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@ADreamOfLiberty
For the fourth or fifth time now, walking out of a store with an unpaid item is not where the crime is committedFor the 5th-nth time: yes it is whether most people would prosecute or not.
You are grossly ignorant of how these things work. Here is a sample; NY law on larceny:
§ 155.05 Larceny; defined.
1. A person steals property and commits larceny when, with intent to deprive another of property or to appropriate the same to himself or to a third person, he wrongfully takes, obtains or withholds such property from an owner thereof.
Just like nearly every law on the books anywhere, intent is purposefully built into the law. Is not theft if it happened by accident. It’s not theft if a person has an item in their shopping cart that they forgot to put on the register and ends up leaving the store with it. So if you want to prosecute someone for theft, you have to prove that their actions were deliberate. Because that’s when a morally wrong has actually been committed.
the crime is the purposeful selection and concealment of that item from those whom it belonged.Find it in the law.
Ok. Let’s let ChatGPT work:
Espionage Act (18 U.S.C. § 793) – Unauthorized Retention of National Defense Information: Trump was accused of willfully retaining classified documents related to national defense, including sensitive military information, without authorization. This law prohibits the possession of such materials when it is known that they have been removed from their proper place of custody.
Obstruction of Justice (18 U.S.C. § 1519 and § 1505): Trump was accused of obstructing the investigation by allegedly hiding or concealing documents and making false statements to federal authorities. This includes efforts to prevent the government from retrieving the documents.
False Statements (18 U.S.C. § 1001): Trump faced accusations of making false statements to federal investigators, including misleading the FBI about the location and contents of the documents.
Conspiracy (18 U.S.C. § 371): In some aspects of the case, Trump was accused of conspiring with others to obstruct justice, including his aides and legal team, who allegedly assisted in the concealment or misrepresentation of the documents.
Notice how no one, not even Trump, is accusing Biden of any of this. Because Biden didn’t do any of this, Trump did. That’s what we call different. And different means they are not the same. And not the same means that when you claim that they are the same, you are either being egregiously dishonest or you are breathtakingly ignorant. Calling different things different is not hypocrisy, it’s honesty.
Also (for the fourth or fifth time): the concealing is the accusation. That is not conceded to by Trump or me.
That’s where evidence comes in, and it’s overwhelming. The only defense you and all of MAGA has is that it’s all a giant conspiracy, which is when you know you have no rational justification to keep spouting the nonsense you do.
And what makes you obtuse is the fact that you can’t get through your head that the mere possession of those documents is not the issue.Your personal opinions are of no relevance.
This isn’t a court of law, it’s a debate site, which falls into the court of public opinion. Personal opinions are what matters here. Whether the case against Trump meets the standards to deprive him of his freedom is not the issue here, the issue is whether he deserves to again be granted unlimited access to our classified secrets. The fact that you would support that despite all of the above referenced is absurd.
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@Greyparrot
Oh please, don't tell me someone running on a platform of "joy" with booty dancers to pack the crowds in and a comprehensive economic plan revolving around her experiences of growing up "middle class" is serious about anything.
She’s serious enough for you guys to freak out with wall to wall coverage every time she proposes or even says something you don’t like. Yet when Trump proposes or says something that’s often twice as ridiculous you guys all shrug because “he doesn’t really mean that”.
It’s obvious which candidate here we all take seriously and which one none of us do, no matter how childishly you want to pretend otherwise.
I would have loved to see Trump replaced with a competent Democrat...and there were PLENTY to choose from.
Name some
But democracy is off the table because orangemanbad is just too powerful of a cult for the elites to refuse to take advantage of.
This is just stupid. There is nothing remarkable about Kamala, she’s your average politician and your average democrat. Even if you are being sincere about wanting to see another Democrat win over Trump (which I truly doubt), there is nothing about her which makes her an notable choice in the sense of turning off any significant segment of the electorate. This is your TDS talking here.
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@DavidAZZ
Once he fails, quits or resigns, he is out and another will come to take his place. MAGA is a movement, not a person. The "cult of Donald Trump" as you say will move to another when Trump is no longer around.
