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"China is not Russia, Taiwan is not Ukraine.
China is not worth pissing off for the place they call Taipei.
It is just. Not. Worth. It.
Use your head. First free North Korean slaves (yes, slaves) before grandstanding with Taiwan."
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Have you ever read the poem first they came? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/First_they_came_...
its a poem about why we need to be interventionist in foreign affairs, we must not let china invade Taiwan no matter what. America is the perfect example of why we need to be interventionists, world war II would of ended much sooner if they weren't so isolationist. The soviet union may not of got all the way to East Germany.
First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a socialist.Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a trade unionist.Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Jew.Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.
A longer version by the Holocaust Memorial Day Trust, a charity established by the British government, is as follows:[4]
First they came for the CommunistsAnd I did not speak outBecause I was not a CommunistThen they came for the SocialistsAnd I did not speak outBecause I was not a SocialistThen they came for the trade unionistsAnd I did not speak outBecause I was not a trade unionistThen they came for the JewsAnd I did not speak outBecause I was not a JewThen they came for meAnd there was no one leftTo speak out for me
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@RationalMadman
America has never permanently attempted to occupy any territories its invaded since at least the 60's. China has occupied Tibet and many other former independent nations. Can you explain why china's permanent occupation of Taiwan and Tibet would be justified while Americas temporary ones are not?
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@RationalMadman
im sure the Tibetans agree.
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@Vici
No, he's not really good for men. He says things which are false but sprinkles some things which are true in there.
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@TheUnderdog
OCED? Are you even trying to be in good faith? Americas unemployment level is compared to other comparative nations like Germany, France, and the UK. Not Greece. Greece alone automatically gives the edge substantially to America. I'm not even going to respond to the rest as I'm just bored with the conversation. It's been going on too long. But it was fun.
Freedom?
You cannot have freedom without equal opportunity. There was no choice whether i had the opportunity to go to college or not. I had to work as soon as i left school due to the economic conditions i was born in. I myself grew up in a 1 parent household.
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@TheUnderdog
I understand the need for taxes. I just don’t want an INCOME tax, a PROPERTY tax, and I don’t want taxes going to programs that subsidize the unproductive adults.
This has been empirically proven to be false. I live in the UK, and we have essentially the same unemployment rate as America. Denmark, Germany, etc. all have very similar unemployment rates compared to America, and these are nations which "subsidize" unproductive adults. Even if it were true, I think it would be worth the sacrifice just for the children of single parents who made bad decisions. What if you were a child of these single parents and couldn't go to the dentist? It's just not fair and it's not their fault. You want an actual hell scare of massive economic disparity and massive differences in average sociological outcomes based on upbringing. Key word: AVERAGE
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America is meant to be a place of freedom and equality, yet this is evidently not true through sociological statistical analysis. It's evident the average outcome of how people's lives will be is very predictable based on their fuckin zip code. This is not the place of the free. There is no equal opportunity in America. This is empirically and undeniably the case.
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Once more, it has been proven to be false over and over again that a welfare system makes a significant difference to a nations productivity.
This is why people shouldn’t have sex until they can afford a kid. I don’t even think people should date unless the goal is marraige with such a person. I know I don’t date and if a hot girl asked me out, I’d turn her down. I don’t think it should be banned because that’s too authoritarian. But I don’t think it’s smart to date and have sex until one is married and fiscally able to have a kid.
I agree that we should not have children while we are still young. Yet what conservatives fail to realise is that a thing called "sociology" exists. Through statistical analysis, we can be certain of differences in average outcomes based on upbringing and economic policy. You may escape the cycle. Yet others may not be as smart or wise as you, and these people would be in your situation if born in a better place.
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They just need a bit more of a push. Once more, we can do both systemic changes and personal responsibility at the same time. You essentially throw single mothers under the bus over one bad decision. You make them faceless. You throw their children under the bus too, for something that is not their fault, simply because you want an extra pair of shoes. The greatness of a society is shown by how it treats its weakest members. A good society helps out their brothers and sisters and doesn't leave them to drown through a lack of empathy and entitlement. We should treat others as we would want to be treated if we were them.
Even if you don't want to help single mothers because the mistake was theirs. Through doing that, you also punish a child whose fault it isn't theirs. When you're willing to pay thousands to kill people on death row or spend billions on space shit. I don't see why this is "too much for me" to make sure a kid gets a free school meal.
It doesn’t get forced on others. If you want to be lazy, that’s your right. Just don’t force a company or anybody else to pay for your laziness.
