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@Greyparrot
I'm just giving you the benefit of the doubt that CIA was simply incompetent rather than deliberate.
No, you're just covering for the fact that you didn't know what the difference between disinformation and misinformation is by pretending that not distinguishing between the two is somehow giving "me" the benefit of the doubt.
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@Greyparrot
It's literally the quote from the congressional source. You are so lost.
lol did you Google the definition of disinformation? Clearly not.
Hint: Misinformation is a different thing.
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@Greyparrot
How else would you explain the unworkable economic policies and foreign policy disasters?
I think political hacks will find anything they can to attack and pretend everything he did was a disaster regardless of what reality shows. In these past 4 years we've seen record unemployment and record stock market gains, two things Trump bragged about endlessly, yet all you guys do is talk about how terrible the economy is. There's just nothing there to take seriously.
Regardless, he vindicated your claim already by resigning the ticket.
The implication of my post is that people like yourself are showing yourselves to be unabashed hypocrites. Biden's resignation had nothing to do with that.
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@cristo71
Russia invaded a country before Trump’s presidency and after Trump but not during Trump. That is a pretty striking coincidence by any measure. Now, this is where you’ll say something like “Correlation does not equal causation!” and I’ll respond with “See Madman Theory” and you’ll say “What are you talking about??” and I’ll explain how Trump threatened to take out Moscow if Putin invaded Ukraine
There's is no evidence that Trump threatened to "take out Moscow" if Putin invaded Ukraine. And in fact everything we have seen from Trump emphatically contradicts it.
Even if we set aside the bizarre love fest Trump had with Putin after 4 years of never having a bad thing to say about him, the way he governs as a dictator, the way he kills journalists and political opponents, and the fact that Trump took Putin's word over that of US intelligence in front of the entire world...
Everything about Trump's foreign policy says otherwise. His entire philosophy is that the US stay out of foreign affairs, he wants to pull us out of NATO, he said if a NATO ally doesn't "pay up" he would tell Putin he could "do whatever the hell he wants", and he is strongly against the US even sending weapons to Ukraine. But this is the guy you think Putin is afraid of? This is the guy you think would attack Russia and sacrifice US lives to protect Ukraine?
You touched on Madman theory, the idea that Trump is seen by political allies as so unhinged and crazy that they're afraid of what he might do. That really is remarkable. You either believe you know more about Trump than the leaders of other country's, as if you have access to him in ways they don't, or you actually believe he is crazy and unhinged to the point he would take action resulting in our annihilation and would vote for him anyway. That's insane.
Going back to your premise; the fact that Putin invaded Ukraine before and after Trump but not during, the far more reasonable presumption is that Putin always planned to invade Ukraine but was waiting for a second Trump term because he was expecting Trump to pull us out of NATO which would have made the global environment for such an invasion far more favorable. No contradictory arguments required.
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@Greyparrot
We all here know Trump is dumb about a lot of things and we have also said here that Trump was dumb about a lot of things, but his actions were verifiably better than the status quo today.
Funny how unconcerned you are with Trump's abilities and claim actions are the only thing that matters, but when Biden was in the ticket all we ever heard about was how old he is. Apparently stupid or incoherent statements are only a problem them you're a democrat.
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@HistoryBuff
But at his recent press event he was saying that more than 100% of job creations went to migrants. And it wasn't like he slipped and said the wrong thing. He stopped mid sentence, re-iterated it and repeated it more than once. Emphatically. What kind of moron thinks that more than 100% of jobs could go to anyone.
I agree with everything you've said but just pointing out that I see this example more in reverse - whereas you see a downright moron with a side of being a liar, I see this example as further evidence of what pathological liar he is with a side of showing what moron he is.
I am sure Trump knows full well that you can't have more than 100% of anything, the point is that he doesn't care. His relationship with the truth is fundamentally different than anything we have seen in American politics. When he speaks he's not trying to be factual or even logically consistent, the only aim of his words is to invoke emotions. This is why you will see him do things like claim the "real" unemployment rate is 'probably more like 20 or 30 percent or even 40%'. He does stuff like that because he's listening to himself in real time and realizing that 20 wasn't strong enough so he goes to 30, but that didn't do it either so then he goes to 40, which sounds terrible enough so he stops there. He has to keep going till it hits the right note of anger and inducing of fear.
