Dr.Franklin

Another thought: NATO didn't even have the stomach to continue fighting in Afghanistan against a ragtag collection of terrorists who didn't even have tanks or aircraft, let alone nuclear weapons. What in the world makes you think they are a military threat to Russia?

Nobody understands my position better than the Russian people themselves.  Yes they lost 9 million lives to oust the last Czar but that was a far cheaper price to pay than allowing Stalin to remain in power- that cost them 30-50 million. 

Stalingrad remains the ultimate proof that a barely armed mass of of civilians can defeat even the largest, most modern army in the world given sufficient numbers and the will to change world history.

  Russians know how to do this- better than most.  They've done it quite violently, they've done it quite peacefully.  I am confident that the Russian people can and would and should take back their country right now.

I think this is the point you are missing. Dictatorship, invasion, and oppression aren't the unsavory tools being used by someone with an otherwise good ideology.

They are Putin's ideology. Putin doesn't care about gay people or Christianity.

He only uses them to curry favor with people on the right. If he can make some people feel like he's on their side, then that weakens the political will to oppose his real ideology: a base desire for power. It's said that when someone shows you who they really are, believe them. Right now, by invading Ukraine, Putin is showing you who he really is. He is exposing his true ideology of conquest and control for all to see. I would suggest believing him.

The idea that Supa wants any of those things is hilarious. Now I'm imagining Supa waving a gay pride flag in front of a brothel in Kabul. The thought just tickles my sense of absurdity.

Why? That's a genuine question. How does Ukraine being outside of NATO help Russia? NATO isn't opposed to Russia; they are only opposed to Russian aggression. All Putin has to do is not invade other countries, and NATO won't be a threat to him. Almost every country on the face of the planet seems to be able to do just fine without invading their neighbors. Consider what would happen if someone formed an alliance to oppose Zimbabwean aggression. It wouldn't do anything to hurt Zimbabwean interests at all, because Zimbabwe isn't aggressive. The same is true of Russia and NATO. I've repeated this several times, and I plan to keep repeating it: the one and only thing that Putin has to do to keep NATO from being a threat is to not invade other countries.

Keep using your strawman's to defend your outright stupid take that you make. I don't believe that being gay is OK, but it is not my place to judge. You are justifying going to war with a whole country because Russia agrees with your ideals and you agree with killing innocent people so you can be victorious. No ideology or belief can defend killing people unless you are that of a certain country in the 1940s called Nazi Germany. No matter what, gay or straight, people shouldn't die

Just because the US does bad things doesn't mean those same things aren't bad when Russia does them.

Russia isn't defending anything. Ukraine is not a threat to them in the slightest, and the one and only thing Russia needs to do to keep NATO from being a threat is to not invade other countries. Its interests are not being threatened by the West, and especially not by Ukraine.

Um...yes. Yes, I do. Its got its flaws, but its significantly less bad than every other form of government.

Well, LGBT people aren't in the habit of starting wars, conquering their neighbors, and murdering and imprisoning the opposition, so I think Putin may be just a bit worse than them.

As a conservative, I have much more in common with Joe Biden than with Vladimir Putin. To be clear, I don't have much in common with Biden. But for all his flaws - and he has many - Biden believes in democracy and doesn't believe in unprovoked invasions. Putin actively suppresses democracy and invades without provocation. That is entirely antithetical to my values.

The other buzz word is expansionism Doc.

And then there is the phrase, ageing megalomaniac.

But what is it that I don't understand about "buffer zone" Doc?

Perhaps the U.S. should invade Northern Mexico just to be sure.

Supa’s a Neocon. Don’t be offended lol

I don't see how the US government hates you (or anyone other than itself, really), but at least you're honest.

I disagree, but even if that were the case, there is a significant difference between believing that order is more important than liberty and simply not caring about liberty.

t is quite possible that the whole Russian-Ukraine war will finish without directly impacting the lives of those who don't live in either country. So why care? Because it's the right thing to do. Murder is wrong. Unprovoked invasion is murder on a grand scale. It's true that there is little that you and I can do about it. However, that doesn't mean that we shouldn't care. It is often tempting to sacrifice our principles to our self-interest, but if we do, we will find ourselves on a dangerous path. We may not see it at first, but we won't like where we end up.

You also said that you prefer an orderly society, Putin thinks you are full of shit on that as well by the way.

I agree with you, but Putin thinks you're full of shit.

dont let your anger towards our disgusting ruling class turn pathological. Putin has started a war and because of that many many people are going to die. Russia is not a beacon of traditionalism, it’s a pathetic shithole ruled by oligarchs even more corrupt than ours, and while we obviously shouldn’t get involved militarily this isn’t something to celebrate 

And just when I was about to get back on this site ...

This comment goes against democracy (which the Ukraine is), against an international treaty that Russia swore to uphold, against decency and against what the Ukrainians WANT FOR THEMSELVES!

Over 90% of their country voted to become a democracy, to become independent. That is 44 million people who DO NOT WANT a dictator telling them what to do.

I am not a regular here, so I can say this.

ANYONE WHO SIDES WITH OUR LONG-TIME ENEMY, PUTIN, OVER A DEMOCRATIC NATION IS A TRAITOR.

If I get banned for this, I get banned. Democracy is WORTH IT!

I have a question to ask about this, and I promise that I am being sincere here. I'm not being snarky or sarcastic.

You say that America getting humiliated is good for you. Are you anti-American?

It's not easy to trigger my complete contempt. Congratulations.

Is that a good thing or a bad thing?

This beats the Statue of liberty for sure.

LOL.

How big is a buffer zone Doc?

Russia is the largest country in the World.

Don't they have enough room, to be able to create their own buffer zone?

Why do they need a bit of the Ukraine?

Where will they want a bit of next?

You heard the Russian buzz phrase "buffer zone" on TV, didn't you?

You old commie Doc.

By that reasoning Mexico should get Texas back if they really want it and France should get Louisiana back if they really want it. Simply because you don't like the Constitution.

I have more respect for Putin than I do Biden. Does anyone really think Biden is even a intellectual match to Putin. Biden is a feckless loser. Putin is ten steps ahead of Biden. Anything Biden does was already thought of and planned for. Biden and all who follow his ideology are  as predictable as the sun coming up in the morning. Biden will do nothing, his stupid sanctions are meaningless and only hurt everyone else but Putin. I will suffer because of Biden's stupidity and incompetence, Not Putin. Putin knows this. Biden is the best thing to ever happen to Putin. Biden will just take America down another rung in the shithole of oblivion.

You're supporting the big bad thug who is gonna probably win anyway and is bullying Ukraine.

You are so uneducated on the matter that you think this is about Crimea anymore.

I have no idea what your trauma about porn is, but I'd guess small penis. 

Very obviously the positive effect of pornography and video games.