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@AngelofDeath
Probably the best candidate, but its still up in the air.
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@Polytheist-Witch
I don't really watch TV. Are there any good recent shows?
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@Buddamoose
I am thinking about running an archive.
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@Analgesic.Spectre
I mean that police would need permission to read someone's mind.
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@Buddamoose
I belive Jordan Peterson said that a lot of people would be Nazis if they were alive in those days.
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@Buddamoose
Agreed, but the most successful fascists were good orators.
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What if you have cancer or some shit?
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@Buddamoose
I hope you aren't implying that he is a fascist because of his speeches. And Fascists tend to have good public speakers.
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Will host. 5 players needed, and I can host it here.
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Will you be planning leaderboards for things like post count, debate wins, etc?
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@Castin
I'm suprised the Jedi let Anakin within 500 feet of Padme.
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@Swagnarok
Meh, I'm mostly shitposting, but Jar Jar is the Ewoks, but over three movies.
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We can play Dethy. I will host a game provided we have the players.
5 players needed.
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@Smithereens
Its something anyone even a little bit interested in philosophy would enjoy.
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@Smithereens
Do you read existentialcomics?
Lately, vidya music.
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@Danielle
I was thinking of DAC.
Im sure in time a good nickname will pop up.
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@Smithereens
Johnson is a genius?
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@Buddamoose
Dems can go left. They just need to drop the bullshit and focus on issue that matter. Things like single payer healthcare are popular enough.
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@Smithereens
That'd be sweet. But first, it needs an active base.
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@Smithereens
Pretty sure he said he'll add post counts.
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@Smithereens
I guess you can go on your profile.
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@Buddamoose
https://wiki.mafiascum.net/index.php?title=Dethy
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@Buddamoose
We can mod Dethy games
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How will the mafia game work if we don't have mass PMs?
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@DebateArt.com
Can you sticky the Guide to Forum Mafia thread in the Games forum?
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@Buddamoose
I'll go ask the dev to sticky the threads
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@Buddamoose
The dev said that we should be able to edit our posts soon, and I can just mention his name in another update.
Is there anything you want to add?
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@EtrnlVw
Actually, I thought Maul was the best PT villain, so no objection there.
I just thought it was a little boring and Anakin's and Padme's relationship was a touch creepy.
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@Buddamoose
Got the guide down just about.
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Essentially WIFOM is a type of infinite reverse psychology. Each player, whether mafia or town is playing to win and to begin with, that is all that is known. As the game progresses and you learn more and more about your opponents, you can use that knowledge to predict what they're going to do and as you get more advanced, manipulate them into doing what you want them to do.
Intimately familiarising yourself with the mechanics of the game is essential to mastering WIFOM and the best way to do that is by playing and experiencing a variety of roles.
I think the best way to look at WIFOM as a mafia technique is by giving some hypothetical examples:
EXAMPLE ONE:
Let's say that you have been given the role of bulletproof. The ideal use of the bulletproof role is to draw the mafia night kill onto yourself, thus preventing it, prolonging the game and allowing the investigative roles more time to use their roles. If you were to strongly soft-claim the doctor, you may draw the mafia kill onto you, as they will try to eliminate strong power roles first. This may backfire; by soft-claiming the doctor you might actually cause the real doctor to out themself which will being unwanted suspicion on you.
EXAMPLE TWO:
Let's say you are the doctor and someone has claimed cop. Now, it's obvious that you should protect the cop so that the mafia don't try to kill him. But, it's also obvious to the mafia that the doctor is probably going to protect the cop, so killing him would be a waste of their kill. Do you protect the cop or do you protect someone else? If the mafia do kill the cop and you are protecting someone else, you'll be considered a failure. If the mafia kill someone else and you've decided to use the WIFOM tactic of protecting someone else and there is no night kill, you'll then have a good lead on a townie, since the mafia has more than likely tried to kill that person.
EXAMPLE THREE:
Let's say you are the Godfather and thus appear innocent to investigations. Clearly it is in your best interest to be investigated by the cop and confirmed as pro-town as quickly as possible. Therefore it is best to act slightly suspicious; not enough to be lynched but enough that the cop will investigate you. It's best if you DON'T insist that the cop investigates you, because this is obviously what the Godfather wants, so being subtle is key. Purposely send out a few minor scum-tells while insisting that someone else is investigated.