Now if he had more intelligence he would realize how stupid what he says sounds like and have some sort of filter, but he is a moron so that won't save him either.
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@Greyparrot
On page 4 of the report, it states: 'The statement’s purpose was to delegitimize the New York Post’s reporting about Hunter Biden’s laptop by suggesting it was the product of Russian disinformation, despite the lack of evidence to support this conclusion at the time.'
Great. Now Google the definition of disinformation and note how the definition does not match to the words you (or probably AI) just typed.
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@Greyparrot
@ADreamOfLiberty
That linked document clearly alleges...You don't really think Double R is so stupid that he doesn't know this already. He made a conscious choice to ignore it and gaslight this forum. There is no point engaging with such a person unless there is an audience, and any reasonable observer would click on the link and see he's lying. Save your keystrokes my dear parrot.
All those keystrokes later and you still can't be bothered to cite the part of the report that alleges disinformation. Gee, I wonder why.
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@WyIted
Anyway the bible clearly tells you no fucking dudes in the ass. They don't listen so infects them with aids.What do queers do? They continue to buttfuck each other. What happens?
The amount of time and energy you spend thinking about what other people are doing with their genitals is just downright creepy.
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@Greyparrot
That linked document clearly alleges that the former intelligence officials engaged in a deliberate act of disinformation by framing the laptop story as "Russian propaganda" with zero evidence to support that claim.
Either you don't know what any of the words you just used mean, or you didn't bother to read the document.
Show me where it alleges disinformation. Not some vague made up description of the report, list the page number and cite the quote. I'll wait.
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@SocraticGregarian96
Inflation comes from government overspending: when the government overspends, they racket up debt, but since they are the government and they make the money, so they have to print more money to pay off the debt.
Ok awesome. So essentially, racking up the debt is what caused inflation.
Can you now explain to me why the $7 trillion Biden racked up on our debt caused inflation like we haven't seen in 40 years, but the $8 trillion Trump racked up on our debt didn't?
It's irresponsible for any news organization to allow it without warning people about the lies being told.This epitomizes the problem with the left inherently: they think people are so stupid that they need to intervene.
What this epitomizes is the problem with MAGA. It is a basic fact of human nature that people are terrible at using critical thinking to assess claims made in a political context, that's why propaganda is and has always been so prevalent all throughout recorded human history.
When this country was founded one of it's fundamental principals was to protect the rights to a free press, that's why freedom of speech is literally the 1st amendment. The founding fathers understood what you don't; that politicians will lie to their constituents and get away with it if you don't have a free press pushing back on those lies.
Your link doesn't even allege disinformation.so apparently you spew lies also, even when they have just been disproved literally on the forum for all to see.
Show me where in this document disinformation is alleged. I'll wait. Oh, and you might want to Google the definition of disinformation before attempting to do so.
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@Swagnarok
I fail to see what "people going back to work" has to do with inflation.
It's not specifically about people going to work, it's about routines and spending habits going back to normal, only to find themselves in a very different world.
Take gas for example. Once COVID hit everyone stopped driving so the demand for oil plummeted, and so did it's prices. Some refineries were actually paying businesses to take it off their hands. Think of what that does industry wide. Many of the places that refine and distribute oil were stuck with overhead they could no longer meet and had to close down. Then comes 2021 and people get back on the roads, but now with a significant portion of the supply chain wiped out we no longer have the ability to meet the global demand, so prices spike.
Same thing happened with computer chips. COVID created a massive spike in the demand for laptops and tablets, so manufacturers adapted by shifting it's resources from motor vehicle production. Then COVID ends and people are looking to buy new cars again but the supply chain had already been shifted towards computers, so new vehicle prices spike on top of the computer spike we already saw. And once prices go up, no one is going to bring them back down.
