Double_R

Do I need to explain how babies are made?

Then God is ultimately responsible.

Really? Well that's news to me.

Is sin more powerful than God?

No.

It will not solve the problem of people wanting sex without the responsibility of parenthood.

If God is real, then sin is the problem, not God.

Is there any racial difference that, in your mind, should ever be accounted for through policy? Like if a certain racial group was far more prone to a certain disease, or a certain racial group excelled in a particular field? Or should these racial differences be totally ignored in policy?

I don't pretend to know the motives and or general psychological and or moral state of anyone I happen to be speaking with.

When someone offers me a pill, I might consider taking it (I generally don't accept pills from strangers).

When someone tells me I must take their pill, or suffer the consequences, I'm much less likely to trust them.

You've implied that my argument is wrong because

You implied that my argument was invalid because

**if** certain racial groups had better abilities (say Jewish people with 108 I.Q. being better able to comprehend the written word -- you don't have to agree that this is true), would it be a good idea to attempt to account for that in policy?

Why make the thread asking the question if you don’t actually want answers? You asked why conservatives think what they do on this issue. I gave you an explanation (mostly extreme levels of distrust and disillusionment combined with a reflexive anti authoritarianism)

What a hilariously ironic statement from a partisan hack.

So you don’t think the US should have a military, is that correct?

The U.S. government? No. But that would extend to all governments. 

Yeah, you do. You're saying "hmmm, you think politicians are greedy, power hungry sociopaths? Must be projection and YOU'RE the greedy power hungry sociopath!" Very disappointing because we have had productive conversations in the past, but this clearly isn't going to be one. I'm not going to hold it against you, but I'm dipping out.

A person who is immunocompromised --- but VACCINATED --- is no more likely to catch COVID from a person who is vaccinated than from someone who is not, because they are immunized.

That is incorrect, although consistent with what the politicans at least claim.

There was not then, nor has there ever been, any kind of scientific consensus that lockdowns were a necessdary or even appropriate response to any pandemic situation of the type COVID presened

Science is not a process wherein all-knowing-sensi "top doc" proclaims to the world what "the science" says.  It's a discursive process based on the application of repeatable methods that are recognized to produce reliable results, to figure out what is objectively true in the world.  What Fauci did is the exact opposite; and the efforts to censor anyone who says otherwise, like Rand Paul, are reflections of the extent to which this was never about science at all.  It's about politics and power, which is why Fauci has no credibility whatsoever. 

Yep. You've already ad hommed me in this thread, which you should be able to find.

You don't understand race realism to such an egregious extent that you don't realize you're already a race realist, despite attempting to argue against it.

But when these people are the faces pushing the vaccination campaign...well, you can think that instructively distrusting repeated bold face liars is foolish or childish but I don't see it that way at all

I have every right to point out the extreme levels of psychopathy and sadism among American elites without being accused of being a psychopath or a sadist myself.

I literally explained my reasoning, about how the continual loss of liberty is a threat to my person greater than that of the virus, right before the portion you quoted, and you cut it out. You aren't having an honest conversation here

The non-vaccinated do not cause or contribute to the immunocompromised becoming ill.

That's a mindset that was borne of the historical mistakes and abuses of so-called medical experts from generations ago that is still around.  The left's response to this is to force society into lockdowns until everyone complies?  No.  That is beyond insanity.

Whenever anyone in the media, including media doctors who typically are among the most inept in their profession, says anything medically related you should automatically be skeptical.

when the best the government can do is put some lying-two-faced fraudster like Fauci who can't even make up his mind on the vaccination threshold required to reach herd immunity, who says "no mask" one day, "one mask yesterday" and "two masks" tomorrow as the nation's so-called "top doc," is their reluctance to trust that system any real surprise?  It isn't to me.  This is what democrats don't comprehend.

The solution, however, is not to censor to tell people what they have to think.  It's to empower them to think for themselves.  Sadly, our educational system has failed to do that at all levels for decades now.

The "health experts" who bold face lied about the efficacy of masks early on, intentionally suppressed any discussion of the lab leak hypothesis, and justified mass black lives matter protests while telling everyone else to lock down?

yea yea "left good right bad"

If you're referring to my instincts I don't really think a reflexive anti authoritarianism is childish, it's just a disposition like any other.

what reasons are there that make you think it isn't a human being during the early stages?

I don't disagree that people often make bad choices for themselves.  But this is the fundamental disagreement you and I will likely have on essentially every issue that involves expanding the scope of state power: what is to be done about it?

I find the proposition that they are doing what they do to help their political outgroups and enemies to be the breathtaking violation of Occam's razor

The idea that someone like Chuck Schumer would even lift a pinky finger to help someone like me is completely laughable--far more likely, someone like that would go out of their way to hurt someone like me. Pretty much everyone on the right recognizes this instinctively, which is why you see the behavior you do regarding stuff like masks and vaccinations.

That and the fact that a lot of us have some reflexive anti authoritarian impulses (most white republicans are descended from the most disagreeable people in Europe after all.) For example, at this point the pressure campaign has been so heavy handed and oppressive that I actually regret getting vaccinated lol. My attitude is always "f*ck you" when ordered around lol,  definitely not alone in that either

am I correct in saying that it is then almost solely due to the woman's bodily autonomy that abortion is permissible?