No, it won’t. We’ve already seen what happens when other politicians try to emulate MAGA - they fail spectacularly.
The problem with MAGA is that it is at its core, a movement based in ignorance. That’s why it appeals so strongly to people without college degrees - things always look stupid when you don’t understand them. The issue is that a movement based in ignorance can only be lead by an ignoramus, and ignoramuses have no appeal to those of us who know better.
This is what makes Trump so unique and remarkable. This is a guy who has spent his entire life conning people into believing he’s some kind of self made billionaire whose achieved what he has off the strength of his uncanny genius. A genius so on the level that he operates in a space the rest of us cannot even see let alone understand. And he does this all while at the same time, demonstrating himself to be a total moron.
It’s this brazen contradiction that gives Trump his superpower. When he does something stupid, he’s really just playing 3D chess. His supporters are able to write off everything he does in biblical fashion; ‘Trump works in mysterious ways’. So no matter what he does or says he gets a pass, a pass we would give to no other person on the planet.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
His defense is that he had a right to those documents.I know, but what makes you a hypocrite is that your theory is that he didn't have a right to those documents and yet you refuse to admit the implications of this "law" for anyone else
And what makes you obtuse is the fact that you can’t get through your head that the mere possession of those documents is not the issue. No matter how many times I’ve explained this you just keep repeating the same nonsense - cause you are wrong here and you know it.
For the fourth or fifth time now, walking out of a store with an unpaid item is not where the crime is committed, the crime is the purposeful selection and concealment of that item from those whom it belonged. This is first grade level stuff.
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@WyIted
Would you be more open to make concessions to somebody calling you the axis of evil or to somebody saying you are a great person?
I would be more open to making concessions to someone who has something useful to offer me in exchange. Sending me love letters is not that.
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@Greyparrot
If there was an actual serious person, Trump wouldn't be ahead right now.
What a ridiculous thing to say.
The excuse Trump supporters offer up every time he says something absurdly stupid or dangerous is that he doesn’t really mean the things he says. Clearly, these people don’t care about political candidates being serious.
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@Best.Korea
But nothing will ever match "deplorables" in duration of effect it had on opponent. I think I heard MAGA repeat the word over 500 times even after Hillary lost.
What’s so amazing about the deplorables comment is that Hillary was very clearly not talking about all Trump supporters as they have obsessively claimed all these years.
“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right? The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”
It really makes one wonder… if you are so offended, why? Are you one of those things she explicitly mentioned?
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@Sidewalker
we don't push back hard enough on immigration, he stopped immigration reform from happening, he shouldn't be allowed to run on that unchallenged
Agreed. I will grant them that Biden messed this up at the outset, he was way too focused on pandering to the far left which is not where the majority of the country was. This is one of those issues we should have given them from the start, it was literally all they had at that time. Inflation would come later.
But once Trump killed the bill no honest person can talk. If immigration is such a serious issue there is no excuse to leave it as is for a whole nother year regardless of what you think Trump will do. At that point you’ve given away your hand; you’re not really serious about this.
But again, I agree the Harris campaign did not handle this effectively. Simply repeating that Trump killed the border deal isn’t enough, low information voters need it spelled out more clearly. I think she should have made her campaign pitch to be that “we’ll fix the border as soon as we get Trump the hell out of our way”. If she had delivered that line verbatim at the debate I don’t think they would have recovered.
His economic record is abysmal, he collapsed the best economy any president has ever inherited, and Biden/Harris got it back, how we let them present that oppositely is amazing. They say, yeah but Covid and I say, yeah, he wrecked the economy AND mismanaged the Covid crisis causing hundreds of thousands to die unnecessarily.
I agree with that mostly but I think there’s a bit of a contradictory message there. Trump’s handling of COVID was objectively atrocious, but the economy would have crashed either way so going down that path is to grant the idea that it’s impact on the economy was mostly controllable, which in turn grants their criticisms of Biden. The fact is it just wasn’t.