It does, though. If you get your way with the economic policies you want to implement, people who want a humble, simple life are forced into the capitalistic rat race simply to survive. As you said, only 1% of Americans work a minimum wage job. This is 7% where I live, and this is because our minimum wage is generally more livable. This allows less competitive, peaceful people to have a humble life. What's wrong with that?
The living wage necessary in America is usually around $14 an hour. This is double your minimum wage. In the UK, where I live, the necessary wage to have a living wage is £9.75 for those who live in London, the most expensive part of the UK. Our minimum wage for those over 21 only falls short of this by 30 pence. You can live on a minimum wage here, but not in America.
Are you aware this sentence is a contradiction? You can’t be great if your a shithole.
It is not a contradiction if we think of it in terms of relativity. I recognise America is great compared to other nations, just like I realise my shit is a shit, but some of my shits are nicer than others.
Why should America make the switch to public transport?
You're forced in America to have a car. If you don't have a car, you're fucked. Cars are very expensive too. I can just get the tram for free where I live.
I don’t do that. My Chipotle job sucks, but I do it for the money. I’m willing to work harder than most Europeans and this makes Americans grittier.
We just realized we could achieve the same results as you with less effort. It's about smart work, not hard work.
You are lazy if you don’t want to work.
Everyone wants to work if it's a job they enjoy. When it's a job they don't enjoy, it's nothing to do with laziness but passion. I personally am not attached to money; I find it vain. If I don't enjoy money, there's no reason for me to break my back. It has nothing to do with willpower and everything to do with values.
Democracy is forcing me to adopt a homeless person? That is unconstitutional. Goes against the fourth amendment I think.
People could change the constitution if there was a big enough push for it.
A pure democracy is 2 wolves and a sheep voting on who’s for lunch. A Republic is a well armed sheep contesting the vote. Republics are better than democracies.
America is literally a plutocracy. Your politicians get their pockets filled by rich men to do their bidding. I cannot believe lobbying is even legal. I don't know why you think democracies are so bad. If we account for minimum wage workers, your wages should be around the same as most of northern and western Europe. Even then, places like Denmark still earn more than America with all the privileges I spouted.
People who move to America from Europe (i suspect i cant prove it) move to America for its people and cultural dominance not its economic superiority over Europe ( statistically it barely exists if at all). Just like you would probably agree, Japan isn't better than America, but many young Americans have been so in contact with Japanese culture through anime that they view it as a better place to live, not for the economy but for the people and culture.
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@IwantRooseveltagain
I'm very mentally un-well. I'm so mentally unwell i genuinely think the whole world is a clown fest. I think everyone is insane, if im being perfectly honest.
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@TheUnderdog
"America’s median income is also higher than the EU’s; it’s probably higher than even the UKs. People in America are just more hard working than Europeans because Europeans are too lazy."
Americans work more hours. Once more, you have the most billionaires on the planet by far, which raises your medium income substantially. You can literally look at any graph of income inequality and see that America tops the charts in the developed world. You don't even earn more than me if you work a minimum wage in the US, than what i would in the UK! Why do you brag about the fact that Americans work like Africans and barely get any more pay than Europeans? In fact, you don't. I would earn more money than you on a minimum wage in the UK than what you currently do in America! Northern and western EU refugees earn more than you on our minimum wage, while working fewer hours. while getting more vacation time and free healthcare! You're literally coping. You have to catch up, breaking your back with extra hours. It is not a blessing that most people in America cannot choose their holidays; I rarely take vacations because I enjoy my job. It should at least be a choice, though. If you want to be a work dog than do that but don't force that on others.
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Some people want more time with their kids, their families. More time to build a connection with God. Not all of us want to be rich men with fancy cars, hollow hearts and nice watches. Through some people being so wealthy, it literally forces others into being economically deprived. I find it shocking that you say America is economically free. Its truly sad you feel that way when 1 bad decision (like having a child before you're 25) will essentially ensure that you live in economic poverty for the rest of your life, when your brain and decision making isn't even fully developed. Is that really a haven to you?
America is great but its still a shithole! the whole world is a fucking shithole and something needs to be done! stop being complacent thinking America is the ultimate place, like you don't have people born into poverty. Like you don't have people suffering and blowing their goddamn heads off because they hurt so much! Like you don't have people not being able to afford to pay for their cancer treatment. Like people don't work 60 hours a week on two jobs just to survive. Open your eyes, wake up to reality! Escape the matrix.
Our poverty rates are comparable.
Being in poverty is worse in America than in most of Europe. At least I can still go to the dentist.
In America, we do better, mainly because gas here usually sells for under $1.2 a liter. I’m Europe, you couldn’t get gas that cheap.