There were many other factors as well, but the point is that inflation had little to anything to do with Joe Biden's policies, nor is there anything Donald Trump could have done to stop it. This was a global issue brought on by a global pandemic, it's what Joe Biden inherited. Blaming him or propping up Trump as the answer to inflation is fundamentally dishonest.
It's still in poor taste for his supporters to brag about how great the economy supposedly is doing right now.
Why? It's politics 101. If Donald Trump was president right now we would never hear the end of how this is the greatest economy in the history of planet earth. Hell Trump is even trying to take credit for the stock market gains this year claiming it's because people think he's coming back. You don't get to talk about poor taste in bragging while supporting the most egregious braggart we've ever seen in American political life.
What this paints a picture of is a Biden economy where income rose faster than inflation for some, but not for marginalized groups.
I never said anything about marginalized groups. My AI generated response was about your claim that the left is just saying "believe us" with nothing to back it up when the data clearly shows that wages have gone up. Have wages kept up with inflation? No of course not, but that's been the case for decades now so it's no surprise. Have minorities and poorer Americans been left largely behind? Yes, but again, that's been going on for decades as well. And regardless of all of that, you certainly haven't provided any reason why Joe Biden should be held responsible for it or how Donald Trump will do anything about it.
when it came to discussions about the minimum wage 5 or so years ago, the left recognized how disastrous inflation has been for working class people. Now they're downplaying it since this discussion is inconvenient for their man in the White House.
But again, it's politics 101. The right is just as bad if not worse (and I would argue way worse).
Inflation is a very complex and nuanced subject so it's far easier to just blame whoever is in the White House than to explain to people all of the intricacies of how the economy works and how it has been impacted, plus people have a severely overinflated sense of just what the president can do so we'd be battling that misconception at a fundamental level. It just isn't smart politically to go down that road. People are ignorant so we have to play the game within the simplistic terms people will understand.
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@Greyparrot
No, wage growth did not consistently outpace inflation in all months following April 2023. While there have been...
Please stop using AI to make it sound like you are capable of writing out a thought out thesis
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@Greyparrot
I doubt they would tell you if it was.
It's your thread bro.
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@Greyparrot
You guys really think this stolen valor stuff is working don't you?
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@WyIted
yes and when trump doesn't do a holocaust will you admit the same?
I have no reason to because I've never made that claim.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Your link doesn't even allege disinformation.
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@WyIted
A depression is coming though and while it is possible even Trump could not avoid it, we know harris is incapable of avoiding it
So in 4 years after none of that happens will you then admit that you don't know what you're talking about and was just getting caught up in political propaganda?
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@thett3
I don’t really disagree with that much of what you said. I do think it would be fair to say he tried to steal the 2020 election. But it was such an incompetent effort and the system is so strong that it just isn’t a threat I take seriously. I do expect him to throw a temper tantrum and file some frivolous lawsuits if he loses this time but if he couldn’t get close to overturning his loss when he was a sitting President there’s a 0% chance it happens this time.
It's not what happens if he loses that worries me, it's what happens in 2028 of he is the sitting president, which is why it's so dangerous to reelect him in the first place.
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@Swagnarok
Sure, the price of everything has gone way up since Biden took office, whereas inflation wasn't that bad in the year 2020
Inflation is the result of the aftermath of COVID, which didn't begin till 2021 when vaccines became readily available and people went back to work. It didn't happen under Trump because he was already booted out of office by then.
but it doesn't matter because every worker in America got a kajillion dollar raise sometime in the last three years. Proof? Uh, uh, well we say it happened, and you must believe us!
Inflation and wages have been moving in different directions in recent years:
- 2021–2022Inflation exceeded wage growth from the beginning of 2021 to the end of 2022, which negatively impacted the real value of American wages.
- 2023–2024Since April 2023, wages have been growing faster than inflation:
- April 2024: Inflation was 3.4%, while wages grew by 4.7%
- June 2024: Nominal wages rose 4.2% while inflation was up 3.3%, resulting in real wage gains of 0.9%
- July 2024: Real pay grew across all pay and inflation measures, with Total Compensation generally showing the biggest increases
- April 2024: Inflation was 3.4%, while wages grew by 4.7%
The Federal minimum wage is still at $7.25 like it was in 2019, but it's no longer a problem just because we declare it isn't!
