Dr.Franklin

true

special pleading to what>

we tested protons and electrons, boooom

HAHAHAHAH

what are the p[roblems  with anselms argument

There is transhumanism, but not God or Trump

The third argument for God, a philosophical argument, is the Ontological Argument first written up by Saint Anselm in the 11th Century. It follows like this:
 
1. It is possible that a maximally great being exists.
2. If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great exists in some possible world.
3. If a maximally great exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.
4. If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world.
5. If a maximally great exists in the actual world, then a maximally great being exists.
6. Therefore, a maximally great being exists.
This argument is very simple and true. If an MGB(Maximally Great Being) could exist, then an MGB would have to exist because it is maximally great. The MGB here is God. Let’s go through this argument with each premise.
First, it is certainly possible that an MGB could exist. An MGB would have to be all-knowing, all-powerful and morally perfect. However, only a maximally great being could exist instead of a maximally great pizza for example because it is an object and objects have no intrinsic value to rank it whether it is great or not. With a being who has a soul and a state of mind, we can conclude that it is maximally great. It is the greatest being ever. Next, if it is possible that an MGB exists then it has to be in a possible world. A possible world meaning any other world that includes different things that is logically coherent. A unicorn or a leprechaun exists in a possible world because it could exist. However, a Married Bachelor or a circle does not have pi as the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter.

We know an MGB could exist and is logically coherent, then it has to exist in every possible world. To illustrate this,let’s say we have 100 possible worlds. It is better to be in 56 of those 100 possible worlds than 14. It is better to be in more possible worlds than not. So, a maximally great being would have to maximally great in the fact that it exists in every possible world. Now, if God existed in every possible world, it would logically follow that God, an MGB, would exist in the actual world. Finally, if God existed in the actual world, it would exist now. God exists. 
God is then defined as a necessary being then. In Philosophy, there are 3 different types of beings:
1.Contingent being: A being that could exist, but may not necessarily exist (such as a unicorn) 
2. Impossible being: A being that is impossible, such as an invisible pink unicorn or a married bachelor. 
3. Necessary being: A being who exists necessarily and whose non-existence is impossible (such as numbers, logic, etc). 
God is a Necessary being because, in order to be maximally great, it has to be necessary. It is not an MGB if it is impossible to be formed or a Contingent being that could exist. Follow logically, and if an MGB could exist, which is most certainly can, then it has to exist.

This argument only applies to God. If you were to say that a maximally great pen could exist then it has to exist, couldn’t you say that anything in your imagination could exist? No, there are no definitions that could define a maximally great pen or cheeseburger, but there are real parameters for a MGB. However, even a pen could not be maximally great in the first place even if it was defined. You could always find a better pen and if you try to Think of the best possible pen, you can always think of one which is better. Until, eventually, you arrive at an all-powerful, all-knowing, all good, sentient pen which can change its form if desired and only appear to those it seems fit, etc, etc etc. in other words, you get God, choosing to take the form of a pen. Yet, if the pen was all-powerful and all-knowing and all good, and capable of taking any form, the question remains why it should stay a pen. God exists because of this classic 942-year-old argument.{LINK}

I wrote that

The third argument for God, a philosophical argument, is the Ontological Argument first written up by Saint Anselm in the 11th Century. It follows like this:
 
1. It is possible that a maximally great being exists.
2. If it is possible that a maximally great being exists, then a maximally great exists in some possible world.
3. If a maximally great exists in some possible world, then it exists in every possible world.
4. If a maximally great being exists in every possible world, then it exists in the actual world.
5. If a maximally great exists in the actual world, then a maximally great being exists.
6. Therefore, a maximally great being exists.
This argument is very simple and true. If an MGB(Maximally Great Being) could exist, then an MGB would have to exist because it is maximally great. The MGB here is God. Let’s go through this argument with each premise.
First, it is certainly possible that an MGB could exist. An MGB would have to be all-knowing, all-powerful and morally perfect. However, only a maximally great being could exist instead of a maximally great pizza for example because it is an object and objects have no intrinsic value to rank it whether it is great or not. With a being who has a soul and a state of mind, we can conclude that it is maximally great. It is the greatest being ever. Next, if it is possible that a MGB exists then it has to be in a possible world. A possible world meaning any other world that includes different things that is logically coherent. A unicorn or a leprechaun exists in a possible world because it could exist. However, a Married Bachelor or a circle does not have pi as the ratio of a circle's circumference to its diameter.