There is better public transport in Europe. People don't realise how much a car costs.
Why should I sacrifice for strangers? How many kids have you sponsored? If the answer is 0, it’s hypocritical to demand others sacrifice for strangers when you don’t sacrifice with your own funds.
Do you want roads? If it wasn't for taxes, you would have very underdeveloped roads. Roads would only exist in population-dense areas (though private funding). We live in a democracy. You enter into a social contract when you're in a democracy, stating you have your say in how things are run through your votes. If you don't like roads or seatbelts existing, you can support that and try to persuade others to think the same. You live in a society that agrees that people shouldn't be able to frolic naked in the park. If you don't like that, you either have to persuade people to tyranny or live in a different nation with those who agree with you. You happen to live in a society which has agreed (through votes and elections) its worthwhile to have taxes!
Yeah, because Americans don’t subsidize laziness and unproductivity.
If you want to clean the boots of your corp daddies all day, that doesn't mean others should want that. I'm not lazy if I don't want to fill out paper work all day when I could still have a nice life with more holidays. You're complacent. America may be great, but it can be even better.
If you think that’s wrong, adopt a homeless bum from some random country. That’s your right. Just don’t tread on my economic liberty.
Yes, we can. That's what democracy is. If you don't like it, persuade people. If not, you have to leave.
Compared to America, any place is a shithole and in general, American immigrants hate socialism(which is why they move here as opposed to Spain). Also, the term shithole isn’t just for black countries; some whit countries are shitholes too. I’m not racist.Compared to the states of Texas, Florida, Tenessee, and Nevada (America’s freedom outposts), every other state is either a crap place to live or filled with too socialistic income taxes. Make America Texas. Abortion banned and the income tax unconstitutional.
That's a lot of nonsense. In my opinion, America is the greatest nation in the world, but it is not the best. It's not the best in terms of education. It's not the fairest. It is not even the most democratic nation on the planet. There are studies to back this stuff up.
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@AnnaB17
I personally don't dislike makeup on women. I think it can look nice. Overall, I think girls should do what makes them feel the most confident in themselves (to the extent that it is not self-destructive). It's hard for me to describe what I'd like physically as there isn't a set "ideal" for me. What I like physically varies greatly depending on the particular person I'm most interested in at that moment. If she has black hair, I prefer that, if she has brown hair, I prefer that, and so on. Same with most other traits, even my preference for things like weight can vary greatly (up to what I'd consider a reasonable extent). Its important for a woman to feel secure in the way she looks, even if she's chooses to wear makeup.
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Personality wise, I don't have a preference for introverts or extroverts or stuff like that. I care more about the virtues of the heart and their perspectives on the world and themselves. Simply someone who seeks to be as good as they possibly can be. always self-reflective.
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@TheUnderdog
Nothing wrong with that. What matters is per capita wealth. If one person has $1 million and another person has $5 million, that’s better than if they both have $20. But the ladder situation has less income disparities. What matters is per capita income.
Americas per capita wealth is high because of the amount of extremely rich people. The middle class is constantly shrinking in America. There's a whole lot wrong with people becoming super rich as there can only be so much money in the economy at one time. If the money is all concentrated in 1% of peoples hands this means some people are not going to be able to afford basic things. This is bad in Europe but even more so in America. In Europe we do just fine with our per capita wealth. We get a lot more privileges than many Americans in other areas such as public transport (free college and healthcare) things you probably loathe.Most of us enjoy these things, and we see it as worth the increased tax burden.
If every single democrat adopted a homeless person, sponsored a kid in poverty, and put solar panels on their roof, they would be able to end a lot of the problems they bitch about.
Only democrats should care for and look after the homeless? you're essentially saying they should do it themselves. Although i hate political allegiances. I don't consider myself within any part or position. I think its understandable why conservatives are seen as being more ignorant and low IQ.
Western EU has better geography than America; less warm summers and more warm winters. But people still move to America.
It isn't just the weather which matters, but natural resources. Yes, policy effects a country and even if i granted that's the case with cali. That still doesn't deny the fact that geography is literally the only thing setting America apart from Europe.
taxes in the EU are insane. No wonder people perfer the states to the EU. If your a European immigrant to America, just remember your a refugee and not a missionary.
