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So, you spin a myth and we're supposed to refute the spin or the myth? Lol.
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Hahahahahahaha!! Now that's what I call throwing reason, rationale and logic right out the window.Alien demigods working with the human or superhuman beings back then wuo may have been dinosaur like and gained the capacity to morph
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@ethang5
Sure, but goldy was not asked for a consensus, he was asked for his own minimum criteria. He couldn't say.
I'm not sure why Ethan is compelled to lie about this, but based on his past posts here and on ddo, it's quite a common tactic with him.
At the very least, the Gentle Reader will comprehend my answers and will probably also wonder why Ethan is compelled to lie.
Of course, he believes he has "THE" definition of God, so he says, but we are yet to see that. He'll just on complaining his questions don't get answered.
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@ethang5
No, I just read the words that are there, in the Bible, you should try reading that book sometime.
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@ethang5
God's anger and jealousy is not like its human counter part. Why would one assume it was?
Try reading the Bible, the answers are there.
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@Castin
You're absolutely right, how can an omnipotent, omniscient God be jealous? Makes no sense.
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@ethang5
I can see that no matter how many times I repeat the answer, it's not being comprehended.We are asking what you mean
When you can't or won't answer a question
Yes, I answered the question, repeatedly. No need to lie about it simply because you can't comprehend the answer. Not my fault.
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@Vader
Trending is subjective, sales are objective.
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And that makes all the difference in the world. Lol.The fact you say he
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I'm not bullying anyone, this is a forum, I have no contact with anyone other than the written word.you wouldn't be laughing or bullying.
I am laughing at the clowns because they are acting like clowns.
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I notice you didn't watch the video from your reply.
I've seen them before. They are painful to watch because the people making them are so stupid.
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@Vader
Thank you for making my point.Billboard measures the Trending songs, not the sales
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Flat earthers don't know how to explain their irrational beliefs, so they lead with an onslaught of youtube videos from other flat earthers who pretend to do experiments. Take the clown in the second link attempting to do an experiment on a tennis court that is somehow supposed to represent the distances required to observe curvature on the earth. We hope the youtuber gets the necessary professional help he so sorely needs. He does however represent the usual level of intellectual prowess other flat earth youtubers exhibit.
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@Vader
Putting raw talent aside, which the Beatles had far and above Drake.
The Beatles success was built on selling records, which needed to be produced and distributed in a time when record production was not yet a huge industry. Nowadays, there is the internet, streaming, Mp3 players and all sorts of easy access to any kind of music. The Beatles made their success without all of this technology at their fingertips. Drake wouldn't come close to the success of the Beatles if he had to sell records.
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@ethang5
I'll repeat this yet again because it seems you have yet to comprehend it. There are hundreds of entities that have been referred to as "God" throughout history. If the person were a Christian, I would assume he referred to Christ as God, a Muslim to Allah, a Norwegian to Thor. Whatever the case, the term God has been referred to in a number of ways. I don't think I can make this any clearer and hope not to have to repeat myself.I am asking what you mean when you say "God"
Only the deranged or the dishonest deliberately use words whose meanings they do not know.
I'm sure that will come back to you some time soon. But, whats puzzling is you said this...
I know, and can define, the words I use.
But, first you said this...
What I believe is immaterial.
So, should I care that you can define the words you use and that your argument is meaningless?
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@PGA2.0
It is a fact that humans are a collection of cells and a biological growth, a simple fact of nature.When you use terms like a collection of cells or a biological growth you devalue and degrade the human being to something that is disposable.
YOUR religion considers humans inherently evil sinners, nothing could be further from the truth or more degrading than that. Best look to your own backyard when it comes to human degradation and lack of value where it flourishes.
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@PGA2.0
You understand the world around you as you funnel it through the sieve of your basic beliefs.
Wrong again, I accept the world around me for what it is and how it affects me. I don't decide to change it to suit my beliefs, which is what religions do.
