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@Tradesecret
To be clear, I do believe in the Bible and believe in God, so my answers are not coming from a hatred of God, but rather a desire to seek him.
Wow! The dogma is strong with this one. Just to be clear. No twisting of doctrines. And no appeasing or appealing to the pagan masses. The Trinity is eternal. There is nothing quite like the One and the Many. It is a brilliant concept even as it reflects the only Perfect God.Thousands of Gods? An immediate break from what the Trinity teaches. ONE GOD. Not a trinity of Gods. ONE GOD. The Vedic god system is nothing like the Trinity.Oh Wow! A god that likes wine is what somehow like Jesus? You must be joking. Seriously. Jesus is not a god of wine. LOL @ even the comparison. Simply nuts. Yes, Jesus did have an earthly mother. But the Son of God, the second member of the Trinity HAD NO MOTHER. He is eternally begotten.Yes, I've seen it. But the Holy Spirit is not a bird. And this is not the intention. The Holy Spirit is not a dove. He alights as a dove. Metaphor.Anyone can make a correlation with anything. A correlation is simply an exercise that describes a mathematical formula painting a picture. We can actually posit a correlation between people who agree with you with people who don't agree with you. That is the magic of correlation. But what does it prove? It proves not much. Just that there is a relationship. And when it comes to Jesus, there will always be people who want to paint a relationship to someone like Jesus. He had a mother. he liked wine. he did miracles. He died. He rose again. And the same applies to the Trinity. It proves nothing. The fact is - the Trinity is both a simple concept and a complex one. the fact that most people can hardly grasp what the Trinity is - even in its simple form is telling. It's not just a copy from something else. To suggest it is - begs the question.
So to respond to all of this is simply that it is not a stretch to see that the Trinity could be a mish-mash of other religious doctrine, especially when the Trinitarian doctrine is not in the Bible. There are plenty of scriptures that are trying to be figured as such and some really good stretches on some specific words, but no God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Ghost, no three-in-one verse, nothing that states that Jesus Christ was eternal.
There is one God, like the Bible states, and there was a savior named Jesus who was the waited for Messiah (the Christ or anointed). The confusion comes from evil doctrines, made up to gain more church membership. God is a spirit. God is not flesh nor a man. Jesus was begotten. God made creation by himself, nobody was with him. After death is conquered, Jesus will hand all power back to the Father. The doctrine of the Trinity sprang in the minds of evil men and not of Godly men. Want to know who and what God is? Read the Bible, not various commentary of Catholic tainted people.
The church which counts. Yes, I have read the church fathers. And the question of the victor. Really. what a convenient excuse not to believe the truth? The Roman Catholic Church is not the only church. The Orthodox Church also agrees with it - and so does the Protestant church -which opposed the Catholic Church. I don't have to agree with the Roman Catholic Church to see that the Trinity is true. It's evident in the Scriptures.
All those churches "agree" with the Trinity, not because it is in the scriptures, but because they are the "daughters" of the Catholic church. They left the catholic church in one way or another but took with them the man made doctrine: The Trinity and Trinitarian Baptism.
Of course you do, what a surprise? But you miss the points of personality. how do you grieve a power? It's not possible.
I will look into your question, but in the meantime, you answer how the Holy Ghost is the Father and not "the Father".
don't forget that when Abraham was around - three so called angels appeared - looking like men. Each of them - took on the role of the LORD in their words and their attitude.It's a simple picture but it actually provides an interesting picture. why were there three so called people looking like men? And how does it relate to TRINITY?
Ask any Jewish rabbi this same question, as they do not believe in a triune god either. They were specifically angels and not Gods. Abraham was talking to God and he turned away to entreat these men. The term LORD and lord have two different meanings here. The capital LORD is God, the lowercase lord is in reference to "master" as a lord of a land. You will see that Abraham was talking to God, the angels come up and eat and talk with Abraham, then when they leave, Abraham is still talking to God.
