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@TheUnderdog
then conservatives would be pro open borders(Exodus 12:49, Exodus 22:21)
Lmao no, you should actually pick up the Bible and read it. Israel makes war with many groups and keeps a homogenous community. Samson the Danite is condemned for marrying outside of Israeli stock. No need to twist common hospitality into open borders, where large swaths of people who cant't uphold the nation's economy, culture, and prosperity invade and destroy the country.
and socialism(Luke 18:22).
They used to. Catholics and to a small extent, dixiecrats, were in favor of unions but remained very conservative socially. Look up distributism, the ideology created by Pope Leo XIII to instill a collectivist Catholic ideology. Methodists were the foundation of the UK Labor Party.
The conservative as well as Libertarian today is in favor of plutocracy, not Capitalism. Capitalism rests on capital. Capital used to be defined traditionally as the usage of labor, resources, etc to create a good without government restrictions. This was all to restrict the influence of the central bank and to keep prices as the lowest it can be. Money wasn't the end all be all. Practices like Usury, unfair wages, etc were discouraged to keep the traditional societal order in place and lead to wealth for all people. But with a plutocracy, usury is everywhere, employers no longer feel obligated to pair fair wages, large corporations basically own the country.
If Adam Smith existed today, he would be branded as a Socialist. His book critiqued the government's practices of enclosure and ensuring large landlords kept control over the economy. It was a direct response to British policy best exemplified in laws like the corn laws, which artificially kept prices high to protect large landlords and screw over the population. He wanted the economy upheld by the people to keep food prices low and demanded that the rich be loyal to the country.
This isn't what capitalism is today. We seem to think that capitalism=private companies but that wasn't always the case. In fact, a lot of it was actually collectivist.
If there are any bible verses contradicting this, then the bible contains contradictions and can't be trusted.
Of course there isn't. The Bible is clear on it's morality.
If there are no bible verses contradicting this, then this is the word of God that a consistent and pricnipled theocrat ought to agree with.
True, which is why Catholics are so charitable
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@Tradesecret
Not the Romans nor the Greeks - but the Jewish society did
Don't believe gay lies. Ancient Greece had a small time period where homosexuality was active but was quickly repressed after Augustus conquered Greece.
Also what "Jewish society". Galilee was diverse at the time and had many groups. Jesus wasn't Jewish. He come from the stock of Joseph, not Judah
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@zedvictor4
We can tell
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@zedvictor4
Yeah I'm aware. It was a joke.
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If a puritan mob took over the US and established a Christian theocracy I wouldn't be mad
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@zedvictor4
not funny
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@Athias
clown world
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"new study shows that my political opponents were molested and abused as a kid"
I love Science!
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@TheUnderdog
This is inaccurate. Conservatives aren't christain theocrats.
Neoconservatives, No.
Right-wingers in general, I would say a little. It is pretty obvious that Christianity is intertwined with right-wing politics
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@Benjamin
May I challenge your view of the issue. Jesus condemned the religious hypocrities all the time, but almost never the "sinners". Those who arrogantly think themselves superior to otherss because they keep the law of God, they were the one Jesus critized the most. The Christians who are not actively witnessing their faith and dedicating their entire lives to Jesus are not acting upon their faith, their faith is indeed dead. James confirms this. Furthermore, if you really believe that you deserve hell and is only saved by grace, it would be nearly impossible to critizise others and not be a hypocrite.
Jesus forgave sinners. He didn't condone them either. The problem with LGBT is that there is no repenting for your sins. It is pride for a sin. Jesus loves sinners but he makes it clear that he wants repentance. It is not my place to say whether people deserve hell or heaven, that's up to God.
Why? Because theology deems lgbt technically sin? Do you believe that merely going to church or adding jesus on top of your everyday life makes you a better christian?
Literally Yes. Going to church and adding Jesus to your life DOES make you a better Christian. How is that even a question?
IS does not equal SHOULD BE. What justification can you bring to the table for causing depression and suicide?
There's absolutely zero justification for causing depression and suicide, especially on unsuspecting teens that LGBT feeds on. BUT, There's a reason why LGBT was looked down upon for 10,000 years. IT is a harm to society and every healthy society has kept it in check.
That is not what defines Christian society, but just the general idea of society. Christians would actually make diciples of all people, not establish punnitivie systems.
Christians would establish punitive systems. Not everyone will fit into a Christian society. The Old Testament makes punishments and laws clear.
Bullshit. I don't blame you for believing this, but you have been misled. The oldest law is Babylonian and was created two millenia before Christ.
law doesn't equate to justice. Laws have been around forever. Ancient Mesopotamia never reached the level of the west when it comes to the court system, jury, trials, cruel and unusual punishment, etc
Jesus never said anything about homosexuality, not a single quote supports your statement. Jesus said that merely being angry at your brother og looking at a woman with lust earns you hell, and that the one without sin can throw the first stone. Jesus literally pardoned a prostitute in front of the religious leaders that wanted to punish her for breaking the law of God. How do Christians still justify relentlessly attacking "sinners" when the apostles clearly demand that Christians be peacefull and overbearing, showing the love of Christ not their own bigotry and hypocrisy.