The problem with the right on the economy as Covid is concerned is that they want to have it both ways; they want to blame Biden for everything that happened as a result of Covid while blaming Trump for none of it, as if Covid ended at noon on January 20th 2021. As if it was just coincidence that the rest of the world experienced inflation just as we did. As if putting a hold on nearly everything for a year wasn’t going to have serious lasting affects, especially when considering how many businesses closed down permanently during that time.
All these guys ever do is make excuses for Trump
My favorite is “oh he doesn’t really mean that”. Think of what that says about you that you’re voting for someone who you’re arguing isn’t a serious person. And that’s aside from the utter hypocrisy of those who will then turn around and claim Trump is actually good because ‘look at this good thing he said’.
And they talk tough but are so incredibly thin skinned
They’re still talking about being called deplorables, almost a decade later.
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@Sidewalker
Obama handed him an unprecedented 75 months in a row of growth, and he totally fucked it up.
I continue to say, the Harris campaign’s greatest failure is that they allowed the myth of the great Trump economy to persist almost unchecked. When undecided voters finally break and their top priority is because of the economy it’s almost exclusively for Trump despite the fact that every serious economist says his stated plans will make things way worse. It’s all about a fake nostalgia.
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@WyIted
Remember that Trump says he loves Kim Jong-Un.This is the most retarded dhit you guys say, because you are too stupid to understand diplomacy
Ah, so saying you fell in love with the guy developing nuclear warheads is a diplomatic way to stop him from developing nuclear weapons. Genius!
I can’t wait to hear the update on how well that worked out.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It’s not gaslighting, it’s pure facts.Mostly accusations
Supported with clear evidence, and most of which Trump is not even contesting. His defense is that he had a right to those documents. When you need to come up with your own defense instead of being able to accept his that should make you think, but it won’t.
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@Greyparrot
You're absolutely delusional if you think MAGA will just let the authoritative deep state keep taking freedom and prosperity away from them
Id be delusional if I thought the MAGA cult would ever accept that their conspiracy world view is not real. Fortunately that’s only a portion of one side, the rest along with the left are out here in real life sorting through real world problems.
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@WyIted
MAGA is a movement and it's not going anywhere and if anything Trump us holding it back. We'll see who leads MAGA next. My bet is on Vivek Ramaswamy.
MAGA will not survive without Trump. It only exists because of Trump’s brazen lies which no other politician can get away with. When someone else tries it people see right through it, that’s why Trump’s handpicked candidates keep losing races the republicans should have easily one, Mark Robinson being the next example.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The way you keep trying to gaslight
Biden found about a dozen classified documents, alerted the FBI and told them to come get them.
Trump removed box loads of documents, was told to return them, lied saying he didn’t have them, and continued to hide them until a search warrant had to be issued.
And you think these are the same.
It’s not gaslighting, it’s pure facts.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
You have failed in every case to establish and maintain the objective legitimacy of the lawfare against Trump
Says the guy why thinks calling the FBI and letting them know you just found a dozen or so classified documents that they should come and take is the same as hiding box loads of classified documents from the FBI after repeatedly lying to them saying you never had them when you know you did… are the same.
My inability to convince you says way more about you than it does about me.
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@WyIted
In Minnesota recently a man died from falling in his bathtub.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
It was more important to defend law and order and democracy.
By lining up behind a convicted felon who’s facing indictments in 3 other jurisdictions and where the evidence against him in all three is overwhelming, and where two of those indictments are for his attempts to subvert American democracy…
We tell you exactly how we think and still you ignore it
I don’t ignore it, I dismiss it because it’s absurd. If someone tells you they value their life and then jumps off of a building, it’s clear they didn’t really mean what they said.
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@Greyparrot
how is saying something is worse than X an "equivocation?"
It’s an equivocation when they aren’t remotely similar, and when the arguments that attempt to place them on equal footing fail at the most basic level, which is exactly the case with nearly every right wing “I’m rubber and you’re glue” attempt.