No one on the left is saying this. Harris repeatedly talks about raising the minimum wage to large cheering crowds at her rallies
you ignorant peons should be grateful to the glorious leader President Biden that further inflation has slowed, because we willfully mistake this for high prices actually falling back to pre-Biden levels.
The only people who mistake getting inflation back under control (which it currently is) and deflation are the idiots who say they're going to vote for Trump so he can make groceries affordable again.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
A nice idea in theory, until you have segments of our society actively spreading disinformation.
Your link doesn't even allege disinformation.
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@WyIted
Before Biden dropped out, I looked at the lies he listed and it was things like "I have the biggest crowds". It's stupid immature criticisms of obvious hyperbole.
I don't know why you would limit your review to things Biden pointed out, you can find any fact checker who will list dozens if not hundreds of far more dangerous and consequential lies he's told, but it's odd that you would even need to do that. Trump's relationship with the truth is unlike anything we have ever seen in American politics, the man simply isn't concerned with whether anything he says matches to reality and that is demonstrated by literally every extemporaneous thought he utters. There is no way you can listen to him speak without seeing that.
As far at the crowd size lie among many others like it, the reason these lies are focused on so heavily is because aside from the obvious pettiness, childishness, and how small and insecure it shows him to be, which calls into question whether he is fit on the most basic level to be the commander in chief, these lies are very simple for people to understand. Knowing how freely he will lie about something so easily disprovable is the first step to understanding how much he lies about everything. If you are going to make excuses for something that should be so easily disqualifying then any further conversation is kind of pointless, at that point you're clearly not interested in seeing him for what he is.
We all know the media is evil.
No, we don't. Some organizations are what I would consider evil, and the marker for me is whether they are in business to report the news or whether they are in business to tell people what they want to hear. Fox News founding document outlining it's entire reason for existence was titled "a plan to put the GOP on television". That tells you all you need to know.
For example instead of covering press briefings as fact, I would probably just live stream the press briefing with zero commentary so people can make up their own mind and I don't accidentally insert any bias or lies
A nice idea in theory, until you have segments of our society actively spreading disinformation. It's irresponsible for any news organization to allow it without warning people about the lies being told.
This is the defining problem of our time in the media world. In a perfect world neutral journalism and objective journalism are basically the same thing. Not anymore. Today we have one political party lead by a man who is entirely unconstrained by reality, so actual news organizations are forced to choose between the two. To be neutral is to allow blatant misinformation to spread, to be objective is to effectively pick a side and be labeled bias. Heads I win tails you loose. That's what happens when you have a president who calls the press the enemy of the people. There is a reason the left freaked out about that in 2016, a society that has lost it's ability to tell reality from fiction is destined to fail.
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@Greyparrot
it was the Republicans who objected to how the bill would be paid for.Weird that a party would think inflation could jeopardize their cushy government jerbz.
Funny, they didn't seem concerned about it while supporting Trump's 8 trillion in new debt.
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@SocraticGregarian96
Trump actually used the 8 trillion purposefully for stuff like the CARES Act, a Border wall, and Tax cuts, all of which helped the economy. Biden used it for stuff like the ARP act and the Jobs act, both of which were useless. Also, his massive inflation is a huge attribution to the debt.
Can you please explain what Biden did to cause inflation?
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@WyIted
seeing as how the media lies about him, which is enough in my opinion to get me to vote for him
The irony of hating the media for lying about the most prolific liar we have ever seen in American politics is insane.
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@SocraticGregarian96
after their policies have been implemented, we will have US citizens with none or almost no power (they will have no guns and no right to capitalistic liberty) and we will have 10’s of millions of illegals all voting blue. (we already have them here we just are not sure how many are voting) We will be a wasteland for all illegal aliens and we will racket up the debt, and probably have a second great depression. This will all take place under the guise of “democracy"Drugs, crime and abortion will kill your children. If they do survive, they will be consumed by the woke mind virus, their votes already bought and paid for.
I would ask you if this is satirical but your follow up posts make clear that you are really serious.