Taxes in the EU are perfectly fine if you're willing to sacrifice some of your wealth for your common man, for your brothers and sisters and to make sure to create the best not just for yourself but others too. Its evident most people in the EU don't dislike this system, as the happiest nations in Europe seem to have rather high taxes....huh, strange. When you're poor in America, its worse than being poor in the EU. When you're rich in America, its better than being rich in the EU. Its that simple.
what's with the refugee comment? Many Americans preach the same stuff. you hold so much pride in your nation to the point you degrade your fellow humans simply for being born in a different nation, like you did just now. Essentially calling Europe a shithole. I loathe those with tribalistic mentalities like the one you just presented, people with the egotistical mindset you show are the reason why the world isn't a haven. I love America and Americans at large.
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@TheUnderdog
"Then we would get robbed a lot. Criminals will have guns and you can’t disarm criminals unless they are in jail (which they can avoid since government police suck)."
Americans rob more than the rest of the world anyways. The problem is not guns but culture. You're just assuming people will steal more without guns.
AR 15s were legalized in 2004 and the mass shooting rate started to skyrocket in 2012. The two aren’t connected.
Its irrelevant how many of these masshootings there has been with this gun, i was point out that when they are used they cause the most deaths.
People are fleeing CA which has some of the best geography in the world.
I was talking about the reason why America as a whole is so economically powerful. Its simply geography. America has statically the most arable and best land on the planet.
The economy is good because of right wing economic policies.
I'm unsure about that. Many European nations (with far more left leaning economies) do just as well as America domestically. The only reason America is so powerful is geography not policy. If the UK was the size of America it would be almost as rich (America still has better land).
The per capita income of the UK is 75% that of America’s.
This is in large part controllable by controlling through income distribution. America has one of the largest income disparities in the developed world. Europeans are also taxed a lot more than Americans (in most nations) this is also in large part why Europeans have more robust social programs and developed public transport systems etc. America has decent policy, but its mostly about the geography as to why its so economically and culturally powerful.
The poor need to get better paying jobs to get more money. They also should spend less. I make minimum wage and I have $24,000 in assets because I invest and don’t spend. If you can’t afford a home, live with your parents if you can. It’s what I do. I’m 20. If your above 25, you should have a job that pays more than minimum wage.If you care so much about poor people, your free to adopt them; that’s your right. Jus don’t force me to pay for it
There's such thing as taking personal responsibility and at the same time creating systemic changes to help people make better personal choices. Some people aren't as smart or educated as you, who may need more of a push through positive systemic changes.
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@sadolite
I have no problem with you holding what is considered a silly (harmful) belief by stoic philosophers and basically all religions on the planet if you want that. When you project what you think is good for yourself onto others and label them with nasty things like "losers" (creating harm and discrimination), all you're really pointing out is how you would view yourself if you were in their shoes. You recognise you would be a loser if you were in a similar spot to them. Such a philosophy is evidently not a tenable one for a serene mind. It is predicated on fear and escape from discomfort. A constant attempt to reinforce some sense of self-identity you believe you should have. You make yourself suffer.
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@sadolite
"If you did nothing with your life until the age of 60, you wasted your life. I'd call that being a loser. The fact that you made some money writing a book at age 60 still doesn't change the fact that you wasted the majority of your life. "
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If we hold true to the axiom that humans should strive for fulfilment, then everything we do should be in search of virtue and fulfilment. I imagine we have radically different perspectives on what makes someone a "good" person or someone who "wasted" their life. I would say a man who spends his life being a slave to outer conditions (materials) has wasted his life. Emotions come from the mind, not a physical possession. This means we can be happy only through fixing our perspective/mindset, not the home itself. You seem like every other man, obsessed with control of life's outer circumstances. Yet every other man holds this view, yet the world is still a shithole. If your philosophy is right, why is it still a shit-place to live?
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You cause massive harm through your belief that those who are non-competitive are wasting their lives. You help people in their search for money, cars, women. Never satisfied, never virtuous, and always in need for more. You seem like an older gentleman. Are you truly fulfilled or do you wish for more money? more love? reading Plato's republic could give you some insight into how wrong you are on what to strive for in life. You're never too old. Only the now exists.
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@oromagi
There is a lot of truth in what you said, but also a lot of miss-information. especially to do with overpopulation. Developed nations like France, Germany, the UK, America, etc. Actually need higher birth-rates to maintain the economy and elderly population. Overpopulation is only a problem when society cannot provide for its people because it is so large. Examples of this are African nations and East Asian ones. Europe actually needs more people to be born. This is in part why there are more and more immigrants in Europe because there aren't enough young people for the workforce.
You spout a very harmful ideology. When you truly have no idea that developed nations need more people. Its poor nations which need to stop having children.
You spout a very harmful ideology. When you truly have no idea that developed nations need more people. Its poor nations which need to stop having children.