IF this was a reference of God showing himself as a man, then for sure there were two angels and one God, but I don't think it was God himself since no man can look a the face of God and live. It is more than likely the 3rd angel who didn't show up to Sodom was only sent to tell Abraham of his baby.
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@Greyparrot
We also have footage in 2023-2024 of Biden inappropriately touching many females.
And sniffing girls hair, biting women's fingers, pinching little girls chest, grabbing women around their waist, etc etc. . .
But who am I to say such trivial things against that. Biden obviously doesn't mean any harm in sexual abusing those people.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
What does it say about religious people if they will vote for an immoral man to be President?
If morality is my gauge, NOBODY is going to get vote.
If morality doesn’t matter, why bother with religion?
Bother with the voter's religion? or the religion of the candidate? OR religion as a whole?
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@FLRW
All the Evangelicals voted for him in Iowa.
And most blacks voted for Obama, doesn't that make them racist?
People voting are not voting for their next preacher. They are voting for their next president.
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@Best.Korea
This is the guy who is a champion of Christianity and family values?
Who said this?
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@Double_R
Trump was mean and she took advantage of the opportunity. She made off like a bandit.
I suppose it's debatable if her posting her rape allegation in a book would make her a public figure also, but honestly, I don't know the laws on that.
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@Stephen
You do understand don't you that the questions being posed on that particular thread are bringing into question the thoughts and nature of god. The same god that you believe in , worship and support?
I do. And I do know that you see it entirely different than I do. You think that God would let unsuspecting babies burn in a fiery pit forever since your view of God is a mean bastard.
I would assume that would put them in a position that they could then choose to reject or accept him". #21
I missed a word in that sentence. . . I would assume that HE(God) would put them . . .
This is what I have read, maybe you can interpret it for me without rewriting the actual biblical passage?
To answer your question, that is true that God will exact judgement on those who don't follow him. If you don't follow someone, then you decide not to be led. I would say the determining factor here is that a baby cannot choose. SO, if God is just and loving and righteous, (stay with me here) wouldn't you think that he would come up with another option for those that are not in the same field as you and I. We, you and I, have the ability to choose, to follow, to reject, to think He is good or to think He is corrupt and I think that scripture above would apply to you and I. But when a child has no ability to do the things that we can, (much is given, much is required) how can God justly or righteously toss those into hell?
The break from Christian dogma is that there are anomalies in the Bible that don't follow the Christian trend of thought. Such as:
Melchizedek who was a priest of God before the Mosaic law was even given. How did he know everything to become a priest? Bible doesn't tell us.
Enoch who was taken by God without a law to purify or the blood of Jesus to save. How did he do that? Bible doesn't tell us.
Abraham who was the friend of God, again without the law and blood of God. In fact, the church is the seed of Abraham due to their faith, so God put a ton of emphasis on him without the blood of Christ.
Elijah and him being brought to heaven in chariots of fire. We can assume he was "saved" by this display of being taken.
King David who pleased God and even did priestly duties without being killed even though he was not a Levite. A man after God's own heart, it was said.
People that Jesus had healed with a saying of "Thy sins be forgiven thee." No blood, no sacrifice.
The thief on the cross who was being punished for some sort of trespass against society (sin) and God allowed him to be saved without any sacrifice or baptism.
The point is that there is more going on in life and in the mind of God than what we can just come up with and we (humans) try our best to trap God on his word, or at least his followers. So how can you say that what I am assuming could or could not happen and try to regulate God to only one scripture anyways?
So to close this post, I am not in any circumstance and neither is anybody on this website that we can tell God that he is unjust because we were given no chance to serve him, so for us to complain that God is unjust when we are not even in the predicament of an aboriginal man or an infant or anything else that we can't identify with, is foolish. How do you know God doesn't work a way for an infant in death just like an aboriginal man in his isolated state of ignorance?
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@ludofl3x
You are riot! :)
Can I ask, what would your opinion be if you found out, on your entrance to heaven someday, that there aren't any cannibals in heaven?
