exists in itself.
The words objektiv and subjektiv were used to describe the factualness or realness of ontological categories. An objektiv thing was something that was factual, real, or existing as it is, while a subjektiv thing was something that was biased, individual, or existing in the mind.
English:
- objective, meaning “independent of personal perspective or bias”
- subjective, meaning “dependent on personal perspective or bias”
The words objective and subjective were derived from the Latin words objectivus and subjectivus, but they also incorporated some influences from the Greek, French, and German words antikeimenikos, hypokeimenikos, objectif, subjectif, objektiv, and subjektiv. The words objective and subjective were used by various fields of human inquiry to refer to different aspects or dimensions of things that are independent or dependent of personal perspective or bias. For example, in philosophy, objective and subjective refer to the nature of knowledge, truth, and reality; in ethics, objective and subjective refer to the nature of moral values, judgments, and actions; in science, objective and subjective refer to the nature of scientific methods, observations, and explanations; in grammar, objective and subjective refer to the grammatical case of nouns and pronouns; in history, objective and subjective refer to the degree of bias or interpretation in historical research and writing.
The words objective and subjective were used to refer to different aspects or dimensions of things that are independent or dependent of personal perspective or bias in various fields of human inquiry. For example, in philosophy, objective and subjective refer to the nature of knowledge, truth, and reality; in ethics, objective and subjective refer to the nature of moral values, judgments, and actions; in science, objective and subjective refer to the nature of scientific methods, observations, and explanations; in grammar, objective and subjective refer to the grammatical case of nouns and pronouns; in history, objective and subjective refer to the degree of bias or interpretation in historical research and writing.
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The main differences between the definitions of objectivity and subjectivity from Miriam Webster, Oxford, and Wikipedia:
Miriam Webster - Objectivity:
- The quality or state of being true even outside of a subject’s individual biases, perspectives, and interpretations.
Miriam Webster - Subjectivity:
- The quality or state of being based on or influenced by personal feelings, tastes, or opinions.
Oxford - Objectivity:
- The quality or state of being not influenced by personal feelings or opinions in considering and representing facts.
Oxford - Subjectivity:
- The quality or state of being dependent on the mind or on an individual’s perception for its existence.
Wikipedia - Objectivity:
- The concept of being true independently from individual subjectivity
Wikipedia - Subjectivity:
- The concept of being influenced by personal perspective, experience, or bias
As you can see, the definitions of objectivity and subjectivity are similar across the three sources, but they also have some variations in wording and emphasis. For example:
- Miriam Webster uses the word true to describe objectivity, implying that there is a correspondence between reality and representation. Oxford uses the word facts, implying that there is a distinction between objective and subjective knowledge. Wikipedia uses the word concept, implying that objectivity is an abstract idea that may not be attainable in practice.
- Miriam Webster uses the word biases to describe subjectivity, implying that there is a deviation from objectivity. Oxford uses the word feelings, implying that there is an emotional component to subjectivity. Wikipedia uses the word perspective, implying that there is a diversity of viewpoints among subjects.
- Miriam Webster and Oxford use the word quality to describe both objectivity and subjectivity, implying that they are attributes or characteristics of something. Wikipedia uses the word concept to describe both objectivity and subjectivity, implying that they are notions or ideas that can be discussed or analyzed.
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Objectivity generally means the quality or state of being independent of the personal perspective, preferences, emotions, or imagination of a person or a group of people. An objective statement, judgment, or claim is based on observable facts and verifiable evidence that can be agreed upon by multiple observers. An objective reality is something that exists as it is, regardless of whether anyone perceives it or not.
Subjectivity generally means the quality or state of being dependent on the personal perspective, preferences, emotions, or imagination of a person or a group of people. A subjective statement, judgment, or claim is based on personal experience and individual interpretation that can vary from one observer to another. A subjective reality is something that exists in the mind, as opposed to the thing as it exists in itself.
The terms objectivity and subjectivity have different meanings and implications in different contexts and disciplines. For example:
- In philosophy, objectivity and subjectivity are related to the nature of knowledge, truth, and reality. Philosophers debate whether we can ever know objective reality, or whether all knowledge is subjective and relative. Some philosophers argue that there are objective truths that are independent of human minds, while others argue that truth is always constructed by human language, culture, and history.