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@sadolite
I wouldn't call anyone a superior intellectual to Jordan Peterson. Using the word "intellectual" was a mistake of mine. What I really wanted to express was the word "role model." Men, especially young men, have very limited options for role models, especially good ones. I don't believe Jordan Peterson is a good role model. He's evidently a lost man who has about as much clue to the nature of existence as those who watch him do. I don't think any good role models currently exist, especially for men, but women too.
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It would be odd for me to call someone "more intelligent" than Peterson, due to the fact that Peterson is going to be better at some things. I think an overall wiser and well-versed intellectual than Peterson would be Sam Harris. Despite the fact that he, too, is oblivious to the meaning of life or anything relevant in the grand scheme of things.
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What Peterson's viewers fail to realise in his dating/relationship lectures is the fact that he points to a time in ancient history (most of human history) when 5% percent of men impregnated 14 different women in their lifetime on average. That means the majority of men were literally incels. Peterson claims this is female hypergamy but fails to show that women did so willingly or were not coerced into it through forced marriages/trades or rapes by wealthy, powerful men. Peterson also likes to point out female hypergamy in terms of dating apps. What he doesn't realise is that 80% or more of the people on dating apps are men. This is what allows women to be far more picky, at least in large part. Peterson's work is rife with false correlations and faulty conclusions. I could go on, but I just want to give you a glimpse of why he's overrated.
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Jordan Peterson is a decent psychologist. I think he should try to stay away from politics though. His discussion on "female hyper gamy" also create a lot of incels. He's very overrated as an intellectual. He's simply very poetic in his speech and passionate on the things he says.
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@Danielle
"Trump's minion cult" made me laugh. Amazing joke. Outside of that, everything you said rang true for me. Alex Jones is a man with a horrible moral compass and an evidently deranged mind. I refuse to believe he's simply a manipulator who doesn't believe his own words, as no one with any sense of normative moral code would platform and profess the ideas he does as if they're true unless a part of them believes what they say.
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@Lemming
"The Europeans look to have had their balls cut off after WW2"
I've never felt something ring closer to home than this statement. I hate how pathetic Europe has become, they allow themselves to be bullied and pushed around these days. Thankfully they seem to be growing some balls back again (since they're recovering from WW2 PTSD) and Russia and china are waking them up to the reality we have to grow some balls back if you don't want to be conquered.
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@Lemming
There is no virtue in having a well-adapted form. There is virtue in the effort, discipline, and mindset one has to have to have to create/maintain a good form, is what I'd say. People are naturally biased towards attractive people, yet no one says this discriminatory part of our minds is virtuous or righteous, even if it serves an evolutionary adaptive and helpful purpose. Although, we seem to pretty much agree.
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@TWS1405
"Owing to their use in several high-profile mass shootings, there has been much public discussion over suitability or necessity of assault weapons for the purpose of self-defense. While any definition of assault weapon is contentious, semi-automatic rifles are generally the main focus of debates around this issue. Since 1985 there has been a known total 52 mass shootings involving rifles, mostly semi-automatics. This figure is underreported though, as it excludes the multiple semi-automatic (and fully automatic) rifles used in the 2017 Las Vegas Strip massacre – the worst mass shooting in U.S. history, killing 58 and wounding 546. In fact, semi-automatic rifles were featured in four of the five deadliest mass shootings, being used in the Orlando nightclub massacre, Sandy Hook Elementary massacre and Texas First Baptist Church massacre."
Your source says "MORE mass shootings are carried out with handguns" what i argued is not percentages on which is used more in mass shootings. But 9/10 of the worst are with rifles. Its only time before more psychos catch onto this and start using rifles more and more.
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@Lemming
People may put value into their form, yet they themselves which do that. Wouldn't claim it "virtuous" to do so. Just as a thief may recognise he's a thief, and therefore not virtuous. People like this are those who are like smokers who say they know smoking is bad for them, but continue to do so despite knowing this fact. Many people can know the world with the mind, yet knowing the world with the heart is a different matter. We can know things with the mind and believe them, yet not feel like they're true, and therefore become incapable on acting what we recognise to be the right course of action (like quitting smoking).
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@Lemming
In all the cases you cited, form played a purpose. It could be argued we could put purpose into maintaining/cultivating a certain form. Although I am not arguing that form should take precedence over purpose, I am arguing that form has no virtue in and of itself, but good character does. What i said has little to do with purpose. Why is it that religious people don't believe the body is actually them but simply a vehicle? It seems apparent that, intuitively, we believe we're IN our body, but not necessarily fully the body itself. In this same sense, we intuitively believe and feel that we have free will. Whether the science says this is likely or not is a different matter. I more so prefer to think humans prefer purpose in virtue ( good being/character) as opposed to purpose in form.