One would think after hearing all of the same garbage in 2020 and none of it remotely coming to pass that people would learn. It's no wonder people vote for Trump.
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@WyIted
America will enter a great depression if Trump loses, so not exactly something to celebrate
Just like we did after 2020
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@Best.Korea
People prefer to believe in lies that agree with their views.It is the law of no interest to oppose.
It's the fundamental problem with our society and a prominent feature of the MAGA cult; convenience over reality
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@WyIted
What bothers me is that about half the country is dumb enough to believe that.wow, you really think the people listed are republicans. LOL
What is wrong with your brain? Why does it work like that?
All I implied was that the descriptions of the left we not accurate. That does not lead to "dUh then he must have been talking about republicans".
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@Mharman
Oh boy, another witch hunt
They sure seem to find a lot of witches, which is far more than we can say about the Hunter Biden investigations.
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@Greyparrot
Why is the default position to trust unaccountable unelected bureaucrats?
No one said anything like this. If you're going to comment on my posts I would appreciate if you'd read it first.
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@WyIted
Pink haired marxists, looters, perverts, flag burners, Hamas supporters, drug dealers, gun grabbers, and human traffickersdoes it bother you that these are accurate descriptions of about 90% of Democrats?
What bothers me is that about half the country is dumb enough to believe that.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
And? You want a political reporter to be ignorant of politics?
Thanksgiving 2016 I was asked what I thought about Trump's election victory. I told my mother and sister that out of the plethora of reasons to be concerned my biggest was the fact that he is a conspiracy theorist. For obvious reasons we wouldn't want the man making the most consequential decisions in our society to be someone incapable of telling the difference between fiction and real life, but there was another reason this concerned me; because people follow the lead of the person running the country.
Trump's embrace of breathtakingly stupid ideas has a real world impact, which is that it creates a permission structure for people who are too lazy to learn critical thinking to accept those ideas because they are convenient. The idea that expertise itself has no real value or that being an expert somehow makes you less trustworthy to speak on the topic you are an expert in is among the stupidest that he has managed to spread to half the country.
To be fair, there has been anti expertise element within the political right for some time now, but at least then people making such stupid arguments felt pressured to justify them, which they could never do. What Trump brought into the mainstream is the thought terminating cliche, where all they have to do is utter a word or phrase and in their minds they won the argument. Don't like what's being reported? Fake news. Trump's own government agencies are warning us that his ideas are dangerous? Deep state. It's all just a convenient excuse structure to never have to confront the absurdity of what they're supporting. Unfalsifiablility is bliss.
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@ADreamOfLiberty
Double R does love to trust the experts (expertise determined by him).
Determining whether someone has experience and credentials is not rocket science
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@Greyparrot
Kamala is adopting Trump's policies
Then you have no reason to vote for Trump
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@Greyparrot
It's so entertaining watching the right scramble to find something to attack. Good luck with whatever you're talking about here.
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@Greyparrot
Doesn't matter what tribe you think they are in.
You're the one who brought it up
Asking the government to report on itself is like asking criminals to police themselves....
MSNBC is not the government.
It's troubling enough when former government employees secure top lobbying positions, but when they are paid to distort or suppress the truth regarding the government, it constitutes serious civic malfeasance.
You have an active imagination.
There is nothing suspicious about the idea that news organizations whose job it is to report facts would turn to people with experience in the fields they are reporting on. It's common sense actually. If I want to know more about the economy, I would turn to an economist. If I want to know more about a judicial ruling, I'd turn to an attorney. If I want to know what is happening in the government, I would turn to someone who used to work in the government. Or, if I'm just trying to confirm everything I already believe, I'll turn to a podcaster who has no background in anything.
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@Greyparrot
Media outlets (staffed with former government operatives of a single party) did exactly what medias outlets are supposed to do with it...
Right, cause Michael Steel, Nicole Wallace, Joe Scarborough, Steve Schmidt etc. were all prominent democrats.
Again, anything to justify hand waiving away anything you don't like. The intellectual dishonesty is striking.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
What I find most remarkable about him is how brazen of a hypocrite he is. All that talk about free speech absolutism yet he bans people regularly for expressing left wing views. And if god forbid you say something mean about him, oh then you're definitely getting banned.