If more people got into heaven, then I would be pleasantly surprised and ok by me. I don't want people to go to an eternal place of fire or judgement. That's not my idea of a good time.
If it were me to make the call, I would put quite a bit more people in heaven, like my grandmother and such. But really depending on the day if I'm in a good or bad mood too because she was really a jerk to me when I was kid.
Would you, having had that exchange, think "That's justice, now where's my cloud mansion?"
If that were the literal exchange, I think I would slink away from St Peter quickly before he changed his mind about me and dart in through the pearly gates and hide among other people.
On a more serious note, to answer the question, why are not just good ole' boys getting into heaven when they are not really that bad of a guy or in Gandhi's case, really helped a ton of humanity?
I will preface this again that I only have the Bible as a reference and I do not believe that the Bible contains ALL the words, thoughts, works of God that has ever been said, done, etc. I only have my own life (and my friends and family that are in the same faith as I) to attest of how it worked for me.
We don't know how God has dealt or called someone in their lifetime. We sometimes find out when people are on their death bed telling us how they used to be in a church or was baptized or whatever. It's not really something that someone talks about in the open. My wife is an example of God working in her life to lead her unto Him. So the Bible doesn't give every specific detail about how he will save a person or the road he will take a person down to bring them unto Himself.
All that to say, God will draw one unto him and it is up to us to respond and in a culture that we have today where nearly everyone can read a bible (at least in 1st world countries), we do not have the excuse to say that we never heard of God, the Bible, etc. We, as in mankind, are very stubborn and we do not like being told what to do or if we are wrong so we will push off the "voice" of God or a pull on our conscience. So, in Gandhi's case, God has dealt with him one way or another and has probably ran into a real preacher to talk to him, maybe in passing, maybe a dinner meeting, who knows. It could be like the Ethiopian eunuch's case where a preacher named Phillip was literally displaced supernaturally near this guy's chariot. (Acts chp 8)
That's how I can say that God will make a way for others to come to him if they truly want to know him and that "good people" that don't make it into heaven has rejected God somehow.
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@YouFound_Lxam
The Trinity. A true musical chairs game in heaven as there is only one throne.
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@Mall
I don't believe the text says "there are three things" . At least not in the translation I've read.
Sorry. My use of things was referring to 3 objects are being referred to and not necessarily persons.
I've been asking someone, these three what?
I'm curious to know what your answer would be.
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@Mall
The biblical scripture lays it out and I'm not sure if you're truly interested in a biblical lesson/study.
Actually, I am interested in what you think and what others think on this website. That is why I joined, so I don't become intellectually stagnant.
But basically the book explains all that. It's nothing you can do on your own, I'll say that the least.
Are you referring the the grace of God and stating there is no standard that we must live?
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@Mall
1 John 5 and 7
When you are indoctrinated with Trinitarianism, this means 3 people are in heaven, but let's look at it from context.
The scripture before hand was talking about would be saved and who actually loves God. Then is gets into who "bears record". The translation is referring to "who can testify in heaven". So if the scripture is talking about who will be saved and who can testify this, then we can say that God himself can, the Blood of Jesus (baptism) or the power of God can testify this of us, meaning that those three "things" will testify that we are saved.
It is not talking about salvation and then gets into a quick lesson about who God is, nor does it say it's 3 persons.
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@Mall
According to the scripture it isn't money that is the root but the love of it that is the root .
Correct.
So if I understand what you're saying, the Catholic Church made up a false doctrine or something false to worship to get pagans to join in under the guiseChristianity in order to appear compliant with the emperor's law of only permitting Christianity for the sake of money I guess the pagans would pay up.
Eh, more or less.
The Trinitarian doctrine was in the works for a while but the decree made it canon.
The whole money thing can go for all fake Christians and charlatans. They really pumped pastoral authority into their letters from about 80 A.D. to be able to push any wrong doctrine. Compromising for the sake of money is nothing new. The early church starting letting misc pagan practices in their churches for this reason. Also, keep in mind there was no Bible as we know it until about 130 AD and even then about only 3% of the population could read, so many of the church goers had to rely on a preacher to help teach right from wrong. This setup evil men to abuse their position as a pastor or bishop.