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@Lemming
I would say its less arbitrary, yes. Someone's character is far closer to what we identify with the "self" as opposed to our form. People strive for virtue, no one ever really considers beauty in of itself a virtue. This means above all else humans value the contents of our character, our moral beliefs over our form. If we valued form over value we would all decide it worthwhile to commit suicide before old age strikes.
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@Lemming
To judge by the content of someone's character.
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@TWS1405
Sorry, i forgot that you said only rifles (it was awhile ago you made the comment). I don't find it too relevant if AR-15's don't kill that many people. When they are used they kill the most people. If we look to the worst shootings in Americas history almost all of them are using rifles. It may only be time before more psychopaths catch on to this who want to spread havoc and chaos. Not that i believe guns in America should be illegal, i don't. Making guns in America illegal is an impossibility at this point, although i don't find the second amendment very pragmatically useful.
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@TWS1405
It is a lack of culture due to a lack of personal responsibility, accountability, discipline, respect and mental illness.
Where does mental illness come from? you're using circular reasoning. We're agreeing, you're just too stubborn to admit it.
Not my problem if you cannot find the data provided by the FBI through their website. The authors of the article did. Or perhaps it is a measure of laziness since you responded awfully quickly.
Looking at the table. It seems like the article was lying. 600 people died by fist, legs etc. In the year 2020 while 3,000 did by guns. Its actually the same trend all across the board, in all years.
Animals are not murdered. They are killed. Murder is a term relegated to human beings murdering one another.Collecting guns has nothing to do with "some form of killing."Sport shooting has nothing to do with "some form of killing."Competition shooting has nothing to do with "some form of killing."Self-defense doesn't always result in killing and has more to do with a show of force in order to deter from killing.So, no. A weapons "sole purpose" is not "some form of killing."
It doesn't change anything to what i said. Killing is the primary usage of guns then, it changes nothing to the original comment. Guns were also intended for war, with humans. The gun wasn't created to fight animals but man.
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@TWS1405
My friend, everything is either dictated by your environment or your genetics. If people are not irresponsible with guns because of genetics its because of the environment (culture).
I've looked at the source in the article, yet i cant seem to find the information at all on the site.
A gun's primary purpose or usage is not "to murder." Americans use guns for the same reasons the Swedes do. Hunting. Sort Shooting. Collecting. And obviously self-defense. Criminals knowing someone is armed won't criminalize them. Too risky. Gun free zones are a free for all.
Hunting is murdering animals. Regardless, the primary intent of the gun and its sole purpose is some form of killing.
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you're just wrong if America didnt have guns it would give criminals more power, in fact its the opposite. Guns have enabled gangs to be able to combat the police and control neighbourhoods, where in the most places in Europe such a thing is much harder to do. Americans have out of this world crime rates compared to Europe. Evidently (from the statistics) you having a gun doesn't seem to be a big deterrent from someone breaking into your car. Your self-defense argument is redundant if your aggressor has a gun too. At least in a nation where guns are illegal there's less likelihood of EITHER of you dying in the case of a robbery. Therefore you're not more safe with guns if other have guns too.
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@TWS1405
You contradicted yourself about 3 times in this comment.
owhere did I state that more people die from "fist fights than shootings." Strawman argument.In my comment I provided a link that included sources for the data affirming what I said. Here is another one.The primary source is the FBI UCR on homicides, not suicides. Red herring fallacy on that one.
Can you send me a primary source and not an article, please?
Same can be said by suffocation (hanging) and poison too. While guns make it easier, there are a multitude of ways people choose to take their own life. Take away access to one, there are plenty other ways that they will find. Stabbing or cutting. Jumping off a building or cliff. Drowning. What does suicide have to do with the basic argument over "gun control" measures?
How many of them wouldn't of done it without guns? so many of them would of not even tried to kill themselves in the first place if not for the efficiency of a gun.
No, we do not. The problem is a lack of personal responsibility, accountability and discipline when it comes to weapons. You know, all those things that were taught by fathers to their sons, or to young boys and men as a Cub/Boy/Eagle Scout. When you stop teaching these things, what we see today with the gun problems is a result of just that. Not to mention the added issue of mental health which compounds the problem 10 fold.
So a cultural problem? why is it that Americans have a lack of personal accountability and discipline with guns while Swiss don't? genetics? evidently its culture.
A plastic knife can be just as deadly as a spoon when used effectively.Children today should not be around guns until such age they can demonstrate respect for the weapon and personal responsibility with it as well.Parents who buy guns (or help them) for their deranged child are also a part of the problem.