There is literally zero explanation for why people are voting for Kamala other than what they admit to: She is not Trump.
The reason it is difficult to explain why we are voting for Kamala is because she isn’t remarkable. She’s what we generally expect from any normal presidential candidate; she’s intelligent, she's a decent person, she respects the constitution, she respects the office, she is focused on working with lawmakers to solve problems, etc.
Trump is none of these things, which creates a dilemma; either we don’t get into the nuances of Kamala’s policies and positions which makes it look like she doesn’t have any when she absolutely does, or we do talk about these things in which case we’re accepting as a premise that any of that matters when compared to the alternative, which it doesn’t. Doesn’t matter whether Kamala’s idea of subsidizing first time home buyers is a good idea when Trump’s ridiculous tariff proposals will completely tank the economy. Doesn’t matter whether you think Kamala’s plan for childcare will really work when the guy she’s running against is threatening to use the military against his political opponents.
Context matters, the only thing remarkable about this election is that we’re about to (among many other atrocious factoids I could offer) put the guy who incited a mob to attack the US Capitol and watched it on TV for three hours while the National guard stood by waiting for his approval to intervene… back in the White House. The rest is kind of irrelevant.
Orangemanad is a toxic cult with one irrational belief, and America will suffer for indulging it.
What’s irrational is to pretend this guy is a normal, serious person who deserves to be anywhere near the White House.
It's not the first time evil people in power created a cult of fear to manipulate people
Agreed. Hitler and Mussolini are prominent examples. If only we understood the tactics they used to manipulate people and could draw parallels to help us understand which of these two candidates was most similar…
Trump destroys everything he touches...Thank you for defining your cult with a single line of dogma.
I gave you a litany of examples to demonstrate the point. But as usual with Trump supporters, you must have ran out of bandwidth to absorb any of it so it came across to you as dogma. It’s ok, we’re used to it.
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@WyIted
It's light when the left rioted after Trump was elected and said "see that's why it was bad to vote trump"
There was no serious rioting in response to Trump’s election victory. This is just made up.
When they intentionally tank the economy which internal reports are indicating Nissan their plan than no I am notbgoing to be convinced they are the good guys and vote for them.
No one intentionally tanked anything. This is again, made up. And frankly it’s just stupid.
You liberals went from being cool people who were anti establishment to going."Derp establishment good and freedom bad"
Being anti establishment and being an arsonist are two very different things. Liberals are anti establishment in that we see the system doesn’t work for working people and want serious changes to ensure there remains opportunity for those willing to work hard. Trump is a bull in China shop - there’s no telling what will be leftover once he’s done. All he guarantees is that he’s going to attack the people in charge. He has no concept of what a fixed system would look like and he doesn’t even pretend to care, but you people trust him anyway for some godforsaken reason.
What liberals are now focused on is protecting the institution of democracy itself because while the system itself remains very stubborn, it is the only real chance we have of attaining the kind of shared prosperity we advocate for. Authoritarians don’t take power to ensure the “forgotten man” is taken care of, they take power because that’s what they crave and they find ways to ensure that power by rewarding those who kiss the ring and screwing everyone else. Look at every other example throughout history. Hell, look at everything Trump is demonstrating for you. He couldn’t be presenting this more clearly.
You want people like me to vote for you stop being evil. Make your news unbiased stop attacking the first amendment and everything else on the bill of rights stop trying to lower us in the economic freedom index and moving our index number closer to north Korea and Venezuela.
Every example you just gave is made up nonsense. The problem is not our beliefs and actions, it’s the inability of people like yourself to understand the things people are telling you. I experience this first hand every time I argue with you. It’s not that you misinterpret me, it’s as if you didn’t bother to read in the first place and instead just saw that there were words written, tried to predict what they would have said, and then responded to your own predictions. Not a hint of any effort to understand it.
Just as a simple guide for life in general, when given the option between evil or not evil. Always choose not evil
How is believing that a woman should have a right to her own body, that poor people are mostly good people who need help, and that everyone’s vote should count the same… evil?