Whether something is intended or not is not usually relevant when it comes to the obligations/responsibilities one must take on

But it does carry enough weight to say the mother shouldn't start doing hard drugs during their 1st trimester?

Also, in an earlier comment you said, "Someone who for example stabs a pregnant woman in the stomach should, in addition to whatever charges are filed for the harm caused to the mother, be charged for murder."

Does this apply during the first trimester or only after such a time that the fetus has "traits we tend to value in living creatures"?

If it applies in the 1st trimester, how does it follow that it counts as murder when someone other than the mother takes the life?

I do not however believe that a woman accepts that responsibility merely because she decided to have sex

Why not?

What are your thoughts on abortion in the 2nd and 3rd trimester?

so people resort to other tactics to deflect/derail the discussion (as we've seen Double R do multiple times)

I've spent 100s of hours learning about race realism, understanding the concepts involving it from scratch (SNPs, fst values etc.) and understanding all the opposing arguments to it (more variation between than within, social construct, red-lining, lead poisoning, bad schools etc.)

What do you really want?

People to accept race realism as factual.

You do know death isn't the only damage done by COVID right?

Are you referring to the monumental loss of quality of life due to lockdowns?

There is an extremely high degree of sadism and psychopathy among American elites, you can see that simply by how they treat and talk about the people they rule, and their actions.

Alright, considering you have not disputed that a parent's rights can be limited when they are a legal guardian (neglect laws) then is it the issue of bodily autonomy itself?

Most people are NOT at any significant risk.

yes, there 1000% are people who get sick pleasure out of exercising power over others just because they can.

Just as the rights bias leads many to believe masks are worthless, the lefts bias leads many to way over emphasize the importance with things like outdoor mask mandates or mask mandates for vaccinated people.

So would you then agree that the unborn do have rights, just not so much so that abortion becomes unjustified?

This "99%" includes ALL COVID related deaths, including those BEFORE the vaccines were made available.

the core disagreement in this debate will always be the question of whether we think of a fetus as a CITIZEN or not.

You have to be a human being before you can be a citizen

Only CITIZENS have the full protection of the state.

Thus far, there have been about 616,000 people who have died in the U.S. as a result of COVID--or so they state. 99% of that is 609, 840.

That means 99.633% of the un-vaccinated have survived after being exposed to this virus for almost two years.

First, with each individual, one would have to demonstrate that in the absence of vaccination, COVID would produce death, and that vaccination has staved off this prospect.

The term hoax here means "mistaken". So to believe that large swarms of people cannot be mistaken is a cognitive bias towards public opinion.

So if we justify killing an unborn in the first trimester, can we take a stance against drugging one?

I am also curious how you define 'human' and at what point of development one becomes a 'human'.

Vaccines have neither reduced nor prevented death.

Should U.S soldiers be charged with murder too.

Yes. 

the core disagreement in this debate will always be the question of whether we think of a fetus as a CITIZEN or not.

It would take less than 100 people.

I'm showing how the fallacy of just trusting the masses, the same masses who caused the satanic panic, the British dancing disease, and the Salem witch trials is stupid.

So, not including cases of rape, does a woman have a responsibility over the life of their unborn child, and does that responsibility lead to a limit on the bodily autonomy. That is the debate.

Mask mandates are vapid, absurd and politically motivated security theater

So called "social distancing" is based on junk science.  The idea is that respiratory particles do not travel more than 6 feet.

Same goes for "capacity limits."  There is not now, nor has there ever been, evidence supporting efficacy of those "safety measures" in accomplishing their intended purpose.

It is very clear that COVID is very political for you

The goal is to build trust while allowing people to be free so that when health recommendations are made that people will be more trusting of the information, when the vaccine becomes available people are more trusting of it, etc.

Choice is the left’s focus when it comes to abortion

And that was their biggest mistake.

From a legal perspective, it's always been about MEDICAL PRIVACY.

Even the united states has laws prohibiting "what sex acts you are allowed to partake".

No, an anti-authoritarian point of view

the insanity by authoritarians (and more Left-leaning governors have taken authoritarian measures than right-leaning ones in response to Covid), even from other states, has caused such a level of distrust

especially when you take into account the social media censorship of criticism and how we know that social media, in very recent history, has censored stories for political gain

We are in a country that has become more and more polarized. People on both sides will take stances just to be contrarian to the other side. It isn't necessarily 'childish', it follows basic group psychology.

The purpose of this is to build distrust in the government in many people, causing them to take whatever the opposite position I advocate for regardless of what it is.

I would also try to have as many people move into the state as possible, especially if they are unvaccinated. Undocumented migrants would be of greatest use

but also keep things locked down despite people becoming vaccinated. This will cause those that already distrusted the government to take a hard stance against treatment of any kind.

You would prohibit vaccines in your state on the grounds that they are too dangerous when in reality they save lives

Yet we don't see the GOP doing either of these things and instead letting people choose their own risk tolerance because of the American value of freedom.

Is America principled with this value?