- In ethics, objectivity and subjectivity are related to the nature of moral values, judgments, and actions. Ethicists debate whether there are objective moral standards that apply to all people at all times, or whether morality is subjective and depends on personal or cultural preferences. Some ethicists argue that there are universal moral principles that can be discovered by reason, while others argue that morality is a matter of emotion, intuition, or social convention.
- In science, objectivity and subjectivity are related to the nature of scientific methods, observations, and explanations. Scientists aim to be as objective as possible in their research, by using empirical data, logical reasoning, and peer review to test their hypotheses and theories. However, scientists also acknowledge that there are subjective elements in their work, such as personal biases, assumptions, values, and interests that may influence their choices of topics, methods, interpretations, and conclusions.
The origins and translations of the words objectivity and subjectivity can also shed some light on their meanings and uses. The word objectivity comes from the Latin word objectivus, meaning “pertaining to an object”, while the word subjectivity comes from the Latin word subjectivus, meaning “pertaining to a subject”. The word object originally meant “something thrown before” (the mind or the senses), while the word subject originally meant “something placed under” (the authority or the judgment of another). These etymologies suggest that objectivity implies a sense of detachment, distance, and independence from one’s own perspective, while subjectivity implies a sense of involvement, attachment, and dependence on one’s own perspective.
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We will discuss the many definitions surrounding objective and its counterparts in great depth.
We will consider the word's origin and the philosophical argument presented by the term "Objective Reality."
This is not meant to be a religious forum, which is why I have posted it in the philosophy section.
We will cover the following questions to get started:
What is the definition of Objectivity?
What is the argument presented by the term "Objective Reality?"
Please help productively refine my and others' understanding by following these guidelines:
- NUMBER 1: Please ask questions and only state a dispute with an example to improve my understanding, this forum is intended to educate with an interactive environment.
- Be open-minded and curious. Do not dismiss or ignore answers that challenge your reality or beliefs. Try to embrace them as opportunities to learn and grow. Try to approach them with logical, critical, and professional minds, and seek to understand the evidence and reasoning behind them.
- Be empathetic and respectful. Do not judge or ridicule other people’s perspectives or experiences. Try to comprehend their viewpoints and appreciate their contributions to the larger and more intricate reality. Try to see how different perspectives can form a more complex and complete picture of the world.
- Be honest and responsible. Always prioritize speaking the truth and avoid making definitive claims when uncertain. Use qualifiers like "about," "I saw," "I think," or "I believe" to convey information accurately.
- Be clear about the source of your knowledge when sharing with others. This fosters a truthful and respectful environment for discussions.
- Be relevant and on-topic. Do not deviate from the main topic of the forum. Do not post irrelevant or off-topic comments and links that aren't productive to the questions being discussed.
- Be constructive and creative. Do not simply criticize or reject other people’s ideas. Try to offer positive feedback, suggestions, or alternatives.
- Be clear and concise. Try to use clear and accurate language as much as possible. To have effective communication it is necessary to speak understandably.
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@zedvictor4
What do you think is the correlation between critical thinking and IQ?
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@Tarik
Would you care to share how I demonstrate cognitive dissonance, or just claim it?
Your comment doesn't make sense to me. Especially with all the compiled evidence and definitions I have only recently laid out.
I only see how the dispute has been concluded rationally and indisputable as it was founded upon definitions, which are by definition indisputable.
With that said, it is impossible to object to the conclusion with rationality.
Do you not accept the definitions of objectivity and subjectivity, along with the definitive evidence I recently provided?
What basis is your objection founded and what causes you to remain in disposition of the conclusion with all that has been laid before you?
Of course, if it is a religious dispute I understand (if so, you might consider posting in the religious forums), but if you believe you remain rationally objected then I am truly baffled.
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@Tarik
I had a previous discussion with "Athias" where we proved that objectivity is vague, useless, and unprovable. We decided if the word objectivity was to have a useful definition it would be "the consistency throughout collective subjectivity," since subjectivity is all that can be known or rational to assume. Regardless of whether we use our personal understanding or the formal definition, meaning, value, and morality remain subjective.