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@Greyparrot
I'd say the cult of misandry and "BadTrump" is much statistically larger than those who see Trump favorably.
The usual I’m rubber and you’re glue argument, do you really find these silly equivocations convincing?
The best and most succinct expression of cultism by comparison to religion; “In a religion, your savior sacrifices themself for you. In a cult, you sacrifice yourself for your savior.”
Early in the campaign the Republican Party largely agreed that Trump was not the best candidate to beat Biden, he was neck and neck with Dasanis in the polls and Nikki Haley was climbing. Then Trump was indicted, and that pretty much ended the primary. It was more important to defend Trump than the party, and as a result the one candidate on that stage who stood a chance at losing in November is the one they coalesced behind.
Earlier this year the republicans finally got what they’ve been calling for the better part of a decade now; a serious border bill. But then Trump realized it hurt his political future, so the party set it to the side. All hail Trump.
Micheal Cohen, Steve Bannon, Rudy Giuliani, Sydney Powel, Jenna Ellis, etc. all living examples of self sacrifice for the dear leader.
Ted Cruz, Kevin Mcarthy, JD Vance, Mitch McConnell, Tim Scott, etc. all living examples of politicians who’ve had to humiliate themselves publicly to atone for their sins against the dear leader.
The 2022 mid terms… Enough said.
Trump destroys everything he touches, and those he destroys continue to “yes please give me more”. We’ve never seen a cult like Trumpism before.
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@Mall
So when you replied with No, you actually meant yes, and the point to take away from the conversion is one that had nothing to do with the conversion.
Cool.
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@Mall
“No. But…” still means; No.
Moreover:
But I'll say the point to take away is you never know
You asked me whether I would changed my attitude towards Trump if he did things I liked and my response was that I would but saw no reason whatsoever to believe he would. This wasn’t cut out to misrepresent you, it was cut out because it had nothing to do with the conversation, which is exactly what “No. But…” signifies.
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@RemyBrown
Yes; but in terms of the evidence for and against those facts, I don't expect randos here left or right to have all the facts to defend their position. I'm sure some people are fast; but I wouldn't place them in a 100 meter Olympic dash. I would save that for the people who actually train and make that their life's work.Harris is the one who has to actually train and make good arguments for her positions
This is yet again, another demonstration of a lack of critical thinking skills. Arguments stand or fall on their own merit and it’s up to each individual to assess them as such. All you’re doing here is concocting an excuse to not have to do your own research on anything and just base your worldview on whatever the candidates tell you. That is a recipe for manipulation.
Moreover, you’re just wrong on your characterization. Candidates focus on the skills they need to win elections. Being a great debater is low on the list, especially since political debates are rarely anything more than just rehashed talking points. The truth is you’re far more likely to see better, more complete and definitely more nuanced arguments on sites like this one where people are talking to each other and not to the cameras. Candidates focus on being likable, trustworthy, and conveying their values to like minded individuals because that’s what wins elections. That’s an entirely different skill set.
Those words Harris can state on Rogan and Rogan would provide decent counters that Harris would be expected to be able to rebuttal.
The accuracy and legitimacy of the case is not impacted by Harris’s ability to provide an effective rebuttal.
I am not going to put as much effort into them as someone who's litterally running for POTUS.
She’s trying to accomplish many more things than just providing a legitimate rebuttal, so if you’re looking for the best arguments this isn’t the place to be.
If you are looking for a strong case that Trump is a fascist this video was pretty good, definitely way better and more in depth than anything Harris would waste her time putting together.
People have largely made up their minds, and even though the undecided voters are a small part of the population, they are the annexable ones and should be treated as such.
Again, the biggest block of gettable voters at this point in the campaign are the ones who have a preferred candidate but may stay home instead. As the saying goes, the choice is not just between Kamala and Trump, it’s between Kamala, Trump and the couch, and sadly in America the couch is nearly undefeated.
Going on Joe Rogan would be good, but it is not unreasonable in the slightest to think there are better ways to spend her time now which have nothing to do with her being intimidated.