We know an MGB could exist and is logically coherent, then it has to exist in every possible world. To illustrate this,let’s say we have 100 possible worlds. It is better to be in 56 of those 100 possible worlds than 14. It is better to be in more possible worlds than not. So, a maximally great being would have to maximally great in the fact that it exists in every possible world. Now, if God existed in every possible world, it would logically follow that God, an MGB, would exist in the actual world. Finally, if God existed in the actual world, it would exist now. God exists. 
God is then defined as a necessary being then. In Philosophy, there are 3 different types of beings:
1.Contingent being: A being that could exist, but may not necessarily exist (such as a unicorn) 
2. Impossible being: A being that is impossible, such as an invisible pink unicorn or a married bachelor. 
3. Necessary being: A being who exists necessarily and whose non-existence is impossible (such as numbers, logic, etc). 
God is a Necessary being because, in order to be maximally great, it has to be necessary. It is not an MGB if it is impossible to be formed or a Contingent being that could exist. Follow logically, and if an MGB could exist, which is most certainly can, then it has to exist.

This argument only applies to God. If you were to say that a maximally great pen could exist then it has to exist, couldn’t you say that anything in your imagination could exist? No, there are no definitions that could define a maximally great pen or cheeseburger, but there are real parameters for a MGB. However, even a pen could not be maximally great in the first place even if it was defined. You could always find a better pen and if you try to Think of the best possible pen, you can always think of one which is better. Until, eventually, you arrive at an all-powerful, all-knowing, all good, sentient pen which can change its form if desired and only appear to those it seems fit, etc, etc etc. in other words, you get God, choosing to take the form of a pen. Yet, if the pen was all-powerful and all-knowing and all good, and capable of taking any form, the question remains why it should stay a pen. God exists because of this classic 942-year-old argument.{LINK}

wow very much cool

Mr.oneword

what the hell

Sure, I mean WTF

well guess what, 5000000000 ubniverses dont exist because god didnt create them

do you know the odds sir

yep

Answer the question

maybe

if we are talking about theoretical possible universes, that is possible and not logically inchoerent

Snowden is a cunt

sure, whats the point

why am I agreeing with RM, it sounds horrible but it's the absolute truth

sure, the universe is made for humans, but atheists say we are just one spec

coincedence?

puddle thinking bad

+1 

i got it before 

Its because our division is ass

big brain

uhhh

why do you want to see 3 or 4 universes?

prove they are multpile universes, the BOP is on you

how so?

the measurements in my argument are precise

there is only one universe

estimations are not fact representations

how do you think the universe came to be

Life is only present here, there are no signs of ANY life anywhere EVER. The universe was designed for us becuase if the universe was designed for different life species, why dont we see them and why is it just us>

Above

after a heated debate, I love a good shitpost from Pie and Supa

if the ratio of prots and electrosn were 1 ratio point off,

the universe would not exist

good game to you too sir

WTF

No it is not

No it is not

nice try dustryder, no one is falliign for what you said

Also, it's next because I am working on something very special for this forum

I can't believe this is how I am spending my Christmas vacation

apparently dart does a terrible job of recognizing number lists from google docs

Next, one of the obvious complex designs we see in the universe is the fine tuning of our solar system. The universe is designed in a way for us to live to make it hard to be a coincidence. For example, the ratio of electron to proton mass is 1:1836. If the number was any larger or smaller, molecules could not form and the universe would not exist. It is incredibly lucky that the mass of protons and electrons could form molecules in the universe. Or simply, God exists. In fact, almost everything we see in the universe points to the existence of God:

1. Carbon and oxygen nuclei have finely tuned energy levels.
   

1. Electromagnetic and gravitational forces are finely tuned, so the right kind of star can be stable.
   

1. Our sun is the right colour. If it was redder or bluer, photosynthetic response would be weaker.
   

1. Our sun is also the right mass. If it was larger, its brightness would change too quickly and there would be too much high energy radiation. If it was smaller, the range of planetary distances able to support life would be too narrow; the right distance would be so close to the star that tidal forces would disrupt the planet’s rotational period. UV radiation would also be inadequate for photosynthesis.
   

1. The earth’s distance from the sun is crucial for a stable water cycle. Too far away, and most water would freeze; too close and most water would boil.
   

1. The earth’s gravity, axial tilt, rotation period, magnetic field, crust thickness, oxygen/nitrogen ratio, carbon dioxide, water vapour and ozone levels are just right.
   

Last, remarkably the sun is 400 times larger than the moon and 400 times farther away from the moon. So the moon and the sun appear almost the exact same in the sky of Earth. This is why solar and lunar eclipses exist. To conclude, the very precise measurements of what makes life compatible and what makes the universe exists is remarkably close,precise and consistent. Is this really a coincidence? No, there is no fundamental way to explain this, except that a supernatural being fine-tuned the universe.{LINK}

why is everybody in this thread banned?

not a single mod had responded