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@zedvictor4
Precisely, objectivity is an assumption and everything we know is known because we experienced it, which makes it subjective.
Moreover, if we were to assume objectivity was defined as the seeming consistency throughout collective subjectivity, we would still find value and meaning are subjective.
No matter the angle chosen to perceive, meaning, value, and morality are all subjective.
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@Tarik
Ultimately, Nihilism argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. Many would consider the absence of intrinsic value to feel meaningless, but this is not universal. As proven by my existence, some may accept subjective value as meaningful or worthwhile, while acknowledging an absence of intrinsic value.
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@Best.Korea
I will spare the elaboration and focus on the key points. This will allow further discussion of where it is necessary.
Introduction:
Imagine having the power to understand the world around you better, make wiser decisions, and achieve more success. Understanding how to think effectively is crucial for this. In this guide, we'll explore the foundations of critical thinking and how it can help you improve your understanding of the world.
1 - The Pyramid of Beliefs:
- Babies are born with no knowledge; At this point everything is instinctual emotions.
- We fear the unknown as chaos itself. This drives us to learn and understand the world.
- Learning successfully brings us a positive emotion of accomplishment and happiness.
- Our beliefs are like building blocks that form our understanding of the world. These blocks combined form our pyramid of beliefs.
2 - The Belief Blocks:
- Beliefs are what we consider to be true.
- Learning something new adds a belief block to our tower of knowledge.
- Belief blocks can be formed inductively, or deductively.
- The higher a belief block is, the more important and sensitive it becomes through our emotional attachment.
- Discovering that a strongly held belief is false can devastate us based on their level of emotional connection.
3 - The Two Choices:
- When we are wrong, we have two choices: learn from our mistakes or ignore them.
- Learning from mistakes prepares us for a future with fewer errors, but we must bare the pain of facing our error.
- Ignoring our mistakes cultivates unnecessary suffering with continuous errors, but we avoid the pain of facing our error.
4 - Building with Logic:
- Logic involves building new beliefs from existing ones, such as deductive thinking.
- True logic stacks beliefs from the bottom to the top, least emotional to most emotional.
- Fake logic starts with the desired belief and works backward, from most emotional to least emotional.
- Using fake logic often leads to false conclusions that are unexpected and undesirable.
- Correcting false beliefs helps us understand the world better and make better decisions.
5 - Build your Pyramid:
- We must not make the pitiful excuse to claim the world can never be fully understood, so why even try.
- The world may seem complex, but learning what we can is crucial, such as learning to ride a bike, drive a car, or maintain a career.
- Champions are not born perfect but acknowledge their mistakes using them as opportunities to grow.
Conclusion:
Critical thinking is a powerful tool for building a stronger mind. By carefully examining our beliefs, avoiding fake logic, and learning from our mistakes, we can gain a better understanding of the world and make better decisions. Champions continually seek knowledge and are unafraid to admit when they are wrong because they know that learning from mistakes is the path to success.
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@zedvictor4
Some people believe that humans are created by aliens who watch us from the outside of our world. I believe that it is much more probable that humans are the super species because to consider a more complicated species is less probable than us being the most complex. Therefore, I think it's rational to assume that we are the super-hominid.
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@Tarik
Now that I have provided evidence of which is indisputable and non-opinionated, we can move forward unless you have additional evidence to provide that is not merely an opinionative definition.
As I said, "I'm a nihilist, and I know that there are diverse types of nihilism."
A common mistake is to think that nihilists feel that life is meaningless.Nihilism does not determine how one views the world as meaningful or meaningless.
As stated above in the second quote of Wikipedia, most commonly nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value. This means the feeling that life is meaningless is not a universal trait of nihilism, but rather of specific instances.
It is possible for a person to be a nihilist and consider the subjective meaning in life worthwhile, acknowledging the absence of objective meaning.
Unless you have further evidence to provide, there is nothing further that can be said to change my position.
I'm glad I could research more about nihilism and its varying meanings.
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@Tarik
There is no use in being disrespectful, and you should know by now I always research before commenting.
When announcing one's dispute on the validity of information provided by another, it is advisable to do so cautiously. If the one is then found to be in the wrong after announcing their dispute, it would be more embarrassing and destructive to their reputation than providing legitimate information that is indisputable.