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@Mall
It's basically what the scripture says "You shall be holy, for I the LORD your God am holy."
A very general statement, but I was referring to specifics. How does one become "holy"?
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@Tradesecret
Incorrect. Prove it. There is no religion in the world, history or otherwise that has anything like the doctrine of the Trinity. People make this assertion quite regularly but as soon as they start producing their so-called earlier Trinities, the difference very quickly becomes apparent.
You are not completely wrong in this statement. At the time of it's official conception, the Trinitarian doctrine in Nicaea, the Catholic church still had many members believing in God and Jesus as Christ. So for them to completely turn God into a Triune God overnight and to make it so apparent, would be disastrous. So they had to twist certain doctrines to still sound Biblical and appease the pagan masses too.
For instance, look at the Vedic god system. There are thousands of gods in their system. But the main three are Brahma, Vishnu and Shiva a triune God.
How about the Greek mythology? Dionysus was a God of wine (Jesus turned water into wine), he was born of an earthly mother and a divine father (Zeus). He was also followed by bands of people and later lamented at his death.
How about the Egyptian concept of Gods? Did you know their idea of a spirit of a man (ba) is depicted as a bird? Don't we see many depictions of God the Holy Ghost as a bird due to the vision of John the Baptist?
Point is, there are a lot of correlations you can make with the biblical Jesus with other Pagan deities of the time and area and to tell a pagan that the biblical God is just like their own would not be a stretch when you can drum up an idea like the trinity.
The Trinity - as in the Word Trinity - is not mentioned in the Bible. So what? That would be an argument from silence.
Point taken.
Yet the concept of the Trinity is inherent from the Creation through to the last page of the NT. The early Christians did argue over the concept. They needed to grapple with the truth that there is ONE GOD as the Deuteronomy passage articulates and then they needed to grapple with the person Jesus. It also became clear during these discussions that the Holy Spirit was not the Father nor was he the Son. Some people suggest he was just a power. Not a personality. Although Jesus made it clear that the Holy Spirit was a person and had a personality. You can't grieve a power. You can't lie to a power. Yes, both of these terms could just be anthropomorphisms. And yet the Church determined otherwise.
For one, which "church" decided this? Have you read the early church fathers? Keep in mind also that the victor of war gets to write the history. The catholic has always tried to say that their church was the first and Peter the first pope. They tried (in vain) to wipe out the history of a true church throughout history. There a snippets here and there where "Oneness" people thrived before the Catholics tried to do away with them. In fact, the church at Rome was Oneness until about 200 A.D. You will find a little paper trail from one popular catholic father to another before Constantine that is quite a tangled web. Pretty interesting actually.
I do believe the reference of the Holy Ghost is God's use of power. See it with every scripture that it is used, such as the overshadowing of Mary. She was found to be child of the Holy Ghost. This would mean that God the Father would NOT be the father in the simplest sense. But if we see the spirit of God working in situations, then it's easy to understand John chapter 14 and how Mary would be found child by the power of God.
Also, you will never find in the old testament a reference of God being with anyone else or there being a multiplicity of Gods that are worth serving.
The Trinity was around before the Roman Catholic Churches. It was not their invention.
True again. The concept of a Trinity was around before the church ever began, but later integrated into the dogma, per my post above with Mall and you.
Also, for reference, when I mention the Catholic church, I am not referring to the official Catholic church as I understand it was not truly formed for hundreds of years after Christ, but the Catholic church did come this ground work, so I use it as a way to delineate the true church and the false church.
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@Mall
So it was a way for pagans to still remain active under the guise of "Christianity" if I understand all this.
