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@n8nrgmi
you're just preaching catholic teaching. you're not arguing that there's no contradiction here. the text is clear. history is clear. only the catholic church is trying to argue the blue sky is really green.
You mean to say that Catholic teaching explicitly says that there are circumstances that you can attain salvation and not be a member of the Church? It is good that we are then in agreement. You always have to look at the context of what is being said in any one document.
If you have specific arguments to be made that is fine. Just giving a gripe list of disembodied quotes isn't a convincing argument.
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@Greyparrot
i laugh at the thought of Canadians ever in protest....
”Hey, stop taxing me so much hoser!”
”Sorry aboot sounding so mean, eh.”
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@Tejretics
When the dollar eventually collapses, will soy boys turn to cannibalism or vainly attempt to attack the well armed prepper populace?
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@Mopac
Papal supremacy is shown in the early church. The Corinthians appeal d to Rome for an answer when the had the last living apostle geographically much closer.
Jesus appoints Peter the Rock. He commands Peter singularly at the last supper to strengthen his brothers.
Your last argument is an ad populism fallacy. The majority do not dictate truth.
The Orthodox on the other hand have tied the faith to a secular authority. Hence the reason you cannot form a new council - there is no emperor.
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@n8nrgmi
So what is required to enter heaven? To die in a state of grace.
Now is it possible for someone to die in a state of grace and not be a Catholic? I’ll give a couple of possible examples of where it is possible.
1) The person is a Catechist and has a firm intention of becoming Catholic, but was not yet able to receive the sacrament of baptism.
2) Someone who was invincibly ignorant of the Catholic faith, lived a life without mortal sin and desired the God (s)he did not know.
Those are two cases that the Catholic Church recognizes where someone who is not Catholic may be granted the beatific vision.
The purpose of the Catholic Church is to transmit the faith from generation to generation and to help the faithful to live in a state of grace by making the sacraments available to them.
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@Mopac
Is Papal supremacy the primary heresy of the Catholic Church? Or is rejection of Papal Supremacy the primary heresy of the Orthodox Church?
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the church has to officially teach something for it to be considered unchangeable dogma. of course, the church teaches its teaching can and won't change, that it's never contradicted itself. what do the facts say?
It would appear that the facts agree with the Catholic Church.
you have the old catechism that says the death penalty can be used along with the consensus of theologians and at least unofficial pope teachings, but a new catechism that says otherwise. that's what the magic hat allows for cause who knows what's official.
The Catechism is in of itself not an infallible document. It is meant to summarize Catholic teaching. However, if the Pope demands his personal opinion on a topic he included in the Catechism it does not change the teaching of the Church. All it does for is possibly introduce error into a fallible document.
you have the idea that noncatholics can't be saved taught in definitive language. then you have new catechisms and at least unoffical teachings that they could be saved. the magic hat allows for the possibility that the old teaching is still true. it's a stretch to pretend the new teaching is recocilable with the old stuff.then limbo which was pretty offical but now it's not considered official, that unbaptized children go to hell.
Feeneyism was not Catholic doctrine.
Limbo was a theological construct. It may have been assumed to practically be doctrine because of its widespread communication. It is not doctrine and there is no official teaching on the fate of the unborn.
you have teachings that popes can unbind official teaching. i dont know how offical those teachings themselves are, but the magic hat says it's possible those are flawed teachings.
No pope can change the teachings of the Church. All they can do is clarify the unchanging teachings.
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