Produce the law of identity physically. You can't because it is an abstract thought
And that's all that God is, an abstract thought. Thank you for making that comparison.
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@ethang5
I at least can define what I mean when I say God. You either cannot, or will not.That is intellectual dishonesty.
I'm sure you could come up with hundreds of sources with definitions for hundreds of different gods, just like me or anyone else.
But, if you actually believe that you have "THE" definition of God, then that would indeed be intellectually dishonest.
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@ethang5
We need not go further than this as it shows your ignorance of other religions.All are the same.
We have supplied one. You didn't like it.
One is one of many. No one said anything about not liking it.
Is it any wonder you can't figure out a definition?
Is it any wonder you're ignorant of other religions definitions?
The atheist is not talking about a singularity, but an incoherent multiplicity of "gods"
That's because there are a multiplicity of gods with a wide variety of definitions, not just one.
Can't you just smell the intellectual honesty?
Yes, just not from you.
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@keithprosser
Yes, they are taught we are inherently evil. Yet, theists themselves evolved over time allowing their previous set of morals (Old Testament - eye for an eye) to be replaced with different morals (New Testament - forgive your enemies), the result of living together in socieites over time to find vengeance doesn't work. Again, they just don't want to admit it.
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@janesix
Or more likely, the theist believes his sense of right and wrong comes from God when in fact it comes from the same place as everyone else, which is from people who live together in societies and working it out through trial and error. Theists just don't want to accept that fact.
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@Vader
Researchers have found that people with psychopathic traits prefer listening to rap music.
While the findings are yet to be published, the researchers even go far as to suggest that rap songs could be used to help predict the disorder in the future.
While the findings are yet to be published, the researchers even go far as to suggest that rap songs could be used to help predict the disorder in the future.
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@ethang5
Which theistic meaning? The Christian, Islamic, Greek, Roman...? There are so many theistic meanings to God, you have to provide the correct one, which of course you nor anyone else would actually know.If the atheist is going to use the theist's meaning, then they must accept the theistic meaning.
So atheist, why do you call Him God?
That's the name given to all invisible super beings that have never been shown to exist.
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catchy and flows, think of rhymes, then rap to that beat takes some skill too.
No, it doesn't take very much skill at all to do that.
with rapping, beat and flow matter to how it goes with as it is normal talking
Yes, Rap is all about drum machines and sh!t talk. It's for folks who have no taste in music whatsoever.
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@Vader
THat's a joke, right? One of my many guitars is worth over $3K and I have several, not to mention the drums, bass and other instruments I own and play. I could learn how to program a drum machine in a couple of days easily and make similar tracks to any rap song. If you actually believe learning how to play an instrument is even remotely similar, then you really have no clue.
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@Vader
Popular music does not mean it's quality music. The Beatles could actually play instruments as opposed to sitting around pressing buttons on a drum machine and then filming women twerking to it.
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@Vader
It's funny how they compare a band with talented song writers to a guy with a drum machine surrounded by women shaking their butts in the air.
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@YeshuaBought
If you're an American and you voted Trump, then you have only yourself to blame for losing y our healthcare.
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@mustardness
Take your crap elsewhere, ebuc.
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@Tradesecret
Evolution is about change, hence a living organism passes on it's genes and then dies. If organisms never died, there would be no change, no evolution of species. Evolution does not make living things die, it is a result of the organisms death once it passes on its genes.What is the evolutionary point behind death?
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@mustardness
Please don't spam this thread with your garbage.
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That's because you're incapable of proving any of it and you know it. You're just trolling again.I don't need to do anything and I have very little motive to prove any of it
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@PGA2.0
Such a Being has never been shown to exist nor is there any evidence to suggest. That is pure fantasy, a child's fable.Yes, one is reasonable because it derives from a meaningful and reasonable mindful, intelligent, logical omniscient Being.