Not how i see it. The pagan populace didn't have a choice per that decree. They had to join up. The (what we know now as the Catholic church) created these doctrines to allow the general pagan public to easily enter their ranks. Why would catholic church want this? Peter talks about evil men doing this for filthy lucre's sake. M-O-N-E-Y. Root of all evil I guess.
So the pagan aimed to take a God not proven to be false to corrupt with falsehood.
It wasn't the general pagan population per say, it was the leadership of the Catholic church and Emperor Constantine trying to unify his country.
My question would be what did it serve the pagan by inventing three personalities in the godhead?
The pagans had gods for EVERYTHING. Look at the Vedic way. They have gods tagged along with everything you can think of. I think they have around 2000 gods. So to them, a triune god is not a big deal when you believe in 2000.
I always thought it was misinterpretation of scripture that perpetuated this doctrine.
I did also until I thought "where did this come from?" Th early church had no idea of a Triune God nor did the Jews. It had to perpetuate from somewhere and the roots of it was in paganism. Now, to say one pagan religion shaped the whole Trinitarian doctrine is not true, but the doctrine itself is a mish-mash of all the local pagan views.
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@n8nrgim
How would you guys briefly describe your religious or spiritual beliefs or lack thereof
This would be hard to understand to someone who is not Christian or does not understand that the term "Christian" represents a HUGE group of people with so many DIFFERENT beliefs systems.
Just a quick google search says that there are about 45K different denominations of Christians. They probably could be lumped into just a few thousand between different specific traits. And then categorized into about a hundred or so. And even from there get into about 20 (my guess).
So for someone to call themselves Christian could mean so many different things to so many different people, BUT the absolute main tenant of being a Christian is that Jesus was a deity of some sort or another.
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@Deb-8-a-bull
LOL! You really are comic relief on this site!
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@Sidewalker
But of course, the comparison is unfair, Hitler was never charged with 91 felonies, and he never had 27 women accuse him of rape.
Ture, Hitler just didn't care about lives or women, so he couldn't be charged.
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@FLRW
Why did Hitler give belt buckles to his troops that said " God Is With Us"?
Hitler was actually backed by the Catholics.
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I hope everybody saw my sarcasm in my last post.
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Another atheist kills millions of Jews:
Hitler, who was an atheist, destroyed millions of lives during the Holocaust.
(boy, those atheists must be really bad people)
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@Stephen
I can't give my opinion about extra biblical questions and have you jump down my throat. While I claim a few times within those posts that I don't know and this is speculation, yet you still think I try to pose myself as some sort of know it all.
Okay Stephen, what does happen to babies when they die?
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@Mall
To address your OP on the Trinity:
It was a made up doctrine from ancient religions made to be accepted by the Catholic church to all its members around the time of Constantine being full emperor of the Roman empire. The reason the Trinity doctrine was so prevalent was because Constantine made paganism illegal and "Christianity" the only religion of Rome. Pagans flooded in the Roman Church along with all their doctrine. There was so much turmoil that a council was setup by the church fathers. It was called the council of Nicaea and there they officially canonized the "two in one" doctrine and later made the Holy Ghost part of that doctrine also, creating the "Holy Trinity".
This Trinity has been a part of almost all ancient religions and can be traced to all local middle eastern and near east religions alike.
The Trinity is not in the Bible, nor the word Trinity. It was all a Catholic invention.
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@Mall
How many christians you think are actually holy?
Good question. I am of the belief that Christianity is full of fakes and scams. But my take is that if they are not Holy or at least striving to become such, then they are not a Christian.
What would be your definition of Holy?
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@FLRW
I think a person should be required to show proof that they have an IQ of at least 120.
Yikes! Shut the whole thing down then.
My mom said I was pretty smart once. Does that count?
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@Stephen
Stephen,
I would say that if you are going to use these scriptures, at least admit what is rhetoric questions. I would say 3 are rhetoric to get the other party to consider their thoughts or actions. Others I couldn't tell you.
