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@Harikrish
Are you serious? Are you oppening your shame dtox center again
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MY TWO OTHER NOMINATIONS
Rational Madman
Debateart
This people are bloody legends, though I dont like one of them, im not denying how much of a legend he is, its like As a red sox fan you hate A-Rod byt recongize hes pretty good
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@bmdrocks21
Why can't two Asian's have a white baby? Because two Wongs don't make a white!
Why does Beyonce sing 'to the left, to the left'? Cause women don't have rights!!
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It's not about that. The winner is not at all necessarily the best debater (though that can play into it) it's about reputation and status in the community.
You think 50 year olds care?
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@secularmerlin
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Do you think a certain maturity comes with age that informs one that 'winning' a popularity contest on a site designed to exchange arguments does not actually add any weight to your arguments?
Its exactly what it is, with age people stop caring about what other people think
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good game
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Wow what a week, jest beating the cowboys,woo!
Although my mind is on MLB playoofs rn
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Wisdom-of-ages-62
Ethang5-57
janesix-44
3Rural-47
Harikrish-46
Meanwhile, all other forums including politics and the main one are much younger, the average age I say anywhere else is 25, meanwhile here the regular posters are 47-52 years old
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It will never happen, this forums average age is much, much older than the rest of the website, I say the average user in the Religion forum is 45.
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Deb-8-a-Bull-41
The politics froum is much younger, with Imabnech and bmd being in their 20's
Boomers and Gen X who dominate this forum will stick to what they like. They like to stay here, leave them alone
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I have no threads to nominate EXCPET ONE
RM's goodbye
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For Debates, its the climate change and capitalism one between uther penguin and RM
Also Firing squad VS. Nitrogen gas
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@Speedrace
Im so sorry a family emergency came up just today, I wont be active for a while
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Resolved: The Main Stream Media has been dishonestly covering The Syrian Civil war and the Middle East turmoil thus leading to an American failure of Foreign Policy.
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I agree with you that Syria is screwed as long as the war continues and that Turkey can go fuck a duck, but with both the Iranians and the Russians willing to prop up Assad at all costs (Assad is close friends with Iran and Russia's number 1 weapons buyer is Syria) there's not much we can do to resolve the situation short of a full on intervention which a vast majority of Americans just dont want to commit to.
We have all of Northern Syria with the Kurds. Surely a ceasefire can only come out if foreign powers back up a fraction, it would be risky for either side to attack then
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Assad never did the chemical attack and the war crimes are exaggerated
This is why Americas foregn policy has been failing every time since Clinton, because of the media and the politicicns believe it!
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@RM
Obama's Solution: Let it happen and do nothing about it
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I am very frustrated at this idea, America needs a presence, there will be no peace otherwise, We don't need to attack, we just need to be there so we don't get an attack, THIS IS WHY TURKEY IS INVADING.
It leaves me sick in my stomach that AGAIN another country is getting fucked up because of Americans pulling out, In Iraq it lead to ISIS, In Afganistan, it leads to the 2nd rise in the Taliban. We need to stop this. Stay in Syria, make peace, reach an agreement and for god's sake, let Assad win. He is the best choice between him and the rebels. Al-Nusra Front has decimated Syria, burned Aleppo, Beheaded children, t=and the media goes along with it, remember the Aleppo boy who was covered in dust, well his father was an ASSAD supporter, also a girl running through the war-torn city was taken from a MUSIC VIDEO. Assad and Russia will win, so let them.
No country in the Middle East is worth allying with at the moment and havent been for at least 10 to 20 years now, either because of instability, inherent corruption, or both.
I disagree, Suadi may be corrupt, but a massive crucial ally, We also need Kuwait and I also think that Iraq has good intentions. Afganistan government is something we need, fuck Pakistan so we can be allies with India.
- Iraq is basically an Iranian satellite state
I disagree with 100%. Iran has corrupted that country more than us. The new Iraq government is awake. They realize that Iran funded groups to destabilize them, they understand they just want power, sure we invaded them but Saddam Hussien is not a hero anymore and the younger generations realize that. I think Iraq is a HUGE buffer state WE NEED.
I love posts like these!
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Pitiful
Dumbass Turkey is supporting the rebels who btw are TERRORISTS
By pulling out of Syria we pretty much fuck the Kurds.
Exactly, why would we reset 4 years of progress just for Russia and Assad to eat it up!, it makes no sense, we NEED a presence there so we can have an agreemne,t the rebels will lose Idlib and Assad will win,it will be the turkish backed rebels and the American backed kurds, with foreign powers eyeing eachother, an agreement would come.
So we fucked that up
"Turkish-backed jihadists are attacking the Syrian Democratic Forces north of Manbij"
Are we gonna do anything about it? I mean Turkey sucks, Erdogan is a dictator and they repeatedly helped isis. I mean honestly how many times before we have to let Turkey go
Fuck Turkey
What a bad move, the WAR IS NOT OVER, IT WILL NEVER BE OVER, modern wars don't end, a war ends when an idea has been destroyed, WW2 ended because Nazism as an idea fell. Modern day ideas never get smashed because of the Internet and globalizaion. The truth is SYRIA is stuck ina hell-hole until a compromise, we dont get that compromise if we pull out of Syria.
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(IFF) abortion = murder (THEN) miscarriage = manslaughter
Youve lost all credit
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No, they are just people. There are alot of victims of gun crimes who are not criminals. You could save thousands of lives per year by enacting stricter gun laws. If something is killing that many people, then it seems pretty toxic to me.