You're correct. I can kill someone with a car, even a plastic bag. The big symmetry breaker between a gun and these utilities is what we would call, "primary usage" the intent, purpose, and function and goal of a gun is simply to murder. There is objective utility and societal viability for plastic bags and cars outside of murder weapons and enjoyment. Guns? not so much.
When I went to high school, we drove trucks with rifles hanging in the back window. We didn't have school shootings. What changed? Liberals giving too much freedom and less personal responsibility upon the individual.
It seems we agree then, that it isn't necessarily the gun which is the issue but the user. Yet Americas gun crazy culture is part of why the gun problem exists.
When I went to high school, we drove trucks with rifles hanging in the back window. We didn't have school shootings. What changed? Liberals giving too much freedom and less personal responsibility upon the individual.
90% if Americans are on edge around cops because they holster guns. When you get pulled over, its daunting enough even in Europe but in America its going to be scarier because of guns.
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@TWS1405
I have no idea where you got the "stats" that more people die in America from fist fights than shootings. Please cite a source. How many people kill themselves with their own fists? And how many people kill themselves with guns that wouldn't have died without access to firearms?
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It's such a shame that hundreds of thousands of Americans kill themselves with guns every year. It's such a shame you're always scared around cops because they holster guns. It's a damn shame that your children have to do drills on how to evacuate in case of a deranged shooter coming to their schools. America has a massive cultural problem when it comes to guns, which only exist in America. If a child cannot handle something responsibility you take it away. Swiss people don't go around killing people with their guns, so there's no reason for there to be discussions on how to supress said guns, unlike America. If a child cannot use a real knife properly to cut their beef, you give them a plastic one.
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@zedvictor4
Something being natural doesn't make it moral. It's natural for male geese to rape female geese to the point where their penis's works like a padlock opener. At best, all you can say is that humans have an innately judgemental attitude towards all things they come across, based on their own arbitrary scales of goodness. Although I disagree, that the natural state of humans is one of such judgemental pose.
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@Bones
Although this can definitely be an element of debate, you must first believe what it is you espouse to wish to ridicule another for their beliefs. Otherwise why else would their beliefs seem silly and laughable to you, unless you thought them faulty? A Nazi may not like black people, but he will be nice and warm towards them if they have common goals (such as the segregation of the black and white communities). In this same sense a conservative may be fine with letting Mexicans in (even if they don't like Mexicans) if Mexicans will support other values they have (such as gun rights and limited government). Outside of that, you're right that most people are far too stubborn to learn anything from a debate, most people never go into them with the intention of learning or growth. That's what separates' the greats (like Socrates) from the fake philosophers (the sophists) who think they know everything.
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I think what you do point out though, is that most people form their beliefs based on some form of social identity, or view politics like a football club, refusing to truly investigate their own beliefs, being satisfied with their own limited narrative and believing them to be universal and absolute (although they do truly believe they're right, they just don't question it enough to realise how inflexible they are).
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The left and right do agree on many issues. There is such a thing as leftist libertarians and right libertarians. Some leftists (like anarchists) like small government or (no government), like conservatives and anarcho-capitalists. Not all Democrats have the same views on when abortion should be made illegal. Not all conservatives believe abortion should be prohibited in all circumstances. A lot of Democrats strongly agree with conservative gun laws. There are many overlaps if you know where to look.
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@NerdWhoDebates
I personally don't mind debating gun rights. I do think Americans should keep their gun rights, but simply because it's impossible to take them away at this point. The culture is a mess. In an ideal world, Americans should not have guns, in my personal opinion.
Banning AR 15s and background checks don’t reduce the homicide rate significantly
Even if we grant such a claim, it still doesn't deny the statistical proof that when AR-15's are used, they break records for the number of people killed. Almost all the worst mass shootings in American history were with AR-15's. It's only a matter of time before others who want to wreck maximum havoc recognise this.
There can at any time be a war between American civilians and foreign countries or even our own government. America is freest when the government is most scared of enacting tyranny. Canada has hard vaccine mandates that cause lots of people to be unemployed. Europe has incredibly high income and VATs that make most people there lower middle class. A government that cares about liberty would privatize lots of things to make an unequal blessing in their country, rather than an equally shared misery. America’s commitment to small government and liberty is why more people (especially from countries that lack liberty) want to move to America than any other country. It’s why more people move to red states than blue states.