Let us see. to highlight a few;But the LORD God called to the man, “Where are you?”God asked Adam “Who told you that you were naked?”And the LORD asked Abraham, “Why did Sarah laugh and say, ‘Can I really bear a child when I am old?And god asked him, why do you complain, Jacob?It appears that God had a lot learn and know about his creation and was learning on the hoof, but this has to be a blinder;God aka Jesus on the cross calls out to himself, Why have you forsaken me?
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@Stephen
You spent 95% of that thread arguing points of god and attempting to prove them to @ludofl3x, who effortlessly ran rings around you, and so you deserted it leaving many questions to go unanswered or addressed on posts to you from ludofl3x,
Okay, so I guess me asking and answering questions is the same thing as prove. Bravo! (slow claps) Cornered the hypocrite Christian in a word game.
As for Ludofl3x, that guy did run rings around me and asked me questions that I never even thought about.
As for questions unanswered, I do not know everything about God or the Bible and if I ever gave that vibe, I am foolish to do so. I have been humbled by you and Ludofl3x by your out of box thinking.
That's why I am here, so thanks, in spite of your prickishness.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
So just to sum this up,Children who were sexually assaulted by priests and make can their claims years later without witnesses and get financial compensation.Women who were sexually assaulted by Trump and make their claims years later with some corroboration from people they told at the time should not get financial compensation.Is that your position?
I am saying that the proof has to be given. In my opinion, there was not enough proof in the Carrol case and she had motivation, other than justice, to bring this against him.
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@Best.Korea
Christian families tend to raise violent people.
I would say that is true. We are more aggressive due to our beliefs. Willing to fight for something?
As for your stats and claims, how many "Christians" are in prison for non-violent crime as opposed to violent crime?
On top of that, how many, when surveyed, were not "Christian" before they came in but were converted before the survey? Do they ask what religion they are when they are admitted to prison? I don't know.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
This is part of the problem. . .
Really? The problem is the brainless liberal that can't think for themselves about how Corral actually would benefit from this.
If I missed a date that is, again, splitting hairs and not relevant to my point that she is taking advantage of Trump.
Are you sure you didn't go to barber college?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
So all these awards to children who were molested by catholic priests years ago, you think that was wrong? Because it was years before they came forward with their accusations.
Wow. Are you you a barber? Cause you really are splitting hairs here.
Not the same situation here.
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@Greyparrot
But ending subsidies would also end a lot of corruption.
Oh! I forgot that is how everyone in DC gets rich. Silly and cold-hearted me.
How will Congress afford all those houses?
Hmmm . . . How about get a real job and do it well, just like everyone else who can afford a house in America?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
The allegation was first made public in her book in 2019. Get your facts straight
Touché
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I don't know why the website only shows half of your response when I click on it.
What evidence would your wife have that she was raped? A video? No. A witness? No. Why would you believe her? Why should anyone?
In this case, her word to her HUSBAND, not a jury case. If you don't see the difference, maybe you should hit your head with a hammer, it might knock out some of the college trash out.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
You would somehow magically identify the rapist? How?
Approximately, 8 out of 10 rape victims know their abuser. So it would be her word against said accused (friend or family or co-worker etc). This would make more sense AND I know my wife and I would know the accused.
Trump's case is not the same situation, so there needs to be undeniable evidence for this, not a "he did it" and her friend spouting "yeah. . . yeah... what she said!"
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By the way, for the record, I believe that rape happens and there are rape victims all over the world. Anyone who rapes a woman (or man) is scum of the Earth and should be buried under the prison right after we cut off his balls and feed them to him.
We just need to make sure that the accused is truly the perpetrator, like ADOL states, otherwise any kind of justice is skewed. AND a "it was him" 25 years later doesn't count.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
He's already on the hook for $3,906,461,000:
Rats! Now I'll have to get in line!
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@IwantRooseveltagain
What makes you say that?
When I found out, there would be blood spilled. Not sure why you wouldn't say that about your wife.
I recognize that a rape victim's response is not the same for all women, BUT there is too little evidence other than a word from her saying so.