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@Mall
Is there a point to this?Of course.You plan on making it?No.
Ok cool
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@Greyparrot
nothing is as terrifying as going on the Joe Rogan podcast.Apparently.
Apparently... when you have lost all connection with reality. This is what TDS actually looks like.
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@Greyparrot
Ah, so of all of the intimidating things one has to endure about running for president, nothing is as terrifying as going on the Joe Rogan podcast.
This is so pathetic.
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@Greyparrot
I would have thought you of all people would have appreciated the honesty of Rogan telling Trump to his face that he(Trump) says some crazy shit.
I do, had nothing to do with anything I've said
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@RemyBrown
Trump or Harris going to battleground states/battleground people (like Joe Rogan) takes courage because Rogan's audience is much more independently leaning;
Running for president is the most invasive venture any human being could ever embark on. Every thing you've ever done in your life is subject to world wide scrutiny and every word you speak will be played on an endless loop if you screw up so I really don't know why this narrative convinces you. Why you seem to think Joe Rogan is so much more intimidating than everyone else on planet earth. But whatever, you're entitled to your opinion.
Alright; if Harris believes these things, then why doesn't she go on JRE's podcast and defend those views?
For the same reason she along with every presidential candidate does anything they do this close to an election; because they along with their team calculated that there is a more effective use of their time.
What difference does any of this make to my question? You said you don't take any of her claims seriously, and yet the claims you are talking about are being made pretty much everywhere in the country including many times on this site.
The claim that Trump is fascist is proven by playing his actual words that he has publicly uttered many times before. Plus the fact that the people he appointed and worked side by side with him are telling us this is who he is behind the scenes as well. So why do you care what Kamala tells you to believe, do you not have your own opinions?
She'd rather tour with Beyonce (which doesn't win too much support because everyone can assume Beyonce would be a Harris supporter
But not every Harris supporter will go out and vote, neither will every Trump supporter. Undecided voters at this point in the campaign are a tiny sliver of the population, what's far more important at this stage is energizing your voters to go out and cast a ballot. Touring with Beyonce is a great way to accomplish that. Like I said, it's all a political calculation, has little to nothing to do with how scared they are of Joe Rogan.
You would say that about anyone who disagrees with you on who's better, Trump or Harris, so, yawn....
I say that about anyone actively demonstrating a deficiency in the basic principals of critical thinking. One of which is recognizing that the person making the argument is irrelevant to the argument itself.
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@Greyparrot
Because Rogan will tell Trump straight to his face exactly as he did on the podcast: "You say some crazy shit man"Kamala isn't prepared for that level of honesty.
This is just stupid.
If you think running for president, debating on national television, taking questions at town halls from voters, going on Fox news as a democrat... All pale in comparison to sitting down with Joe Rogan you are demented.
I also doubt you would respond as well if Rogan told you that you say crazy shit, like "The Democrat party cares about me"
Why? This is such an easy thing to deal with. If someone told me I say crazy shit is respond with "like what" and then explain why what I said isn't what they're making it out to be.
Or I could just act like Trump same pretend everything I said was great, look at all the people who agree with me, and if you don't you're a lunatic hater and loser.
I haven't seen any of the Rogan interview so I'd love to know how close I came.
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@Mall
Of course I would. If he turns out to be a good president this time around I will say so. Based on everything we've seen from him thus far, he is not capable of that and has no interest in that.
Is there a point to this?
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@RemyBrown
I don't vote for cowards. Trump had the guts to defend his views to Rogan; Harris didn't.
So let me get this straight, Trump has been cancelling appearances left and right and refuses to do another debate after getting his ass handed to him in the last one, but Kamala Harris who unlike Trump did the 60 minute interview and went on Fox News is the coward because she hasn't yet gone on with Joe Rogan?
This is cherry picking in the extreme. If you're voting for Trump this is not why.
Me: Now, I can't take you seriously. Any bad claim you make about Trump I just can't take seriously if you're unwilling to defend these claims to Rogan
Setting aside why you think Joe Rogan is the political god that all presidential candidates must answer to...