You keep talking about truths but never present any.hy are you looking for truth in a universe that has no regard for the truth? Why do you keep discovering truths?Yes, the truth comes from a state of mind, a necessary state of Mind. That is not your mind or my mind
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@PGA2.0
Mine is built upon God's word and what I see of the world in relation to His word. Thus we have different starting points/ideas.
Mine is based on reality and an understanding of the world around us while yours is based on the words of ignorant goat herders who lived centuries ago. You're living in the past with myths and superstitions.
There are some things that are self-evident truths
In reality, yes. In your worldview, no.
yet hard to prove from an empirical standpoint because they are abstract or non-physical in their nature
Which is the exact same thing as non-existent.
My knowledge is micro-thin. But I don't have to make sense of everything.
Your knowledge is literally non-existent and you have yet to make sense of anything.
The biblical God tells those who believe in Him to worship with both minds and bodies.
Nope, you're listening to the words of ignorant men who lived centuries ago and knew nothing but myths and superstitions.
Scientists usually specialize in one field. Their knowledge is very limited too, even in their specialized field of study.
Strawman, there are many fields of science and millions of scientists studying them. Totally irrelevant comment.
ignorant goatherders, steeped in myth, magic, sexist, racist, homophobic, xenophobic, etc - without knowledge. It is a form of discrimination.
It's your worldview, dude. That's the disgusting religion you have chosen to follow. Deal with it.
they can be marginalized and isolated so their views become worthless to society at large.
Your worldview IS worthless to society at large and in fact does more harm than good. It's already destroyed your mind.
We are constantly painted this way
Wrong, you constantly exhibit that behavior and worldview, you bring it all on yourself.
Why do you find meaning from a meaningless universe? Why should you? You have reason yet the universe doesn't. How can reason come from the void? So far you have only assumed it can. How can consciousness come from such a universe? How can life come from the non-living? How does intent come from the unintentional?
If you had some knowledge and understanding of the world around you, you'd find answers for those questions yourself. For example, reason does not come from the void, it comes from the brain. You don't use your brains, though, hence you can't reason.
I claim it is you who is denying reality.
Then, you don't even know what reality is, you're so far gone into your delusion, you've divorced yourself from reality.
You don't know God
And, I repeat again, I know exactly the same as you because we both have access to the Bible. So you can stop saying that anytime as it's an irrelevant comment.
You just assume you can because you borrow from my Christian worldview that believes there is sense to be made for it because it comes from the MIND of God.
Lol. Not even remotely. Your arguments are getting weaker and weaker and now hinge on pure baloney and fabrications on your part.
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@PGA2.0
We all start with foundational beliefs that everything else is built upon.
Foundations are not built on beliefs, they are built on the natural world around us, which is why we have science, to help us learn and understand our world and how it affects us.
I presuppose God as the reason and can make sense of origins.
No, you don't presuppose anything, it's all written down for you by people who had no clue of the world around, who were steeped in myths and superstitions, believed magic existed and had no concept of how to gain knowledge or what to do with it. It's how people lived and behaved centuries ago, not today.
There is no sense to be made from a mindless universe.
The universe is mindless, its not a giant brain. Its made of dust and gas and many other compounds, none of them with brains.
That is not a comfortable thought.
That's the difference, you don't like the way reality really is, its not a comfortable thought so you deny and reject it for myths and superstitions that give you warm and fuzzies all over. Thats how cowards operate.
If that is what you want to rest your belief on then so be it.
Reality is not a belief and I have no choice but to accept and deal with it like everyone else in the world, you included. If you were honest with yourself, you too would not hide under the covers of irrational beliefs.
Is it reasonable to believe in God? What are the choices?1) An infinite universe?2) A created universe?3) A chance universe?4) it's all an illusion?5) I don't care?What is reasonable of these five?
None of them are reasonable because they did not originate from a reasonable mind that understand the world him therefore can reason relative and reasonable alternatives based on evidence and observation, not myth and superstition.
Without God, it's all relative and subjective and you will never find the ultimate truth because the universe has no truth to it. Truth only comes from a state of mind discovering God's thoughts after Him, IMO.