Convenient? What was convenient about this accusation?
Timing was well done. Why not during his first run? Because nobody thought Trump would win. Now on his second run for president, it comes out. She has a shocking revelation? A sudden desire and strength to accuse a man that has been in the spotlight for years and could have done it for money only until now?
Could you think of reasons a women could take advantage of this situation?
Again, do you really think mankind is that innocent except Trump and his deplorables?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
What if I were to accuse you of the same thing?
Prove that you didn't. AND if you can't then I sue you for your petty cash in your little safe in your bedroom.
Sounds fair to me considering your standards right?
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Unbelievable
Really? Do you think the only people who could be corrupt are the people that don't think like you?
Only "Orange Man Bad" and his supporters, right? There couldn't be any other reason this woman could sue a very controversial political figure with lots of money, right?
Use your brain, IWRA. Oh wait, you got it turned into mush by going to college.
Then listen to the un-indoctrinated like ADOL and GP.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
@IwantRooseveltagain
If you were assaulted by a big black guy, and you went to the police to report it.
Curious to know why the assault was so specific, IWRA.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
..... there is this thing called morality, just because you can do a thing and it would benefit (by one particular metric) you doesn't mean you should.
I agree. My point was that there was an ulterior motive.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Because you don’t believe E Jean Carroll . You think she lied about the rape to make money. A jury who heard all the facts in court believe her.
I don't believe her, not because it's Trump being accused, but rather because this same thing was tried on Brett Kavanaugh. It was a very similar situation. Years ago, nobody else there, no record of it, not sure when it happened, changing story, NO OTHER FACTS except that she said that it happened. And then a picture of them meeting somewhere by chance and claiming that they knew each other well. Well enough for him to tell her to put on some lingerie.
I'm not sure who the jury was, but I would like to know their financial situation before and after the trial. Follow the money . . .
If your wife was raped, should she be believed even if there were no witnesses to the crime?
If my wife was raped, there would be blood spilled immediately. Not years after it happened when its convenient to do so.
I understand there will be trauma and fear of something happening to the family, but nothing was mentioned of that. It's a an old trick form the liberal playbook.
Besides, you don't believe all women should be believed anyways. The name that comes to mind is Tara Reade.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Do you have any women in your life? Mother, wife, daughter?
I have all.
If they got raped, do you think they would have deserved it?
Of course not. Why would you ask that?
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@Mall
Is there or is there not something wrong with a dog killing a defenseless person?
Wrong, yes, but to say the dog was immoral for the actions is not the case. Animals are property, not persons.
So to go with Jewish law, kill the dog (since it is a danger to society) and fine the owner.
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@Double_R
Basically yes, those are the remarks the jury was assigned to evaluate
Got it, thanks. I'm not well versed in court documents.
I would agree with GP and ADOL here that the statements made were pretty weak and I wouldn't consider it defamation if I was on that jury, but I wasn't so I couldn't change the outcome. I think it was a long stretch for the jury to say that those statements alone were the defamatory remarks considering what has been said by others about other people. But in this case Trump already lost a court case stating that he did sexually abuse Carrol so it was already held against him to defend his position of not raping the woman, so it was against Trump from the start.
It really looks like she took advantage of him with this defamation case. Can't say I blame her considering the position she sits on and how much Money Trump has.
I think she is a fraud with the whole thing and was able to benefit from all of it financially. Curious to know if any of those millions would go to some of the jury or judge.
I am coming late in the thread here and didn't read everything, so I may be beating a dead horse.
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@TheUnderdog
Someone is weaker than the girl they fuck (it's not me) and is too scared of 1 day of ball pain.
Hmm . . If enduring pain is the qualities of a man, how about you let that sperm live and produce a baby or two and stick around to raise that child to become a productive person of society. Now you are talking about pain and therefore, a man. No unwanted pregnancies and no abortions! Problem solved!
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@Double_R
I read the transcripts you sent a link to. Are the 4 remarks from Trump is what she is saying is the defamation?
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