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Over the weekend Trump had quite the breakdown, but the funniest thing to me is the insults he spews regularly towards Harris supporters. As CNN's Steve Contorno noted, these insults included "Pink haired marxists, looters, perverts, flag burners, Hamas supporters, drug dealers, gun grabbers, and human traffickers".
Well, at least he didn't call them deplorables, cause then they would have been so offended they would still be talking about it 9 years later.
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@Greyparrot
There's no evidence that Donald Trump took a $10 million bribe from Egypt in 2016.
There's certainly enough evidence to put two and two together, which is a lot more than we can say about Joe and Hunter Biden but that hasn't stopped republicans in the house from wasting an entire term on it.
To be clear, no one is saying this difinitively as if it has been proven, the problem is that it is definitely worth looking into but the attorney general that Trump hand picked to act as his personal attorney inexplicably made this disappear. If the shoe were on the other foot you and all your ilk would have collectively lost your minds.
Maybe if WAPO and MSDNC didn't blow their credibility on other "big lies" like grabbing steering wheels, calling troops suckers, grabbing pussies, calling KKK fine people, and injecting bleach....
Yep, exactly. Shortly after Donald Trump started his 2016 campaign he was asked in a private conversation with a reporter why he called the press the enemy of the people. He told her flat out that he does it because that way when they write negative stories about him no one would believe them. Not exactly a ground breaking revelation but jarring to know he admitted it out loud. What's even more jarring is to watch how easily it worked.
Just look at your first example... Grabbing steering wheels? That was a second hand story told by a former Trump aid under oath. Media outlets did exactly what medias outlets are supposed to do with it... They reported on it. To claim that as a reason to doubt their credibility is just stupid. And even worse is adding calling troops suckers to that list because that did happen and the grabbing pussies admission came out of his own mouth.
The other two examples don't support your point either, but that's all besides the point. It's all a demonstration of why you believe the silly things you do. You are impervious to any information that conflicts with your world view and you've created a system by which you could insolate yourself by hand waiving away anything that comes from any of the networks who would dare say something bad about the cult leader.
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@Greyparrot
Which is exactly why Bill Barr covered the whole thing up.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Right, military aid is the same as taking a bribe to be used in a campaign.
Actually, the $10 million donation to his campaign was structured as a loan which the campaign paid back.
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@Greyparrot
After paying hundreds of billions to Ukraine and Israel, the public wont care about chump change.
Appealing to what people who are equally as ignorant and/or as much of a partisan hack as yourself is not an argument.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
Imagine being such a moron you get your worldview from a loser wearing a beanie indoors all the time.
The stupidity of the people he links us to repeatedly explains so much.
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@Greyparrot
Why is the dick chopping party obsessed over destroying parental care? It's so weird.
Did you even read a single link you provided?
Not a single one has anything to do with dick chopping, and the worst most representative link you provided has to do with schools not being allowed to tell parents what pronouns their kids prefer. I don't think I agree with CA's policy on that, but it's insane how many times right wingers bring this up. Do you seriously have nothing better to do with yourselves and nothing more important to voter for?
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@Greyparrot
It's just a continuing campaign strategy. When attacks on the man fail, attack the supporters.
The fact that the MAGA base is so sensitive to being attacked that they will base their entire politics on it goes to show that the whole snowflake thing is pure projection.
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@Greyparrot
Not "people," but the force of the government mandating that parents be excluded from the dick chopping process.
Which might be a legitimate point of it were not completely made up.
Like I said, it's just weird. And you guys only make it weirder when you try to justify it with made up nonsense, all that does is make it even clearer that you don't in fact have any good reason for your apparent obsession.
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@Greyparrot
I suppose another round of "basket of weird deplorables" or "not a human being" has enough steam for a sequel. Let's see if Hillary's famous strategy pays off for the blue crowd.
lol
I always find it amusing what snowflakes Trump supporters are. Hilary made this one comment one time and 9 years later they're still talking about it. Wow.
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