Here is the complete summary of my research:
Nihilism is a philosophical viewpoint that rejects the existence or value of any objective truth, morality, or meaning in life. There are different types of nihilism, such as moral nihilism, existential nihilism, epistemological nihilism, and political nihilism. Some of the most influential nihilist thinkers include Friedrich Nietzsche, Martin Heidegger, Jean-Paul Sartre, Albert Camus, and Jacques Derrida.
Here are some definitions of nihilism from various sources:
- According to Merriam-Webster Dictionary, nihilism is:
a viewpoint that traditional values and beliefs are unfounded and that existence is senseless and useless
a doctrine that denies any objective ground of truth and especially of moral truths
a doctrine or belief that conditions in the social organization are so bad as to make destruction desirable for its own sake independent of any constructive program or possibility
- According to Oxford Dictionaries, nihilism is:
the rejection of all religious and moral principles, in the belief that life is meaningless
extreme skepticism maintaining that nothing in the world has a real existence
the doctrine of an extreme Russian revolutionary party c. 1900 which found nothing to approve of in the established social order
- According to Wikipedia, nihilism is:
Philosophy antithetical to concepts of meaningfulness
Nihilism is the philosophical viewpoint that suggests the denial or lack of belief towards the reputedly meaningful aspects of life. Most commonly, nihilism is presented in the form of existential nihilism, which argues that life is without objective meaning, purpose, or intrinsic value.
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@zedvictor4
I believe that the greatest divinity was most accurately said by Marcus Aurelius - The highest divinity is known as the rational and cosmic principle known as the Logos. The Logos represents the divine intelligence and inherent order that governs the universe. It is the source of reason, wisdom, and purpose in the cosmos. I believe that all gods are metaphysical concepts that are meant to embody the spirit of different aspects of reality.
An example would be how the Grimm Reaper embodies the aspect of life known as death. There is no person with a scythe who is immortal to whom we inevitably fall prey, but the true nature and spirit of death can be represented easily in this personified manner. I believe that all gods are meant to embody these natural aspects, and that the Christian God is meant to be the ultimate metaphysical concepts or the compilation of all the other gods into the greatest concept of life, how to live it. I also believe that to walk with God means to know him, and to know the metaphysical concepts of reality means to understand the world to the deepest extent.
I don't believe in a conscious afterlife where we go to heaven or that we can look down at our descendants, but I do believe the afterlife exists in the sense of a reverberation of our existence. It is the spirit of how reality will forever be changed by the imprint we made in our life and that the universe will forever be on another course.
Back to your question. I believe the greatest purpose is to serve the greatest divinity as it would make us part of the most magnificent part of reality. I also believe this is the true nature of humanity. I believe that humans who don't follow this nature are bound to have more problems than those who follow this purpose. It's similar to destiny; it's a path that can be procrastinated and the more you refuse to accept it the harder it drives you to fulfill your purpose to embody the highest divinity. I believe it is clear and straightforward. The one who walks with God understands reality, and the one who understands reality will make good decisions for their goals, as a result they are in a sense blessed by the gods that they serve, or bring forth by acting out, by understanding.
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@Tarik
I think that all people care about life at some point, typically their childhood. However, this value for life can often become tainted by vengeance towards being as a result of recognizing their incompetence and inability to rise in the hierarchy, so rather than becoming motivated to improve with benign envy they manifest malicious envy, which is most destructive to their life and those surrounding them. A primary example in the Christian Bible is the story of Cain and Abel, where Cain idolized Abel for his ability to achieve what Cain never could, which was the perfect sacrifice for God. Cain could have built an alliance with Abel and built his competence to become a better person, but instead he killed his ideal. Similarly, in the Disney movie Sleeping Beauty the evil Queen desired to be the most beautiful maiden in all the land, so rather than aspiring to be the best she desired to destroy her competition. It's a very common motif that repeats itself through archetypal mythology.
In essence, I believe that all hatred towards life is derived from vengeance towards being as a result of one's insufficiencies, or by recognizing the inherent negative aspects of life without discovering what one values, which will inevitably lead them to see the world as a net negative. It's important to note what one values is subjective, so while to one person the world is a evil place that is not worth living, another may find the world a paradise.
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