Complete rubbish.
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@IlDiavolo
Thank you for confirming your original comment was that of a troll trying to create unnecessary conflict.Since atheism is a religionStrickly speaking atheism is not a religion of course
My point is that atheism and religions share a lot of elements that make them fall into the same category. Just look at how atheists stand up for their believes, the belief that there is no God.
And, you further add comments that show you're still trolling. Atheists don't stand up for their beliefs because they have no religious beliefs, atheism is a lack of religious beliefs. So, it would show that you either have looked up the definition of atheism and are trolling or you refused to look up the definition in order to continue trolling.
But atheists, Jesus Christ, they are worst than muslims.
That definitely is a troll comment. How very Christian of you.
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@IlDiavolo
Troll? Look who is talking. Lol.
You are the one who is taking a known term, "Atheism" and calling it a religion when clearly that is the exact opposite of the definition, and you are doing so deliberately in order to get a rise of out me, hence you are the one being the troll.
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@PGA2.0
Once again, the Bible was written by men who never witnessed creation. Anything they came up with has to assumed to be from their own deluded minds.The Bible is observable and readable. From it, you are told of God's dealings with humanity from creation.
For instance, how does consciousness come from non-cognitive, mindless unsentient matter?How can you get morality from subjective, limited human beings - relativism?What is the truth about the origins of the universe? Which scientific view is true to what is?How do you know what you know regarding these things?
Consciousness is a product of the brain, which has evolved over many millions of years. Humans are not the only animal with consciousness.
Morality comes from trial and error, people living together and societies building over time. They find out what works and what doesn't.
The origins of the universe are being studied by scientists who still have a lot of work to do. Unfortunately, so many centuries of religious mindsets in humans has stifled and oppressed the thinking mind.
We know from evidence these things, something your religious beliefs lack.
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@IlDiavolo
Obviously, by saying I'm religious you have no concept of atheism. Or, are you just being a troll?I do.
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@IlDiavolo
Oh I see, you actually don't know anything more about God than anyone else, which makes your comment look utterly foolish. Well done. That was a good chuckle.
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@IlDiavolo
It would appear you don't know the meaning of the word "Atheist", you should probably look it up so as to not sound so foolish.atheists are religious
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@Grugore
sane mind
You have hit the proverbial nail on the head. This is something lacking with flat earth proponents.
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The truth is men were designed to dominate women and women were designed to enjoy being fought over by men
Yes, that is termed, "Misogyny" a common trait among the religious who have yet to evolve past the Bronze age.
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@ethang5
Notice he disappeared when challenged to show his skills.
Showing videos of my band would no longer make me anonymous here. Duh.
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This is not a thing, it's a fabrication. Flat earth proponents are forced to make up all kinds of ridiculous nonsense in order to feed their delusions. Sane optometrists would laugh at this.The issue is a visual phenomenon known as refraction of eyesight. ask any optometrist,
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Another troll comment. It's funny how you cry about being bullied but you have no problem being a troll.What you see is as relevant to what is true as whether or not Obama ate Mayonnaise on his sandwich this morning is relevant to Trump being President or not.
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@Mopac
So, you teach discrepancies, lead discrepancy studies and read discrepancies every day.I'm not going to say there aren't discrepanciesI do teach the bible, I lead bible studies, and I read the bible everyday.
I also might be taking my education in these matters for granted.
Yes, everything you teach and know could be wrong and most likely is.
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@Mopac
About 1.3 million species have been identified and described, it's estimated another 7 million still have yet to be identified.The animals had been formed already, they were brought to Adam to be named.
At about 3 minutes per species and Adam putting in a full 8 hour day, it would take him over 22 years to name the current list or 110 years to name them all.
So, God created all of these species but never gave them a name? Why would he not do that and have Adam sitting around for years just naming animals? How did all the sea creatures get named? Did Adam have a divers certificate and swam the oceans naming them?
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