The evidence that Trump is a fascist along with every other claim being made against him is not because Kamala Harris said so. It's because of the things he says and does everyday along with the testimonials of the people who worked for him. You would benefit from exercising a bit more critical thinking as you assess which candidate would be better for the country.
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@WyIted
I know that economists probably have their heart in the right place but slave labor is bad as is a good portion of child labor as is adult labor in really shitty conditions. If i have to pay 25% extra for an American TV and not have that guilt of contributing to slave labor than that is a good thing even if you have 10 million economists bragging that slave labor is good for the economy
So you're against Harris because she and Biden made prices go up, but also when process go up because of Trump it'll be a good thing and you'll be happy to pay it. Ok bro.
You're entitled to your opinion.
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@Greyparrot
We should, which is why nearly every economist says Harris is the better candidate.Nearly every government paid lobbyist and MSNBC paid. I absolutely agree they support whatever garbage Kamala promises. Along with 500 intelligence agencies and government experts on government economics.
Experts schmexperts. MAGA!
Exactly.
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@Mall
Once President Trump is in office andddd doing things you want, will you recant all this?
In order for that to happen this entire campaign would have to be a fraud, so the same question in reverse applies to you.
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@WyIted
Why shouldn't we protect American jobs
We should, which is why nearly every economist says Harris is the better candidate.
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@cristo71
You claim he is a threat to democracy, yet your prediction has nothing to do with how this grave threat will manifest if he is elected.
Because it was an economic prediction, not a prediction regarding the state of our economy. You do know two things can be true at the same time, right?
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@WyIted
It's concerning that the number is increasing and things are getting worse for people. We should strive to make things better
Yes we should, so we shouldn't elect someone whose plan to bring down the cost of childcare is to levy tarrifs on every import that comes into the country.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
The fact that you think the people need to be protected from their elected agent of change is undemocratic.
And yet it's literally built into the constitution. See 14th amendment.
The question is: Who in the executive branch should (according to the constitution) be immune from termination by the leader of the executive branch?The objective answer is: No one.
Yes, but apparently you can admit that before being elected and still lock them up. You just have to give a different excuse in the court filings and make the court favorable court stacking or venue shopping.See "Get Trump".
Yeah, were back to "Trump did nothing wrong". Hording classified documents by the truckload and hiding them from the FBI next to the toilet at Maralago... Nothing to see there. Orchestrating fraudulent electors in an effort to overturn am election, nothing to see there. It's patheticc.
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@cristo71
So this will be how democracy ends— with thunderous applause…
Not a word of what I said had anything to do with democracy.
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@WyIted
The economy has been improving so much people are going homeless from not being able to pay the rent
We've always had homeless people. Are you just now figuring this out?
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@Greyparrot
If Trump says it one time and Harris brings it up 1 million times, it's clear who is objectively deflecting from themselves.
It's not deflection to point out to people something about your political opponent that if were the case with any other political candidate in our lifetimes would have ended their career instantly. Again, the only remarkable thing about all of this is that there are enough morons out there who don't find any of this troubling.
Violence on the left already happened, it's history, not a prediction.
If the right didn't have false equivalences they would have no arguments at all.
Well, let's hope the news continues to concede the public concerns over food prices even if the candidates ignore it.
Trump has no plan to fix food prices, please stop acting like you're the level headed enough to focus on what really matters.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
rofl, protect the unelected from the elected.
The fact that you think the people need to be protected from career civil servants who have served under both democratic and republican administrations is the problem. Paranoia is not rational, so there's not really anything left to be said.
No, that's the extreme minority of government bureaucrats.
And yet all of those people are subject to schedule F.
If these are not the people you're referring to then who specifically?
Haven't you learned that gaslighting doesn't work here?
I've learned that when someone is convinced the earth is flat it's futile to try and convince them it's round. That doesn't mean it isn't entertaining to see how they will continue defending their assertion that it's flat.