I'm sure if you read my comment you already know why this is nonsense. People want to move to America simply because the economy is good. This has little to do with your government, but more so geography. The UK would have an economy as large as the US's if it were the same size, as with most European nations. America has some of the worst income distribution within the developed world, if you're poor in America its worse than being poor in Germany, Scandinavia or the UK simply due to all the robust social services and welfare systems in these nations (something you probably vehemently detest). I would be homeless if i couldn't of claimed welfare, had i been in America, i likely would of ended up homeless.
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I think whether guns should be legal or not is a tricky question. I think it depends a lot on the culture. Switzerland is an example of a nation where guns are OK to be legal. America? Not so much. Guns act as an amplifier for violence. These same people who commit these mass murders with guns may still try to do them anyway, but at least with a knife, not as many people can be harmed as opposed to with a gun.
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The argument that guns are necessary to fight a tyrannical government is outdated and nonsense, contradicted by the very fact that Americans were given guns by the French to fight the British. Not only that, but the current war in Ukraine and the wars in the Middle East show you get guns anyway during war times.
The argument that guns are necessary to fight a tyrannical government is outdated and nonsense, contradicted by the very fact that Americans were given guns by the French to fight the British. Not only that, but the current war in Ukraine and the wars in the Middle East show you get guns anyway during war times.
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From a utilitarian perspective the lives lost through gun violence, suicide and mass shootings outweighs the pros of guns being legal. The only arguable pro is a false sense of security that you can defend yourself, this too is also nullified by the fact others have guns, so do the police. There would be far less problems with the police if they didnt have guns, sadly they have too because citizens do.
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i remembered this song before, and believed it necessary to share. Its unfair for only I and a million others to bask in its goodness when billions exist.
Outside of that, i may of found a way to create analytic a posteriori, something Kant and Hume both not only failed at doing but believed to be impossible.
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America may not be the best nation on the planet, yet I'd say it's the greatest. I say this as a European. Without America, I couldn't imagine what the Soviets would have tried to do after the defeat of the Nazis. They're not perfect, they've made many mistakes, but without them it would be a hell of a lot worse. I'm sure glad it's America which is the strongest nation on the planet with the most control and not the Russians, Chinese, or Japanese. We live in the best possible outcome of WWII.
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@oromagi
Oromami came in with his massive cranium, as expected of one of the smartest people on the planet. Beautifully put, sir. Megamind would feel intimidated if he was your opposition in a debate.
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Life is bountiful and sweet like honey doo.
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These discussions irk me, It hurts my heart to compare humans and value them in such arbitrary judgemental manners.
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@TWS1405
What an interesting individual you are.
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who is being a hypocrite here? I see no one being an apologetic for America's wrong doings in the past. Your whataboutism serves to do nothing but distract from the bad China is currently doing. If America is currently doing bad they will be held to the same standards. Its evident people hold America to a higher standard of conduct than the rest of the world anyways.
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"The United States freed 50 million South Koreans from northern enslavement. This much is self-evident based on what we know about how North Koreans live today, 70 years after the end of the Korean War."
ALL HAIL TO OUR SERVICEMEN OF DEMOCRACY, THE ANGELS OF FREEDOM.
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We don't know when Taiwan doesn't want to stay bondaged on its chair and decides it wants to say out loud its independent. That means America needs to show its support before that time comes.
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Everyone thinks it's a wonderful thing that America and NATO are not letting Russia and China make threats over nothing anymore. Democracy is non-negotiable.
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My most radical opinion, maybe controversial. Is that i believe everyone is God.
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I hope having a "conspiracy theory" section doesn't lead to a legitimate infestation of people believing said conspiracy theories. That being said, its lovely to see things outplay themselves.
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@Swagnarok
I think it's a rather intriguing theory. It's a bit out there though. I see little reason to think people had this different conscious experience, as then it would be safe to say young children who haven't been very socialised should have this same experience. Which they clearly do not.
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People were just more superstitious in the past.
I believe it is much more pragmatic and likely to say that the lack of philosophers or written works from that time was simply due to a lack of technology (no paper) and simply too much time has passed for everything to be preserved in an easily identifiable manner today.
I believe it is much more pragmatic and likely to say that the lack of philosophers or written works from that time was simply due to a lack of technology (no paper) and simply too much time has passed for everything to be preserved in an easily identifiable manner today.
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@zedvictor4
Not if we get rid of genetic conditions. In theory it would be fine to inbreed if not for the fact you share the same copies where you may now not have a defence from genetic conditions. If we got rid of the said genetic conditions, even clones made from other clones would be perfectly healthy and functional. Why is it that people with dark eyes (having the same eye colour genes) do not constantly produce blind children, or blue-eyed people having children with others with blue eyes?
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