EXAMPLE FOUR:
This is a real-game example of how I recently used WIFOM. Because I am generally regarded as a good player, more often than not when I am mafia I am investigated within the first one or two night phases. This is extremely problematic, so I have had to adjust my play-style to compensate for it. In a recent game I was the mafia redirector. Now my character wasn't a problem, since she was a good guy within the context of the theme, but my role was. Of course I couldn't out-right claim this, since it's an extremely anti-town role so I had to quickly come up with a fake claim. I decided to be bold and claimed ‘town bus-driver'. Now bus-driver is almost always a mafia role, but it isn't necessarily anti-town. It matched my character. Such a ‘scummy' role was a legitimate reason to claim early (much like the miller generally claims immediately). It wasn't going to be counter-claimed. Most importantly, when I was inevitably incriminated, it would allow me to say "last night I switched myself with x, so they must be guilty". Of course this didn't work, because there were too many elements involved and I was too late in the bandwagon to turn it around but it was good in theory. After I claimed and the brief discussion regarding my claim, attention toward me dissipated and I was able to play the game. It was convincing enough to have the mason recruiter target me and die in the process.
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WIFOM ("Wine in front of me"):
This is, without a doubt, my favourite aspect of the game. Named after the scene in "The Princess Bride" where the Masked Man and Vizzini (the Sicilian) play a game of wits… to the death!
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[The Man in Black and Vizzini sit across from each other at a small table. The Man in Black has poisoned one of two goblets with Iocane powder and placed them both on the table in front of him. Vizzini must use logic to deduce which goblet is poisoned]
Man in Black: All right. Where is the poison? The battle of wits has begun. It ends when you decide and we both drink, and find out who is right... and who is dead.
Vizzini: But it's so simple. All I have to do is divine from what I know of you: are you the sort of man who would put the poison into his own goblet or his enemy's? Now, a clever man would put the poison into his own goblet, because he would know that only a great fool would reach for what he was given. I am not a great fool, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But you must have known I was not a great fool, you would have counted on it, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Man in Black: You've made your decision then?
Vizzini: Not remotely. Because iocane comes from Australia, as everyone knows, and Australia is entirely peopled with criminals, and criminals are used to having people not trust them, as you are not trusted by me, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you.
Man in Black: Truly, you have a dizzying intellect.
Vizzini: Wait till I get going! Now, where was I?
Man in Black: Australia.
Vizzini: Yes, Australia. And you must have suspected I would have known the powder's origin, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Man in Black: You're just stalling now.
Vizzini: You'd like to think that, wouldn't you? You've beaten my giant, which means you're exceptionally strong, so you could've put the poison in your own goblet, trusting on your strength to save you, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of you. But, you've also bested my Spaniard, which means you must have studied, and in studying you must have learned that man is mortal, so you would have put the poison as far from yourself as possible, so I can clearly not choose the wine in front of me.
Man in Black: You're trying to trick me into giving away something. It won't work.
Vizzini: IT HAS WORKED! YOU'VE GIVEN EVERYTHING AWAY! I KNOW WHERE THE POISON IS!
Man in Black: Then make your choice.
Vizzini: I will, and I choose - What in the world can that be?
[Vizzini gestures up and away from the table. Man in Black looks. Vizzini swaps the goblets]
[Vizzini gestures up and away from the table. Man in Black looks. Vizzini swaps the goblets]
Man in Black: What? Where? I don't see anything.
Vizzini: Well, I- I could have sworn I saw something. No matter. First, let's drink. Me from my glass, and you from yours.
[Vizzini and the Man in Black drink]
Man in Black: You guessed wrong.
Vizzini: You only think I guessed wrong! That's what's so funny! I switched glasses when your back was turned! Ha ha! You fool! You fell victim to one of the classic blunders - The most famous of which is "never get involved in a land war in Asia" - but only slightly less well-known is this: "Never go against a Sicilian when death is on the line!"
[Vizzini laughs but stops suddenly, his smile frozen on his face and falls to the ground dead]
Buttercup: And to think, all that time it was your cup that was poisoned.
Man in Black: They were both poisoned. I spent the last few years building up immunity to iocane powder.
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@DebateArt.com
Can you edit my post in this thread so the below message is in the OP and not the second post?
From http://www.debate.org/forums/games/topic/17845/ I am not the original author and made minor additions.
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