They don't wake up everyday figuring out how to conspire with each other to run some shadowy governmentThen we have nothing to fear from them and they have nothing to fear from us (the people).
Donald Trump is not "the people", and yes, they should absolutely fear the prospect of him coming back into power, because he's an ignoramus who thinks he knows better than all of them and his instincts are antithetical to everything these agencies stand for.
Like the mandate that he will use the military and DOJ to go after his political opponentsDomestic enemies of the constitution.
Or as Donald Trump would translate that: democrats along with anyone who disagrees with him or talks about him unfavorably.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Schedule F is democracy in action
There is a reason we purposefully built into our system of government protections for civil servants from the top layers of our government. It's to ensure our government is working for the people, not the dear leader. That's what democracy is about, and it's exactly what Schedule F seeks to dismantle.
These entrenched government bureaucrats span the range from misguided and useless to a malicious warmongering war-profiting power mad shadow government.
This is just stupid. You're talking about doctors working in our health agencies, scientists working at agencies like the FDA, meteorologists working at NOAA, etc. They don't wake up everyday figuring out how to conspire with each other to run some shadowy government, they're working their fields of expertise to accomplish the mission of these agencies. You're delusional.
A president cannot (legally) ignore the constitution by executive order, but he can (legally) and should reorder the executive branch to suit the mandate of the people which he represents.
Like the mandate that he will use the military and DOJ to go after his political opponents
I say that about you constantly.
Because you're delusional
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@Swagnarok
Even if every report about him being a dictator-wannaba were true (and there was always a conflict interest by those making these claims, in that their first reason for acting was to damage Trump and the Republican Party, with reporting the facts being second place at best), he's not powerful enough to act on it
Google Project 2025 and particularly Schedule F.
He won't be doing it, it will be the people he surrounds himself with, which will be night and day different from the people he surrounded himself with in 2017. Everyone knows this, and Trump isn't even trying to pretend otherwise.
To not understand this by this point is a choice.
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@Mall
Wishful thinking.
No, common sense. Trump is the primary source of vitriol and nonsense within our political system and has been since the day he rode down the golden escalator.
From Haitian migrants eating cats and dogs to 3-5 million illegals voted in California he just says the stupidest things without any evidence whatsoever and now the rest of us have to sit here pretending as if this were a legitimate thing to talk about. News organizations are then forced to cover it, politicians who absolutely know better have to pretend this isn't batshit crazy and our national IQ drops considerably.
For whatever reason, Trump gets a pass for these things meanwhile if any other politician in America lead the way by saying something so stupid their political careers would be over instantly. But because they can hide behind Trump these ridiculous things get repeated over and over again till they become fact in all of MAGA world. It's insane, and once Trump is out of the picture and they don't have him providing cover, only then will we be able to get back to something resembling normal political discourse where solving our problems is the focus instead of his.
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@Amber
We will protect our family from any liberal civil war that will be manufactured by Biden/Harris when they are clearly losing and declare Marshal Law as a result.
And after absolutely none of this happens... Will you then reevaluate your paranoia?
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@WyIted
Prediction. Trump brings and end to the war in Ukraine and the middle east and has the best economy since his last presidency and the left somehow gives biden credit
Prediction (if Trump wins): in his first week in office Trump will point to the stock market which will be about the same as it is now and call it the greatest stock market ever. He'll point to the first jobs report which will be about the same as it is now and brag about how many jobs he created. The economy will continue to improve at the same pace is been improving over the past two years, but within 6 months Trump and all of MAGA will be telling us Trump fixed everything, America is great again, and this is the best economy we've ever seen.
Bonus prediction: on election night Trump will declare victory. (I know, bold)
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@cristo71
I think we are already seeing it. Compare the number of Trump bashing threads versus the number of NotTrump bashing threads.
One of the two candidates is out there doubling down on calling his political opponents "the enemy from within" and that candidate's former chief of staff just went on the record to tell us about how he used to praise Hitler. What's surprising is that there aren't more threads bashing him.
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