Jesus never condones homosexuality either. Nor did he null the moral laws of God which included restricting sodomy. Jesus pardoned a prostitute because she repented. Christianity is all for sinners returning to God. And yes, Christians need to be loving. We love and understand people but pride in a sin is never acceptable.
So Christians KNOW that they are killing gay people indirectly?
Nobody is killing gay people indirectly. It is their own promiscuous lifestyle.
Do they KNOW that the bible is always wrong in its cosmology?
Oh ok, so you are basically attacking Christianity from an atheist standpoint. So, you don't like Christians at all, even if some misguided ones are pro-lgbt.
Do they KNOW that there is a world out there that is destined to hell if they don't act?
What?
Do they really KNOW that Jesus says a rich man can only enter heaven with great difficulty?
Yes I wish more people realized this. Mammon is truly an evil spirit.
To me it seems the average Christian hardly knows anything even remotely important about science or Jesus's commands --- or if they do they are unwilling to accept or act on it.
Christianity paved the way for unprecedented science. Jesus's commands uphold the moral codes of God and most Christians act on it.
See, it isn't a coincidence that as religion is falling in the US, LGBT has increased. The two are clearly at odds with eachother and no amount of false justification of it by the Bible can change this cultural fact.
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@oromagi
English were germanic peoples, he considered the Government jewish but loved the people
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@TheUnderdog
Progressivism is a religion. The religion of conservatism is Christianity
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@16kadams
I love your pfp!
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@Incel-chud
From what I know, they believed the ancient North Indians and the Indus River Valley Civilization were whites, and that the Hindu caste system included Aryans at the top. After islamic invasions and mixing with south indians, the race got lost. Whether that's historically accurate, nobody can really tell especially with lost knowledge at the time but sanskrit is an indo-european language so :/
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@FLRW
Some of these groups—like the Irish—were sometimes grouped with African Americans
No they were not grouped with African Americans. They were only hated because they were Catholic and perceived as a threat to religious liberty. The US was culturally low church Anglican. But, everyone considered them "white".
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@oromagi
and French, Spanish, Italians, Russians, Serbs, Czechs, and English
No, he very much loved the English.
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@RationalMadman
Exactly, the closest race to Aryans are Persians in Iran and some Indians (especially Punjabs).
Cyrus the Great, a great white king and Christian Prophet!
This is true btw, he was Mediterranean.
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@Benjamin
Allow me to summarize:
- Everyone is sinfull. The type of sin is irrelevant to God, nobody is better than anyone else.
Yes, everyone is sinful but some people are most certainly better than others. And, the type of sin does matter. I'm willing to bargain that lying about eating cookies is better than murder.
- Your prayers will heal people consistently if you are actually righteous
- God demands the avoidance of anger and verbal attacks -- he demands one is always gentle, peacefull and open to reason.
All valid. But he demands people are open to God's reason. Not human reason.
- If you do not actively help the weakest in society it shows that your faith is worthless and that you won't go to heaven.
Define weakness. It is important for society to take care of the meek and elderly but twisting the definition of the weak to include sodomites would be incorrect.
This is confirmed by the savior himself. Jesus is written to have called for his diciples to take the gospel around the world, to heal the sick, sell their possesions, give to the poor. He said the one not willing to leave family behind and die for his cause was not worthy to be his diciple. Meanwhile, the average christian critic of LGBT+ is a selfish westerner who barely believes in --- far less follows --- the teachings of Messiah. The prayers of these people are not answered and any critique of others they make based on the Bible is both logically fallacious and utterly hypocritical. Their own salavation is highly dubious at best, and they certainly cannot claim any moral highground.
Jesus was a righteous figure who preached for the sick and the poor. But if you think that this teaching nulled the moral codes of God you are surely mistaken. Jesus is disgusted by sin and it is still clearly condemned. 1 John 1:9, Romans 6:23, Acts 2:38. As for the "selfish westerner" claim, I'm willing to bargain that the average anti-lgbt Christian is a better Christian than a pro-lgbt one. The anti-lgbt probably goes to church more, probably prays more and relates Christ to everyday life.
If you reject the scientific literature about genetic basis for LGBT+,
Where is the gay gene? Nobody can find it.
the biblical narrative itsell will still affirms that all people are born sinfull and incapable of following God's standard. Even if the omnibenevolent entitiy called God abhors the genetic traits of a person he himself designed perfectly, it still makes no difference. Jesus tells us that the one without sin can cast the first stone -- which means nobody is entitled to downtroding others even if they are hopeless sinners. The fact that ignorant christians are murdering large percentages of LGBT+ people through their unethical words and actions, is astonishing.