Again car and motorcycle culture must be toxic then because it kills people, your measuring of how a certain culture is toxic is wrong, the gun culture does not include criminals who shoot victims, it includes gun owners,airsoft,militas,etc.
I'm not certain what you are trying to say. The statistics say gun crimes are way down, so obviously they are not unchanged. You are comparing percentages of where burglaries take place. Maybe american burglars just prefer breaking into businesses. This doesn't support your argument as far as I can tell.
What statistics, sure it might be down now but it doubled during the 2000's and in the last 100 years the gun crime rate hasn't changed, it proven to be an ineffective gun ban as always.
Here is an article about why the statistics you are trying to use are not helpful. Basically they changed how they counted violent crimes. The year they made the change there was a huge spike because crimes that previously wouldn't have been counted were now being counted. So trying to compare stats from before 2003 to stats in the few years following is completely useless and intentionally misleading. In the article you provided, the conservatives were intentionally using this change to the statistics to sell the narrative that there was a huge crime wave.
How so? The stats don't lie, banning guns is not effective, it has happened in the states, Mexico,Nazi Germany, North Korea and so many more examples. "The year they made the change there was a huge spike because crimes that previously wouldn't have been counted were now being counted." How do you know that, reports about the crime rates surging came out in 2006 and 09. Clearly your lying and dont want to admit that Bristains gun ban was bad.
My point is that they aren't even the highest in western Europe, let alone all of Europe as you had claimed. If you are meaning because of the changes to the stats in 2003, then I have already addressed that. If you mean between 2003 and now then the stats do not support your assertion.
I mean violent crime and yes it is true, the fact of the matter is that Britain is not safe anymore. Terrorism, knife deaths, violent crime and illegal snuffling of guns. Britain is a shit hole, it is now officially Londonstan
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It literally killing 10's of thousands of people. If that is what you consider least toxic, i'm really not sure what your metric is. How many people have to die before you consider something "toxic"?
Those are criminals, they are just thousands of criminals while over 100 million gun owners, Gun culture is not toxic when compared to politics or celebrity shit.
So britain is slightly higher than average in the EU. But most of the EU also have gun control. They are still way, way, below the US rate. Your claim was "Fact: Since gun banning has escalated in the UK, The rate of crime " especially violent crime " has risen." but this source does not prove that. It says they have gone up lately. And, as I said, they have gone up since 2014. but they are still well down from when they banned guns, so your "fact" would still appear to be untrue.
But Britons gun control has been proven to be unchanged after and before the gun ban, plus in-home bulgurlys are 60% of all bulguries in the Uk will they only account fro 13% of bulgaries in the U.S, clearly there is a link between guns and violent crime because guns stop 8 to 10x thimes more violent crimes.
Please try to remain civil. If I have misread or misunderstood, please clarify. What exactly have I misunderstood? Gun crimes are significantly lower today than they were 2002. Are you attempting to say that gun crimes doubled between 1997 and 2007 (ie the decade after guns were banned)? This does not appear to be true. I would like to understand what you are arguing has occurred.
In the decade, the 2000's lets take a look at it, https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/law-and-order/6438601/Gun-crime-doubles-in-a-decade.html
"Offences involving firearms have increased in all but four police areas in England and Wales since 1998, figures obtained by the Tories reveal.
One part of the country has seen the problem increase almost seven fold as the availability of guns, and criminals' williness to use them rises.
The number of people injured or killed by a gun has also doubled under Labour.
It emerged last week that armed police are to carry out regular street patrols for the first time to help combat gun crime in London.
Chris Grayling, the shadow home secretary, said: "These figures are all the more alarming given that it is only a week since the Metropolitan Police said it was increasing regular armed patrols in some areas of the capital."
Clearly the gun ban did not work
This seems to disprove your own point. You said that they had the highest violent crime rate in Europe. but your own quote says Belgium and France's are higher. Please note that also says specifically "western" europe. It isn't clear which countries are not being included in that. A previous statistic you provided said that they were only slightly above average so that would lead me to believe that there are other eastern european countries that would also be higher.
Look at a map, what do you think western europe is, anyway It is homicides, but it was violent crime where britain is up
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@billbatard
yeah and uk crime rates up!
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@HistoryBuff
Already destroyed
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And part of the US culture is glorifying guns and gun ownership. perhaps you need to change that part of your culture. Common sense gun laws would be a very good start.
Thats a problem? Gun culture is the least toxic culture here in America
Where did you get this? I can't seem to find definitive numbers. But the stats I do see say the high point of their crime was in 1995, just before they banned guns, and have been in decline ever since. If you have other stats please provide them.
Britain Violent Crime
and a little more than the EU average (123). The homicide rate in the UK was 1.2 per 100,000 in 2016 the highest rate in Western Europe outside of Belgium and France. The homicide rate in England and Wales increased 39% from the 38 year low of 0.89 per 100,000 in 2015 to a decade high of 1.23 per 100,000 in 2018.
This doesn't appear to be true. Here is a link showing that gun crime, while up since 2014, is significantly down since the early 2000s.
IN THE DECADE IT WAS BANNED: learn to read.
Again, I'm pretty sure this isn't true. Please provide sourcing.
Fine,
the homicide rate in the UK was 1.2 per 100,000 in 2016 the highest rate in Western Europe outside of Belgium and France.
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