Nobody is perfect and everyone is born with original sin and vice. This is correct but unforgiving and extreme sinners have been downtroded by society since...well forever and many people are entitled to downtrode on criminals and other sinners. It's why laws exist and judges exist. It's why churches and the clergy exists, it's why parental laws exist to ensure children don't become extreme sinners. This is what Christian society is set up to do. To uphold institutions that ensure good communal living for all members while punishing those who harm the community.
What is the difference between throwing literal stones or verbal stones when the end result is the same: extreme pain and eventual death. Answer: ignorance. Christians are ignorant of their own footprint, of science, justice, ethics and even the values and expectations of their own savior. Just like in the middle ages.
No, Christians are not ignorant. Science has been rapidly progressed by Christianity for a while. A priest made the Big Bang Theory. Western civilization literally created the idea of justice. Christian ethics are what built western civilization. The values and expectations of Christ are met when homosexuality is discouraged.
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@Bones
I don't debate anymore, I don't have the time. You can tell by the amount of time that I actually spend the website now-a-days
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@Bones
you did not rebuttal my argument. explain how the problem of evil is sound
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@zedvictor4
they have good reason, the deaths from ww1, Russian civil war, bolshevik dictatorship, and ww2 was the biggest cataclysm to Russia since the Mongol Invasions 700 years earlier, and will probably take the same amount of time for the phycological damage to heal. 200 years
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@oromagi
Nothing that we do will stop Russian interests. They lost over 20 million people in WW2 and for the past 80 years they have been trying to create buffers away from Moscow to make sure this psychological scar never happens again to them and they are never directly invaded by a force
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@oromagi
I'm not exactly in favor of Putin. I just don't think we should get involved. The whole thing is way to overhyped. Even the Ukrainian president told Biden to calm down and stop inciting tensions. Boris Johnson says Russian Mother's sons will not come home. Why are western leaders saying that?
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@RationalMadman
That is because China is in control of their respective entertainment industries
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@Solaris_01
I'm sure you can find something neurological about it
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@TheUnderdog
unfortunately not a single government policy will solve any of these issues. It all stems in the people. If the people are moral, Christian, and god-fearing then these problems will sort itself out. Single motherhood? No amount of politicians can solve that. That is based on the society that promotes family and Christian values. "lets reform education". Again, if the population had a focus on education as a core value then we wouldn't go from 1st in math and reading in 1950 to well behind many countries now. "let's increase taxes on the rich". Again, this wouldn't be a problem if the rich had some fucking loyalty to their communities and the society stressed fair wages. Henry Ford created the middle class and raised wages because he was a Christian who believed in the Christian value of paying fair wages(1 Timothy 5:18). Again, no government interference was needed here as the population was Christian and moral. BUT if the population isn't, then the government needs to step in somehow.
This quote comes to mind "Our Constitution was made only for a moral and religious people. It is wholly inadequate to the government of any other."-John Adams
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@Greyparrot
A combination of demographic changes, progressive rule, and being the center for cultural liberalism will do that.
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@Bones
Want to debate?
- God gives us free will, because free will is inherently good.
- Free will entails the possibility of doing what is contrary to God's will (this is what we know as evil).
- Thus, evil exists, because of man's actions, rather than because of God.
very basic
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@Bones
Yes it has
and btw, Polytheist witch had every right to be rude as this was a retarded question.
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@Intelligence_06
I am in favor of an one-party state. It has proven to be much more effective
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My guess is they are trying to flip those states blue.
You might be on to something there...
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@Lunar108
if bad thing, why doesn't do anything about it
The Problem of Evil has been debunked trillions of times. Next
The Problem of Evil has been debunked trillions of times. Next
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@Tejretics
@Wylted
You guys might find this article interesting, as well as the whole website.
"So we won’t experience 100 years of progress in the 21st century — it will be more like 20,000 years of progress"
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@RationalMadman
Replace 'selfless' with 'selfish and impulsive' and you've described the right-wing Libertarian agenda very well indeed.
Of course, libertarians are liberal. Which is why, I am not a libertarian
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@Bones
Creationists believe things which are contrary to evidence. Witchcraft does the same. What is relatively a new phenomenon? Creationism?
That is a very broad and weird definition. Everybody can say that a groups acts against evidence
Witchcraft and Creationism are absolutely not the same.
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@thett3
This goes back to what I've noted in other posts, that the fundamental impulse that drives leftist politics is the desire to free mankind from all social constraints and obligations not chosen.
Bingo, you get it. The entire ideology is based on liberating(where liberalism is derived from) the individual. It strives for everyone to be mindless selfless Neanderthals with no purpose in life other than their basic animalistic desires. Which is why it continuously attacks the fundamentals of religion, sex differences, etc.
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@Bones
- Creationism should be taught in history or like witchcraft.
Witchcraft and creationism are at the opposite ends of the spectrum. Also, what do you mean by "in history". It's a relatively new phenomenon.
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